Should I mate my Yorkshire terrier with a Biewer Yorksire Terrier? I need some opinions please. I have a very small female yorkie, Mollyeet, Im not sure if she'd be classified as a teacup, but we can fit her in a small bag. She is in heat and we're looking for a small male for her. Frustratingly, the smallest yorkie stud I found still seems to be bigger than her. Im afraid that if I mate him with her, she will have big puppies or a lot of puppies that it might put her to risk. I did find a stud, Eli, that's almost the same height as Mollyeet, but a little bit longer. The the thing is, he's a tri color. The owner describes him as a Tri-color yorkie and sometimes refer to him as Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. Eli's very cute and has a very lovely face.. they actually look alike. I love his color. Im not quite sure what to do... I prefer to mate Mollyeet with Eli bec, there's a bigger likelihood that their puppies will me ba smaller. On the other hand, should I not mate them bec he's a Beiwer? Im actually annoyed that some consider Beiwer as a different breed when history itself says that the line came from Yorkshire Terriers. I want the puppies to be registered and recognized. In the past, all our dogs are mix breeds. Its just frustrating that now I have a pure bred dog, her puppies might be classified as mix breed again. |
If she is very small you might reconsider breeding her at all. She could have major issues and you could end up losing her :(. |
Please go read some of the posts under the Breeder section here. I don't advocate breeding any dog 1) If you are not an experienced breeder. 2) If you are not breeding for the betterment of the breed (which if you are mixing with a Biewer, that is not for the betterment of the breed) And there are way too many other things to consider to list here - they have been listed on other posts. Biewers are a breed of their own now, even if they were descended from Yorkshire terriers. And if you are concerned about mixed pups - then you really have your answer to NOT breed her. Please read some of the posts here and educate yourself. |
You have no breeding experience...so why risk your pups life?? Get her fixed instead. |
If you post in the breeders section they can tell you that the size of the male will not determine her puppies that a throwback can occur and the puppies can be big even with a small sire and if she is a tiny you could kill her having puppies. |
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Just what i was thinking :thumbup: |
It sounds like she is to small to even consider breeding her. Please get her fixed and love her as a pet. |
First off there is no such thing as a teacup secondly if she is under 5 pounds get her fixed and do not breed her or you will be putting her life at risk. Save breeding for those who are experienced especially when dealing with a small and delicate breed of dog. |
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This is something you must reconsider, with NOTHING but the well being of your little Mollyeet first and foremost. You are the only advocate that precious little baby has. Her very existance depends completely on the choices YOU make for her. You must take that responsibility with the seriousness it commands. Breeding these dogs is a crap shoot on a good day. Professionals with years of experience can have problems with breeding. When you have been involved with Yorkies for YEARS, and you know EVERYTHING you can know about your baby, her pedigree and all the dogs in her pedigree, genetic defects that have occured in those dogs, the different lines behind her, THE SIZE OF DOGS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN THROWN BY THESE DOGS BEHIND YOUR BABY, and then you know the same things of the building blocks BEHIND the male you have chosen to breed your baby to, you are about 1/8 the way there. From reading your post, I do not think you have researched that information. Next, you need to know, if your baby weighs less than 4 pounds, you are taking a horrible risk. Your baby should be at least 5 lbs before you even THINK about breeding her. If you breed this tiny little girl, and she carries babies that are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to weigh 5 pounds or more, YOU have just given you little girl a death sentence. You can not do this to that baby. You have NO IDEA what you are doing, and I can not imagine why you want to take this terrible risk with a precious little life that adores you and depends on you to make the right decisions for her, so she can live out her God given destiny. Dont take that from her, you owe her more than that. Quote:
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Thank you for the replies. I appreciate all of them. I did however forgot to write that we've always had dogs and puppies for as long as I can remember so its not like Im not familiar with what goes on when a our female dog goes on heat, gets mated, give birth and everything after that. We don't sell the puppies coz my sister feels very attached to them so there are times when we'd have 4-6 puppies at one time. Ofcourse, so that our house would not be over run with dogs and so we could give them proper attention we don't allow the females to be mated all the time. We've always had small dogs. Like before, we had chiuaua-terrier mix dogs, when they came to age and one by one passed away, we were given a Pom-Spitz mix. We had a few of them for a while and when they also came to age, we were given a female s**tzu-poodle mix who gave brith to 7 puppies, all healthy, mature dogs now and still living with us. Mollyeet has given birth to one puppy two years ago. We've discussed with Mollyeet's vet the possibility of her getting pregnant again and he agrees. In all these years of having multiple female dogs who dont get pregnant, we have also witnessed the health issues that they also go through when they grow old and it usually involves their reproductive system. So far, and this is just based on my personal observation, our female dogs who had puppies a couple of times did not have those health issues in their ripe old age. I was concern about the possible size of the puppies in relations to the sire's size and if I understood it right.. its has no actual bearing? My 2nd concern is the Yorkshire Terrier- Biewer Yorksire Terrier combination if it will be "frowned" upon and under that catergory can I register the puppies IF Mollyeet do get pregnant. PackOf1 |
I'll answer your last question because I just can't go into the other issues here. If you breed your registered Yorkie to a stud who's registered as a Biewer I don't believe you will be able to register the pups. They will be considered mixed breeds just like Morkies and Shorkies and Chorkies and all the other Orkies out there. The Biewer is considered a separate breed so the pups wouldn't be purebred of either breed. |
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To the OP... Was curious as to your intentions. Do you plan to show your dogs? It is my understanding that you have no desire to sell the puppies. If this is the case, then registering your puppies should be of no concern(seems to be a concern). Registering does not matter at all for your pets. If your were trying to SELL or show your dogs, then this would be a concern. If you are wanting to show your dogs, then a purebred yorkie bred to a parti yorkie would leave you with no dog to show, as far as th AKC is concerned. You would not have a purebreed yorkie, or parti yorkie. That is the way i have understood the current standards. Im no expert of course. If you want to just have some puppies for your own, then i would take advantage of the wealth of info available in the breeding section. There are a few very experienced breeders here. Im not a breeder so i cannot comment, but it is also my understanding that its dangerous to breed dogs that are very small. Often fatal. Id talk to some of these folks and try and determine if its the right choice for your baby. Might be better off to wait and see of she grows, or perhaps seek a larger dog for breeding if you have only good intentions. Im sure its a bit more difficult to find a good breeder or even a yorkie in the Phillipines, than it is for us in the States. Good luck though, and hope you meet some breeders here that can help. Just keep thick skin... there are some very experienced people here. Consider the advice people offer and discuss these things with your vet. In the end...do whats best for your little girl. I'm sure you love her and would never do anything that would put her life in danger. best wishes |
If she too small to mate shes too small to mate just Because shes done it Before isnt a good reason to do it again. What if you just got lucky last time and there werent complications. Just spay her and enjoy her as a pet rather than a money making machine |
Oh and they wont be able to be register AKC that is another good reason not to breed |
First you live in the Phillipines, I'm not sure what your country's dog registry rules are. But if you wanted to register any puppies with AKC, those puppies could only be registered if they are purebred. And the AKC would need to recognize your country's kennel club, and the purebred parents of those puppies need to be registered with your country's kennel club. That information can be found on www.akc.org No reputable registry will recognize a cross bred dog, for conformation showing. That is two dogs of different breeds bred together. A google search for dog registry in your country has yielded the following:AKCUPI » Articles It looks like relatively recently it got FCI accreditation. In terms of health issues in female dogs being avoided if they have been bred, I'd like to point out that your personal observations are by the very fact they are personal quite limited in scope. For more objective observations go to the research that has been done. The parent club for the Yorkshire Terrier in the United States, does NOT recommend breeding of any female under five pounds. Go to www.ytca.org I understand that different countries might have different ethical practices; and as such I think you would have a clearer and more informed answer, if you asked your questions with you country's National Yorkshire Terrier Club; and or go to your country' s National registry. |
How much does your female weigh? How old is she? How much does the male weigh? From your last post it sounds like you have a lot of dogs. :eek: How many are currently in your home? You must be very busy! It sounds like so much work. |
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Thank you for the advices. I do believe I need to have a thick skin if Im to continue to be part of this group coz I was kinda "shocked" to read such strong opinions despite the fact that I did ask for opinions in the first place. I likewise understand that all that passionate reactions comes from the same love we all feel for our own Yorkies. |
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BTW, it does sound like you have quite a large pack of dogs in your home. I'm curious why you chose a user name of PackOf1. |
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Mollyeet's 4 years old now and the Beiwer's 1 year old or a few months short... Im not sure... Currently we have 7 shi tzu-poodle mix, their mom and 3 yorkies. Initially, the 7 Shiddles, as we prefer to call them, were a handful but after a while they've all calmed down. Now, the only time there's a frenzy is during meal time. The're all inside the house, they're not allowed on the furnitures (except occassionally for my yorkies), and thank god they never really got into chewing stuff. |
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Well breeding a biewerto a yorkie is not frowned upon by one biewer club however others it is because they are trying to establish the bieweras a separate breed. It is frowned on also by the yorkie community |
Packof1 I don't think the people here mean to sound harsh, sometimes it is hard to read someones tone when it is written. Everyone here has such a passion for these little babies, and want whats is best for all of them. You really will find alot of great advice and alot of great friends here!! Welcome to YT! |
Eleven dogs inside the house! Wow! You ARE a busy lady! I too love the little breeds, but I'm afraid to have too many because of the cost of all the vet care. Your little Mollyeet is adorable. Based on her photo, I am guessing she is well under 5 pounds. My Mia is around 3 pounds, and Mollyeet looks to be about the same size. The male you choose to breed her with could be the runt from his litter. Even though he is small, his genes could throw larger puppies. If a pup gets stuck being born, little Mollyeet's life could quickly become endangered. She would need a c-section that would require $2,000.-$3,000. surgery. Tiny Yorkies can crash medically very quickly. Their needs and care are much different than any other small breed of dog. My Lucy was a breeder dog. She now has mammary cancer, and I'm not going to have her much longer. It's so sad. Dogs spayed early and not bred are usually free from the risk of certain cancers. Your girl is getting up there to the end of her breeding years. Older dogs have more problems delivering. Please, please read and research everything you can before deciding to breed this tiny baby. Hugs to you and all your fur babies! |
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