World's Tiniest Terrier

[pinkpatty]

From looking at the picture of the little girl, I do not believe this puppy will live to be 12 months old. The head is way out of proportion to the body. In my opinion this is cruelty to animals at its worst. All this for 15 minutes of fame. Shame on them.

[Christinee]

Poor little baby. Her head is bigger than her body.

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Imagine, now we have people being openly rewarded for disgusting breeding practices. How sick.

I agree, and it happens every day in the dog show world. Look at double merles being produced to breed all merle liters, with each dog having a 1 in 4 chance of being defective. But they produce show winners, so it's all good.
Look at the Great Danes Clubs Code of Ethics. Oh look, they allow Harlequin to Harlequin breeding. This is the dane club code of ETHICS. Let me explain, if you didn't know. A harlequin is a MERLE. So merle to merle breedings are promoted by the Grate Dane Club. Harlequin is a second LETHAL gene that is only visible on merles. When a dog embryo gets two harlequin genes, it dies. Top Harlequin breeders are breeding together dogs that have two semi lethal genes, and being rewarded for it.
They then adopt out their defective blind and deaf dogs to people who feel good about their rescue of a dog that should have never been born in the first place had the breeder been a decent person, and boast that their blind and deaf dog is from champion bloodlines as if the dog cares.
Along those same lines, boxers typically don't win in the show ring unless they're flashy with a lot of chrome. Thing is, you breed two flashy dogs together, you have another 1:4 chance of a white boxer.. who typically is deaf. Not always, admittedly, but hey, can't let a white potentially deaf dog get in the way of "right marked" flashy dogs being born to get those ribbons.
Oh, and shall we talk about some of the grossly malformed dogs being produced by show breeders who are then rewarded for their efforts? GSDs are now a joke with their broke back frog hopping walk, English Bulldogs can't breathe, can't breed, Neapolitan Mastiffs that look like they're the amazing melting dog, Pugs with their double screw tail caused by hemivertebrae, which can also cause paralysis. But that double screw tail is soo prized, that even though there's no way to be sure that the hemivertebrae is going to present in the correct place, it's STILL bred for.
Yes I agree, it's VERY sick and disgusting that people are openly being rewarded for poor breeding practices. But I'm not going to throw stones, because none of us knows the circumstances under which this puppy was born and bred.
But we know the circumstances under which a number of top show dogs are being born and yet people pretend it's not happening, or if you're a top breeder and have X number of years breeding, somehow you are exempt from the laws of averages, and it's OK for you to make a litter in which you know a number of puppies have a chance to be born defective.
And these people are being rewarded every day with praises and accolades from their show circles, from other breeders, from their club and by the AKC. Imagine that.

[pinkpatty]

Belle Noir you said it best and the real truth. I applaud your honesty and willingness to say the truth. What is the dog world coming too? I guess it is like everything else in todays world, money talks. When greed rears its head all else is lost.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

I agree, and it happens every day in the dog show world. Look at double merles being produced to breed all merle liters, with each dog having a 1 in 4 chance of being defective. But they produce show winners, so it's all good.
Look at the Great Danes Clubs Code of Ethics. Oh look, they allow Harlequin to Harlequin breeding. This is the dane club code of ETHICS. Let me explain, if you didn't know. A harlequin is a MERLE. So merle to merle breedings are promoted by the Grate Dane Club. Harlequin is a second LETHAL gene that is only visible on merles. When a dog embryo gets two harlequin genes, it dies. Top Harlequin breeders are breeding together dogs that have two semi lethal genes, and being rewarded for it.
They then adopt out their defective blind and deaf dogs to people who feel good about their rescue of a dog that should have never been born in the first place had the breeder been a decent person, and boast that their blind and deaf dog is from champion bloodlines as if the dog cares.
Along those same lines, boxers typically don't win in the show ring unless they're flashy with a lot of chrome. Thing is, you breed two flashy dogs together, you have another 1:4 chance of a white boxer.. who typically is deaf. Not always, admittedly, but hey, can't let a white potentially deaf dog get in the way of "right marked" flashy dogs being born to get those ribbons.
Oh, and shall we talk about some of the grossly malformed dogs being produced by show breeders who are then rewarded for their efforts? GSDs are now a joke with their broke back frog hopping walk, English Bulldogs can't breathe, can't breed, Neapolitan Mastiffs that look like they're the amazing melting dog, Pugs with their double screw tail caused by hemivertebrae, which can also cause paralysis. But that double screw tail is soo prized, that even though there's no way to be sure that the hemivertebrae is going to present in the correct place, it's STILL bred for.
Yes I agree, it's VERY sick and disgusting that people are openly being rewarded for poor breeding practices. But I'm not going to throw stones, because none of us knows the circumstances under which this puppy was born and bred.
But we know the circumstances under which a number of top show dogs are being born and yet people pretend it's not happening, or if you're a top breeder and have X number of years breeding, somehow you are exempt from the laws of averages, and it's OK for you to make a litter in which you know a number of puppies have a chance to be born defective.
And these people are being rewarded every day with praises and accolades from their show circles, from other breeders, from their club and by the AKC. Imagine that.

Several years back I bred/showed Himalayan Cats. They were beautiful but I had to get out of the business. Everyone was going toward more and more extreme looks in the various breeds. They ruined the Siamese by breeding toward a triangular head. They were allowing "new breeds" that were actually the result of mutations. So many beautiful breeds were being ruined by this "extreme" breeding not to mention the other bad breeding practices. When they decided the Himalayan and Persian breeds needed to have the "no nose" look to win I said I was out of there. The poor cats they put in the ring that won ended up with terrible respiratory problems. The cat show world had become a show case for so many "freakish" looks. It was very sad.
It sounds as though the same mania for different looks is happening in the dog show world. I know they have given the Collie some very serious issues by giving it such an angular pointed head. Sad, sad, sad.
But most of these tiny dogs are coming from an entirely different market. The breeders of these tinies are not show breeders. They are simply people trying to cash in on the fashionable trend of having a little dog that you can stick in a bag and show off with. If the Hollywood set would like a new cause to preach about they might stop shoving their little puppies into their bags for a photo op.

[Verbena]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Several years back I bred/showed Himalayan Cats. They were beautiful but I had to get out of the business. Everyone was going toward more and more extreme looks in the various breeds. They ruined the Siamese by breeding toward a triangular head. They were allowing "new breeds" that were actually the result of mutations. So many beautiful breeds were being ruined by this "extreme" breeding not to mention the other bad breeding practices. When they decided the Himalayan and Persian breeds needed to have the "no nose" look to win I said I was out of there. The poor cats they put in the ring that won ended up with terrible respiratory problems. The cat show world had become a show case for so many "freakish" looks. It was very sad.
It sounds as though the same mania for different looks is happening in the dog show world. I know they have given the Collie some very serious issues by giving it such an angular pointed head. Sad, sad, sad.
But most of these tiny dogs are coming from an entirely different market. The breeders of these tinies are not show breeders. They are simply people trying to cash in on the fashionable trend of having a little dog that you can stick in a bag and show off with. If the Hollywood set would like a new cause to preach about they might stop shoving their little puppies into their bags for a photo op.

I so agree. The Siamese you have to look for and apple head Siamese to find a "original" looking one.

I agree the hollywood set is really messing with the breeds. These poor dogs don't have a chance. I wish they would come out and speak up. But that will never happen. These dogs are just assesories.

[CouversMom]

That poor little thing... She will be lucky if she lives to be one I would be scared of her getting squished! She's the size of a mouse!

[katy-yorkie]

She's cute but too small. I have to be careful enough as it is that I don't step on Buster, he's hot on my heels where ever I go.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

I agree, and it happens every day in the dog show world. Look at double merles being produced to breed all merle liters, with each dog having a 1 in 4 chance of being defective. But they produce show winners, so it's all good.
Look at the Great Danes Clubs Code of Ethics. Oh look, they allow Harlequin to Harlequin breeding. This is the dane club code of ETHICS. Let me explain, if you didn't know. A harlequin is a MERLE. So merle to merle breedings are promoted by the Grate Dane Club. Harlequin is a second LETHAL gene that is only visible on merles. When a dog embryo gets two harlequin genes, it dies. Top Harlequin breeders are breeding together dogs that have two semi lethal genes, and being rewarded for it.
They then adopt out their defective blind and deaf dogs to people who feel good about their rescue of a dog that should have never been born in the first place had the breeder been a decent person, and boast that their blind and deaf dog is from champion bloodlines as if the dog cares.
Along those same lines, boxers typically don't win in the show ring unless they're flashy with a lot of chrome. Thing is, you breed two flashy dogs together, you have another 1:4 chance of a white boxer.. who typically is deaf. Not always, admittedly, but hey, can't let a white potentially deaf dog get in the way of "right marked" flashy dogs being born to get those ribbons.
Oh, and shall we talk about some of the grossly malformed dogs being produced by show breeders who are then rewarded for their efforts? GSDs are now a joke with their broke back frog hopping walk, English Bulldogs can't breathe, can't breed, Neapolitan Mastiffs that look like they're the amazing melting dog, Pugs with their double screw tail caused by hemivertebrae, which can also cause paralysis. But that double screw tail is soo prized, that even though there's no way to be sure that the hemivertebrae is going to present in the correct place, it's STILL bred for.
Yes I agree, it's VERY sick and disgusting that people are openly being rewarded for poor breeding practices. But I'm not going to throw stones, because none of us knows the circumstances under which this puppy was born and bred.
But we know the circumstances under which a number of top show dogs are being born and yet people pretend it's not happening, or if you're a top breeder and have X number of years breeding, somehow you are exempt from the laws of averages, and it's OK for you to make a litter in which you know a number of puppies have a chance to be born defective.
And these people are being rewarded every day with praises and accolades from their show circles, from other breeders, from their club and by the AKC. Imagine that.

You make a lot of good points and a breed club actually promoting that type of irresponsible breeding is horrendous. Breed clubs are supposed to protect the breed and NEVER change standard in order to provide more variety or follow the latest trend. I appreciate the fact that the YTCA seems like a good breed club and that they have learned from other clubs that change standard haphazardly to avoid conflict. There is nothing about the "written standard" that is assoicated with health problems. The Great Danes breed club will ruin it for all breeders if this continues. Animal activists use these examples of negligence and irresponsibility to enact and pass laws.

[SWHouston]

I've got to admit, I must be crazy or bi-polar or something.

I'm one of the sites strongest advocates against down size-breeding, but...

I would LOVE to have that little tike, but, I KNOW what pain it would be to see it deteriorating and die because of it's size. Such a paradox.

[Wylie's Mom]

I hope this precious one lives a long happy healthy life .

[Belle Noir]

I used to have traditional persians, and I still think they're one of the most beautiful cat breeds.

I worry that the yorkie MIGHT start going braciocephalic, as more and more are breeding for a short muzzle. As a whole that look is becoming quite popular and so more people are breeding for that look. Then with the popular sire syndrome, it's possible that in 20 years, 30 years, yorkies will have some of the same breathing issues due to having such a short muzzle as the persian.. or the pug, or peke...

This is why it is up to the real breeders to NOT get caught up by fads, and breed for something because it's winning. And it's up to the long time breeders to hold true to their standards of breeding and insure that they mentor people who are not susceptible to fads of fashion, thereby keeping the bred true.

I truly hope that puppy was not actually bred to be that small. I hope that she is just an unfortunate sport. It can indeed happen as we all should well know. Since I don't know this person and what they produce, I am going to take the high road and assume that the poor tiny hairy mouse just got all the dwarfism genes.

Just so you all know, I joke that the dogs are "haiwy wats" aka hairy rats. That teeny thing can only dream of being a hairy rat, hence, she is a hairy mouse. This is true because my daughter said so, lol.

One of the reasons I love the yorkie is as a whole it IS a healthy breed. Most of the health issues the breed seems to have is less genetic in that it can be bred out, or bred around, and more to do with the genetics of being small. This is why so many toy breeds share these same issues. Since the standards will remain under 7 lbs, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see the end to these issues within the breed.

Gracielove, it's a shame you stopped breeding those cats. This is what I mean about fads ruining breeds and the old guard NEEDING to stand up for their animals. How did breeding peke faced persians and Himies "improve" the breed?
It DIDN'T. These cats have a greater problem with upper respiratory infections, they get eye infections with greater frequency, more allergies it seems. They have great tooth and mouth issues, including mouth cancers, and because their mouths are now crowded... These show breeders, these guardians of their breed have made their breed into a monstrosity. And while doing so, they chased you, and likely others like you out.
Then again, had you kept your cats, and continued to breed them, likely they would say of you. Oh she's just a back yard breeder. She doesn't show her cats. Since she doesn't show her cats, and her cats aren't being bred to standard, OBVIOUSLY she's just in it for the money.

So.. I guess I don't blame you for getting out of cats. Having to deal with something like that on a daily basis, especially from people who were once friends and colleagues can be too much to handle.
But this is why I don't buy into the "improve the breed" propaganda. I have seen too many breeds ruined by show breeders. The GSD, the Neo, the Shar-pei, the last two new breeds.. I WATCHED the Neo change into the breed it is today over the years. The same for the Shar-Pei. Does anyone remember what the chow chow used to look like?
Has anyone seen the movie Man's Best Friend with the Tibetian Mastiff... Look at what 20 years has done to that breed.

[Belle Noir]

ETA:
I didn't mean to make this a bash breeders kind of post. That's not who I am, nor is it what I'm about. I just meant to speak a bit about what was said, and reiterate that it's possible that the Suni is just a freak chance. Though I don't have much respect for the owner putting her in the spotlight like that, as tiny and as unhealthy as she may be.
I heard it said that Tiny Pinocchio, that 1 lb yorkie probably died of stress. It makes me sad to think that this precious little thing will likely die because of someone's greed and hunger for fame. That though, is something that we all know will be because of the owner.
The circumstances of her birth, her pedigree, if she's from a line of tinies, if she was bred to be that small on purpose.. All of that is speculation on our parts. As I said, I prefer to take the high road until further information is available and assume that she is just a freak undersized double ateliotic dwarf.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

I used to have traditional persians, and I still think they're one of the most beautiful cat breeds.

I worry that the yorkie MIGHT start going braciocephalic, as more and more are breeding for a short muzzle. As a whole that look is becoming quite popular and so more people are breeding for that look. Then with the popular sire syndrome, it's possible that in 20 years, 30 years, yorkies will have some of the same breathing issues due to having such a short muzzle as the persian.. or the pug, or peke...

This is why it is up to the real breeders to NOT get caught up by fads, and breed for something because it's winning. And it's up to the long time breeders to hold true to their standards of breeding and insure that they mentor people who are not susceptible to fads of fashion, thereby keeping the bred true.

I truly hope that puppy was not actually bred to be that small. I hope that she is just an unfortunate sport. It can indeed happen as we all should well know. Since I don't know this person and what they produce, I am going to take the high road and assume that the poor tiny hairy mouse just got all the dwarfism genes.

Just so you all know, I joke that the dogs are "haiwy wats" aka hairy rats. That teeny thing can only dream of being a hairy rat, hence, she is a hairy mouse. This is true because my daughter said so, lol.

One of the reasons I love the yorkie is as a whole it IS a healthy breed. Most of the health issues the breed seems to have is less genetic in that it can be bred out, or bred around, and more to do with the genetics of being small. This is why so many toy breeds share these same issues. Since the standards will remain under 7 lbs, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see the end to these issues within the breed.

Gracielove, it's a shame you stopped breeding those cats. This is what I mean about fads ruining breeds and the old guard NEEDING to stand up for their animals. How did breeding peke faced persians and Himies "improve" the breed?
It DIDN'T. These cats have a greater problem with upper respiratory infections, they get eye infections with greater frequency, more allergies it seems. They have great tooth and mouth issues, including mouth cancers, and because their mouths are now crowded... These show breeders, these guardians of their breed have made their breed into a monstrosity. And while doing so, they chased you, and likely others like you out.
Then again, had you kept your cats, and continued to breed them, likely they would say of you. Oh she's just a back yard breeder. She doesn't show her cats. Since she doesn't show her cats, and her cats aren't being bred to standard, OBVIOUSLY she's just in it for the money.

So.. I guess I don't blame you for getting out of cats. Having to deal with something like that on a daily basis, especially from people who were once friends and colleagues can be too much to handle.
But this is why I don't buy into the "improve the breed" propaganda. I have seen too many breeds ruined by show breeders. The GSD, the Neo, the Shar-pei, the last two new breeds.. I WATCHED the Neo change into the breed it is today over the years. The same for the Shar-Pei. Does anyone remember what the chow chow used to look like?
Has anyone seen the movie Man's Best Friend with the Tibetian Mastiff... Look at what 20 years has done to that breed.

I agree with what you say about "improving the breed." Breeding should be about maintaining a strong healthy line that continues to look and act like the original standard. Changing the look of an animal to suit fashion and fad has nothing to do with "improving" a breed. I think showing in general has become way too competitive in that way. People want their dogs to be noticed above the other lines so they do things to make them stand out. Judges should not be caving to this kind of thing. However, to be honest much of showing has to do with ego and name recognition and it's not about what is best for the breed.
I just could not be a part of the destruction of the Himalayan and Persian breed and there is no chance of winning when everyone is cheering on the extreme look. To me the big wide set eyes and smaller nose was beautiful but when they wanted to totally flatten the face and have basically a button for a nose that was going too far. It is not natural and they have to do very close line breeding to get that look consistently. Of course that also results in genetic weakening. But there were other factors involved as well. It was getting harder and harder to find the kind of home I wanted to place my kittens in. Just because people have the money to shell out for an expensive kitten does not necessarily mean they are people who will take the time to do the grooming and additional care a cat like that needs. I also didn't want my breeder or show kittens living in a cattery. Many breeders cage their cats full time. I wouldn't sell to people who did not own a house. So many times apartment dwellers end up moving to a place that does not allow pets and have to re home their animals. There are a lot of ethical issues about breeding that were making me feel uncomfortable so I decided it was time to stop. It was something that I really loved doing but being responsible for the quality of their little lives was what was the deciding factor.

[lanneroth]

New here! was she bred like that on purpose, I wonder???? Too, too small and I don't think the record is worth the health of that poor little thing.