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Old 10-25-2012, 06:29 PM   #1
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Dog debarking policy at AVMA raises activists' howls of protest - Vitals
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:53 AM   #2
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I take issue with the article saying that it helps lazy pet owners, I have been faced twice with dogs that barked excessively and often. I tried every method but a bark collar to cure them but nothing worked. 22 years ago I had it done to my first yorkie Reggie. I am not sure I would do it again because the recovery was harder on him than I thought it would be, but in hindsight I don't think the vet gave us enough sedation or pain killers. In well under two weeks he was back to his old self, barking at everything just with not as much volume. After about a week he had no pain and no problem with food for the rest of his life. Yes the bark sounded raspy and yes some people thought it sounded a little like choking, but the sound was not an indication of pain, if your dog is in pain you tend to notice, so that is why I can say once recovered he was not in any. I am not sure if all debarking is done the same, but from what I was told, they took a biopsy size hole in their vocal cords, that is why in time it can come back because it starts to close up.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:22 AM   #3
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Donna, I rarely hold extremist views on any area of life. It concerns me that there are so many examples of organizations and governments, that try to over-regulate the healt h care and other important industries.

Again on this one, I feel that it is only fair and prudent for the veterinarian to make the decision along with the pet owner, if this operation at this point in time, is the last way to go.

Undoubtedly there are folks, (unlike yourself), who have not exhausted all other training options. But surely there are other ways to go than an outright ban!

I also disagree that it is never medically necessary to remove or excise vocal cords. How about tumours on the cords????
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that's how I feel, I am not sure I would ever do it again, but I still don't like them to be able to have an outright ban against it.
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I just went back and listened to the video, Reggie never had any of the health problems that they spoke about, I don't know if I was lucky or if they are overstating the facts to prove a point. I do agree that it does cause discomfort for about a week if not given enough pain meds, and it would be something that should be done under the most extreme circumstances like having to give up your pet because you are unable to move into a place where barking is not heard.
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I dont like the debarking procedure however I realize even though I dont undersstand it fully there may be situations where it is a necessity so I dont think it should be banned
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I lived next to 2 of the worst barkers there are for 4 years, Corgis who wanted to herd everyone and every thing but since they were stuck in a yard, they tried to do it with their vocalizing. It was terrible! It was nonstop & it went on for hours at a time, literally, with only slight relief and when it was quiet, you were waiting for the inevitable. The harassing noise was so loud and constant, it got abusive. I had to sleep on the couch in the den many nights to get some rest, though it wasn't that much relief as they were still very easily heard.

But when it came down to it and she had to, the owner found a way to stop their excessive barking and taught them both another, better way. Now they bark like regular dogs and stop within a reasonable time - or the owner stops them. I simply don't condone putting an animal under anesthesia and performing a procedure on its vocal cords to correct a behavior problem. If it is done for a medical reason or something other than behavior-related barking, that is different. But to subject an animal to potentially losing its voice, having a lifelong scarred & potentially painful, problematic vocal cord & subsequent problems mentioned in that article and elsewhere because it barks too much seems barbaric to me. I wouldn't even wish it on those two Corgis during their barking orgies.

Hearing some of the surgically altered dogs barked their choked, raspy, painful sound is awful to listen to for me! I can't stand to hear the little things. I can't imagine what that feels like to try to do. There are just too many other ways to deal successfully with barking than surgical, lifelong alteration and the potential problems to me. I have often wondered if a dog like Tibbe, who expresses himself so readily & freely(and thank goodness for it when a stranger is standing on the porch at night or when I'm gone or something!), wouldn't be psychologically affected somehow if he couldn't bark out his alarm and communicate freely and normally as a dog but could only choke out a chortle. I think it could very easily change him in some basic way.
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Rather than outlawing it, I wish activists would help pass a law saying that only a vet could do it and outlaw certain procedures especially with no anesthesia. Too many puppy mills are doing this procedure by ramming a rod down a dog’s throat, this is what should be stopped, not the pet owner who either has to have this done or give up her beloved pet. By the way, I do think every attempt at training should be tried first.
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the flip side to the coin, like with abortions you outlaw it and somepeople will still find a way of getting it done........... such mixed emotions for me, not sure what I would do.

Jeannie, BTW how did your neighbor fix her dog's barking problem?
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But when it came down to it and she had to, the owner found a way to stop their excessive barking and taught them both another, better way. Now they bark like regular dogs and stop within a reasonable time - or the owner stops them. I simply don't condone putting an animal under anesthesia and performing a procedure on its vocal cords to correct a behavior problem. If it is done for a medical reason or something other than behavior-related barking, that is different. But to subject an animal to potentially losing its voice, having a lifelong scarred & potentially painful, problematic vocal cord & subsequent problems mentioned in that article and elsewhere because it barks too much seems barbaric to me. I wouldn't even wish it on those two Corgis during their barking orgies.

Hearing some of the surgically altered dogs barked their choked, raspy, painful sound is awful to listen to for me! I can't stand to hear the little things. I can't imagine what that feels like to try to do. There are just too many other ways to deal successfully with barking than surgical, lifelong alteration and the potential problems to me. I have often wondered if a dog like Tibbe, who expresses himself so readily & freely(and thank goodness for it when a stranger is standing on the porch at night or when I'm gone or something!), wouldn't be psychologically affected somehow if he couldn't bark out his alarm and communicate freely and normally as a dog but could only choke out a chortle. I think it could very easily change him in some basic way.

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Is it my right to tell others what to do with their pet.. NO... just like it is not anybody's right to tell me what I can do with my body!!

But do I find it sick and morbid... HELL YES.. what's next your 5 year old child ask too many WHY'S so you have the surgy done to him too???
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Debarking doesn't help the dog with the reason he was barking in the first place - usually boredom/lack of socialization, loneliness/separation anxiety or OCD/habit. It likely just frustrates him all the more. Now he's still in the situation and can only croak sometimes.
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De barking is a lazy pet owners way of dealing with barking many times. There are so many irresponsible pet owners in this country that it amazes me. I suppose there are a few very hard cases that cannot be trained but that is very abnormal. The reality is that most pet owners do not even teach their dogs to sit much less not to bark.

I don't believe a ban is the answer though. I don't believe a ban on tail docking is the answer either. I dread the day when the government is so involved in our lives that they are regulating what procedures we can have done on our pets.
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