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Does this make sense from breeder? New baby boy! Hi everyone, I am new to YT! I just picked up my second yorkie today, (2 1/2 years at 5 lbs) and brand new 8 week old boy. I refer to this site A LOT and hopefully someone can either answer my question or explain the meaning behind it.. So, my new baby boy is 30 oz today and exactly 8 weeks. I picked him out at 3 weeks and he was 6.2 oz. Does this make sense or does it sound like we are dealing with a switcher- roo here...? I am referencing to the charts that are available online but that is just a guestimation. His parents are mom 5 lbs and dad 3 lbs. I picked the smallest boy of the litter. There is a girl that was small also, who is 10-12 oz and not healthy. My little girl is 5 lbs. I received her at 2.2lbs and she doubled in weight and size from 12 weeks. I was hoping he would be smaller than the girl but if I triple his weight at 8 weeks he will be bigger than my girl. Also, the breeder will not disclose the information or weights of the others in the litter. Not sure what I'm dealing with here and as a buyer what I am and am not able to know. |
Are these dogs going to bred to each other? I ask because weight seems to be a major concern. |
yes, i would like to eventually. |
As one very astute yorkie exhibitor/breeder here often said, the only thing you can be sure of when it comes to estimating sizes is that yorkie pups will make a liar out of you. If this breeder was willing to sell you full registration (which is required for breeding), then she should be willing to mentor you on this and many other subjects relative to choosing a breeding pair. |
There is no way the adult weight of a pup can e guaranteed. Thats why you purchase adults if that is important to you |
As a breeder, do you see these types of growth spurts? 6.4 oz at 3 weeks to 30 oz at 8 weeks? My question is, is this common or is this rare to happen? |
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Experienced breeders can make an educated guess, but a good breeder would never guarantee size, especially not at 8 weeks. A good breeder would not choose their breeding stock at 8 weeks. Exhibitors cannot choose their show dogs (which will be their breeders) at that age. They know it is a total gamble. You can try posting in the breeder section for more info, or the exhibitor section. |
When we picked out Kyra her sisters were all about the same size as her by the time we picked her up 4 weeks later they were double her size so I do think it is possible. |
I have never bred dogs but I used to breed cats and as stated above the ones that start out the biggest can turn out to be the smallest. Growth spurts and how well they feed has a lot to do with growth in the first few weeks of life. Since the Yorkie was a larger dog in years past they can throw larger pups even though the parents are both fairly small. The genes are still there for a larger dog. A well linebred pair of animals may increase the ability to estimate the size the puppies may obtain but there is no guarantee. I did see somewhere here on YT that you can double the weight at 13 weeks and you may come close to what the puppy may mature at. Still no guarantee. |
The breeder did not let me see the rest of the litter at 6 weeks when I went to visit (he weighed 11oz), and now I learn that she sold 2 males at 5 weeks to another breeder. I know that the other smallest pup is only 13 oz. |
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30oz at 8 weeks minus the 11oz he was at 6 weeks old in on a gain of 1.9oz in two weeks. That is an average weight gain of only 3.7 oz. per week. Very possible! I do hope that the breeder did not release the pups at the age of 5 weeks old. That is way to early. Some here would argue that 8 weeks is also too early for a pup to leave their mother and litter mates. |
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Im no breeder,but I certainly beleive that a puppys size can fool you ;) I was sent pictures of the litter (of 3) that I got Milo & Bella from the day after they were born,and they were all the same size.After that,I was sent pictures every 3 days until I could start visiting them myself (and choose my puppy) at just over 2 weeks old.They all seemed very similar in size until we skipped a weekend visit.Bella and Milo were still the same but their sibbling was now HUGE!! lol. The day we bought Milo & Bella home (at 6 weeks old) they both weighed 1.7lbs,yet their sibbling weighed 2.7lbs! I have no idea how she grew that much so quickly (it happened in like 2 weeks!),but there was deffinately no switcheroo because there was no other litter and you could clearly see she was the same puppy (one of her back feet was white).Just genetics I suppose :D |
I'm just going to call this as I see it: A deal between one BYB to another BYB...what can be expected in these situations? |
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I was sent pictures as well but in every shot of the whole litter there was always 2 missing. I feel that she sold the original that I paid for upfront and gave me a different one and sent me pictures of the one she decided i should have.. I saw it earlier and didn't call her out on it. I just went with it stupidly trusting her. |
Well first off the breeder who gave you an 8 week old pup is a bad breeder because the ytca says puppies should not leave mom until 12 weeks old and all good breeders know that. I would be worried if she is letting the pups go at 8 weeks what other corners she is cutting. Did you know you could lose your female dog by breeding her? Do you have the money for emergency's like a c-section? If they mother dies do you have the ability to get up every couple of hours to hand feed the pups? Do you know the lines of these pups to make sure they don't have certain illnesses? Do you have the money to have them health tested for anything they could pass to the pups or to make sure they are healthy? Do you have a mentor to help you when whelping? How do you know your dogs are an excellent example of the breed? |
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Anyone who would sell, trade or in any way take 5 week old puppies away from their mother is capable of any sort of underhanded behavior. This greeder is nothing but a fortune hunter that is more concerned about her pocketbook than the animals that are setting her table. Is her name De Ville? |
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The breeder put on a great act, with a very detailed website and paperwork. I trusted her. Her female and male dogs live in a nice home, not a kennel. She welcomed us in her home. She put on a good show. I found out after i received the little guy that the other two were sold at 5 weeks when I started asking about them. I felt something was fishy, but I let it pass with trust. |
Her reasoning for not posting the pics of the two were because she was going to keep two females (then). Then it turned into the males(today). It was planned the whole time. She said she will take back the one she sold me and when another litter comes I can choose. I just don't know if I can trust her or if I want to go through it all again. I like the little guy I have now, but I want a litter or two from my first love. |
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