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Belle Noir · 10-24-2012, 04:03 PM

I used to have traditional persians, and I still think they're one of the most beautiful cat breeds.

I worry that the yorkie MIGHT start going braciocephalic, as more and more are breeding for a short muzzle. As a whole that look is becoming quite popular and so more people are breeding for that look. Then with the popular sire syndrome, it's possible that in 20 years, 30 years, yorkies will have some of the same breathing issues due to having such a short muzzle as the persian.. or the pug, or peke...

This is why it is up to the real breeders to NOT get caught up by fads, and breed for something because it's winning. And it's up to the long time breeders to hold true to their standards of breeding and insure that they mentor people who are not susceptible to fads of fashion, thereby keeping the bred true.

I truly hope that puppy was not actually bred to be that small. I hope that she is just an unfortunate sport. It can indeed happen as we all should well know. Since I don't know this person and what they produce, I am going to take the high road and assume that the poor tiny hairy mouse just got all the dwarfism genes.

Just so you all know, I joke that the dogs are "haiwy wats" aka hairy rats. That teeny thing can only dream of being a hairy rat, hence, she is a hairy mouse. This is true because my daughter said so, lol.

One of the reasons I love the yorkie is as a whole it IS a healthy breed. Most of the health issues the breed seems to have is less genetic in that it can be bred out, or bred around, and more to do with the genetics of being small. This is why so many toy breeds share these same issues. Since the standards will remain under 7 lbs, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see the end to these issues within the breed.

Gracielove, it's a shame you stopped breeding those cats. This is what I mean about fads ruining breeds and the old guard NEEDING to stand up for their animals. How did breeding peke faced persians and Himies "improve" the breed?
It DIDN'T. These cats have a greater problem with upper respiratory infections, they get eye infections with greater frequency, more allergies it seems. They have great tooth and mouth issues, including mouth cancers, and because their mouths are now crowded... These show breeders, these guardians of their breed have made their breed into a monstrosity. And while doing so, they chased you, and likely others like you out.
Then again, had you kept your cats, and continued to breed them, likely they would say of you. Oh she's just a back yard breeder. She doesn't show her cats. Since she doesn't show her cats, and her cats aren't being bred to standard, OBVIOUSLY she's just in it for the money.

So.. I guess I don't blame you for getting out of cats. Having to deal with something like that on a daily basis, especially from people who were once friends and colleagues can be too much to handle.
But this is why I don't buy into the "improve the breed" propaganda. I have seen too many breeds ruined by show breeders. The GSD, the Neo, the Shar-pei, the last two new breeds.. I WATCHED the Neo change into the breed it is today over the years. The same for the Shar-Pei. Does anyone remember what the chow chow used to look like?
Has anyone seen the movie Man's Best Friend with the Tibetian Mastiff... Look at what 20 years has done to that breed.

10-24-2012, 04:03 PM	#42
Belle Noir YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Reading, PA, USA Posts: 258	I used to have traditional persians, and I still think they're one of the most beautiful cat breeds. I worry that the yorkie MIGHT start going braciocephalic, as more and more are breeding for a short muzzle. As a whole that look is becoming quite popular and so more people are breeding for that look. Then with the popular sire syndrome, it's possible that in 20 years, 30 years, yorkies will have some of the same breathing issues due to having such a short muzzle as the persian.. or the pug, or peke... This is why it is up to the real breeders to NOT get caught up by fads, and breed for something because it's winning. And it's up to the long time breeders to hold true to their standards of breeding and insure that they mentor people who are not susceptible to fads of fashion, thereby keeping the bred true. I truly hope that puppy was not actually bred to be that small. I hope that she is just an unfortunate sport. It can indeed happen as we all should well know. Since I don't know this person and what they produce, I am going to take the high road and assume that the poor tiny hairy mouse just got all the dwarfism genes. Just so you all know, I joke that the dogs are "haiwy wats" aka hairy rats. That teeny thing can only dream of being a hairy rat, hence, she is a hairy mouse. This is true because my daughter said so, lol. One of the reasons I love the yorkie is as a whole it IS a healthy breed. Most of the health issues the breed seems to have is less genetic in that it can be bred out, or bred around, and more to do with the genetics of being small. This is why so many toy breeds share these same issues. Since the standards will remain under 7 lbs, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see the end to these issues within the breed. Gracielove, it's a shame you stopped breeding those cats. This is what I mean about fads ruining breeds and the old guard NEEDING to stand up for their animals. How did breeding peke faced persians and Himies "improve" the breed? It DIDN'T. These cats have a greater problem with upper respiratory infections, they get eye infections with greater frequency, more allergies it seems. They have great tooth and mouth issues, including mouth cancers, and because their mouths are now crowded... These show breeders, these guardians of their breed have made their breed into a monstrosity. And while doing so, they chased you, and likely others like you out. Then again, had you kept your cats, and continued to breed them, likely they would say of you. Oh she's just a back yard breeder. She doesn't show her cats. Since she doesn't show her cats, and her cats aren't being bred to standard, OBVIOUSLY she's just in it for the money. So.. I guess I don't blame you for getting out of cats. Having to deal with something like that on a daily basis, especially from people who were once friends and colleagues can be too much to handle. But this is why I don't buy into the "improve the breed" propaganda. I have seen too many breeds ruined by show breeders. The GSD, the Neo, the Shar-pei, the last two new breeds.. I WATCHED the Neo change into the breed it is today over the years. The same for the Shar-Pei. Does anyone remember what the chow chow used to look like? Has anyone seen the movie Man's Best Friend with the Tibetian Mastiff... Look at what 20 years has done to that breed.