It is clear enough what is going on here but not everyone who first arrives at YT has the knowledge necessary to make right decisions. Perhaps rather than driving everyone off with rudeness we could educate first.

Sad to think that people are like this, poor dogs.. I cannot find any bad reviews/reports on her or her company that has been in business for 10 years (I did some brief research before and I am doing extensive now). After all of this is settled and I am satisfied (in hopes that the breeder will stick to her word with contracts, terms and conditions) I will be doing my detailed review.

At least it wasn't me who was quoted and called rude this time :D

I agree. I am getting to the point I do most of my reading in other parts of the forum because when I see new pet owners seeking advice instead of trying to educate them we make remarks that hurt their feelings and teach them nothing because they are made to feel stupid. I hope I have never done this and if I have I apologize right now for it. Please like has been suggested OP stay around and read lots of the forum not only here but in the breeding section and then make informed decisions for yourself.

I am here, like most folks, to advocate for the Yorkies, I'm sorry you disagree with my post, hopefully others who come along will be educated by this thread. Hopefully the OP sees the errors of her ways and gets something from it too...there is nothing pretty about byb, puppymills, brokers, nothing and I will not pretend I don't see it.

I am not accusing anyone of being rude. But before this turns into a bash thread maybe everyone could consider that many people come her completely uninformed about the animal breeding industry. This is a good place to educate people but that impossible if we drive people off with with insults before they are able to learn anything. We have all seen it happen. It makes some people feel better but it has accomplished nothing in the way of changing things.

I agree ! :thumbup:

To the OP: Miranda918

Do you care to post the site where you found your pup, so that those who are quick to judge can take a look at it before labelling this breeder a byb. I know from experience how some people can throw labels around without first hand knowledge of the person. Which in my opinion is totally uncalled for.

Do you know for sure that this women let the 2 pups go to the other breeder at 5 weeks or just that they were spoken for at 5 weeks? Those are two very different things!

I'm confused --why are you sure that she pulled a switch on you? No breeder can tell you at 5 weeks or 8 weeks or 12 weeks exactly how big or small a Yorkie is going to be as an adult. They cannot guarantee size.

It is very possible for a pup to grow the amount you stated in your initial post.

As referenced by my response below, I think others, including myself, have told her she is not dealing w a good or ethical breeder. We were not pretending anything; it's just called having a command of the English language. Thank you for the accusation of pretending she is dealing w a good breeder. ;)

Make them feel stupid? What about them making us feel stupid for wasting our time posting, by not being upfront from the beginning???

'Was I duped by a breeder who did a switcheroo, cos my pup seems bigger than I was expecting'.... is a HELLUVA lot different than.... "do you think my new pup will be too big to breed with my current pup, cos I wanna be a BYBer". If the OP had been upfront from the get-go, maybe some of us wouldn't have wasted our time responding to it.

Yea, my original question is, will this puppy be bigger than I projected for him to be? I have one yorkie and I want a smaller boy. Who cares why, I answered because maybe I want a litter of a few for friends and family. I AM NOT AN IGNORANT BYB! Thanks! :angry:

I am asking breeders if this is common, because turns out I find out today my dog WAS switched! The breeder I bought from is taking responsibility.

how did you find out he was switched and what is she going to do regarding it

I am not going to say where or who at this time. She said in a text message that she let the 5 weeks go to another breeder, I bought the pup at 3 weeks, two weeks later she sold him. She told me she thought I wanted a different one.

She is taking care of the mistake with no issue. If it happens a second time, then I will take proper action.

She told me she thought I wanted a different one. She is taking the pup back, and giving me the option of another pick (at 6 weeks) or refund.

So we have two separate issues here - one being that the puppy was 'switched' prior to being sold to the OP at eight weeks . . and is now being replaced.

The second issue being that the OP wants to breed the two dogs and doesn't want the male to be too large.

I think I have it right. OP, sounds like a mighty shady operation with all this switching going on. I hope you reconsider your idea to breed the replacement puppy.

I have a very sociable, well trained, healthy, purebred, akc registered female. I think I did a better job raising her than a majority of new owners. I was asking a question to breeders who do this as a business and this is their field of knowledge on the growth of puppies. My accusations were correct as I suspected, I came here for a little back up on my opinion to see what are the possibilities of what happened to my little guy.

A good breeder doesn't sell a Yorkie before 12 weeks of age, this is the minimum age. Some breeders are now keeping them longer so that they can do a bile acids test before going to the new home. Some people think that you can sell the dogs when the mother stops nursing, but this isn't true for the Yorkie and other toy breeds. Mom and littermates are teaching important socialization skills during this time. Mom will nudge puppy over to pee pad when she smells that it has to urinate, she also teaches inhibition of the biting reflex, two really important skills which may make a huge difference on how the new family treats their yorkie. If you are thinking about breeding a dog, you also want to make sure she has good mothering skills; she learns these things from her mother. The toy breeds are different than other breeds, they have special needs, and that's why places like Yorkietalk are so useful, you can get breed specific information. A breeder who doesn't even abide by the YTCA's suggestions on how long to keep a Yorkie with the mother is a irresponsible in my opinion, and is not really protecting her offspring in blending well with the new family.

Taken from the YTCA website:

Just because the male is to big doesn't mean anything dogs die everyday from not being able to carry the pups, not being able to birth the pups and action isn't taken in time or many many other things.

Is she an excellent example of the breed? Do you plan to have her health tested? Are you ok with the possibility of losing her for pups or even losing both? Do you have a mentor to help you with whelping? These are important questions.

Oh, oops you should have posted in the breeding section and not in the general section.

Maybe you should have just asked about the growth chart then because the title makes it unclear.

Look like you got more that what you bargained for as they say. When you come to an open forum like YT. You get way more than you asked for... it is what it is. I hope it will not stop you from sticking around.

I hope that at least you got some answers. Plus your suspicions were right. The breeder is taking responsibility and thats all that can be expected. I cant say that there aren't serious issues with the breeder and the transfer of the two 5 weeks old pup. That is something that should never ever be done. That right there is signs of an irresponsible breeder.

I know if I had a pup for even a day I would be so bonded I could not give it back especially not to that bad breeder. 6 weeks is to young and I suggest you do some research especially before you breed your dogs and send the pups away to young also!

It looks to me like you are doing the right thing by using a smaller male for breeding. If it is your desire to do so, I say do it. They are your dogs. I don`t think you will harm your dogs . I would take a pup from you. We can`t all afford these expensive breeders. And, we will love our dogs just as much. I felt like crap the first time I posted here that I was getting a 9 week old pup. My sister in law is the breeder, so if I need her, she is there. Sorry folks. I think you are all trying for the best, it just came across like shame on you, do research. Where? No one offered the ans.

To me...it all seems too weird. So, the breeder thought you wanted a different puppy? How does the breeder keep track of who is who?

Yes. They are your puppies and you can do whatever you would like but please make informed decisions. The people on this website have seen this time and time again and are frankly SICK of hearing about sick puppies and heatlh issues. You definitely need a mentor or someone to guide you.

:thumbdown Sorry, I don't see how you are qualified to give this advice. You don't THINK she will harm her dogs? How do you know?

Guess you don't know about pet overpopulation or how things can go very wrong and result in death for the puppies and mother when you don't know what you are doing when you whelp. Most good breeders aren't breeders to make money and don't make money they do it keep the breed exceptional. I also have to wonder if you cant afford the dog how can you afford everything it needs as well as its care? Breeders who sell cheap pups normally do not do the health testing to make sure your not getting a sick pup.

do you know she wants to harm her dogs? That is why she wants a smaller male. This is my thoughts.

back at ya with the thumbs down. :thumbdown:thumbdown

1. You obviously, like me, have no real experience in breeding and therefore should state so before giving information, especially wrong information (I know its wrong because I learned it on YT).

2. How sad that you would take a dog from someone who you don't even know, especially someone who is only breeding for sentimental reasons. Pups, regardless of breed should only be purchased from experienced and ethical breeders. (I learned that on YT too).

3. Did you feel like crap because you learned that you and your sister the breeder made an error in taking the pup away from her mother before she should be was not a good thing for the pup? or because we told you the truth? (I'm not sure I understand).

4. Have you told your sister in-law about this site so that she may improve her breeding practices and do what is best for the pup? (because you have learned so much from YT?)

5. It is a shame, and some questions really aren't worth answering, in my opinion. (because I can give one on YT)

A small male doesn't do anything to guarantee the safety of the female. The female is the one that controls size in utero. Many inexperience breeders think that breeding a large female with a small male with give them offspring that is smaller than the female, but this isn’t true either. You don’t just average out the damn and sires weight to predict offspring’s adult weight. That’s why experienced breeders study the lines of their dogs. No one thinks she "wants" to harm her dog, but I can tell you this, experienced breeders take breeding very seriously and know that each pregnancy has many risks for the female.