Needing Advice!!! Chocolate Yorkie Vs. Traditional Yorkie - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Floydoliver · 04-08-2012, 01:56 PM

I 1st met a Yorkie several years ago and fell in love with him and the breed and there personalities, well I went to my local shelter and adopted a 2year old Yorkie male which they told me he was 5, but he wasn't anyway he is an amazing little fella and I love him to death well I have recently decided that I want to get another one but I want a puppy. A old high school friend told me she has some puppies and she would let me have one. Well she had 3 male they are so adorable well this is the thing she letting me pick which one I want. She has one that is chocolate he looks like a yorkie but is half the size of the other puppies and his coat is not as long as the other puppies but he is adorable and I want to get him. I need advice on chocolate back ground do it take longer for they hair to grow out or is it because he is the smallest or could he be mixed but she assured me that her mother dog was only around her male. Should I just get one of the other puppies, I don't want a mix which I don't think he is but not sure. And from what I know she is a responsible breeder, she has Yorkie's that she show and some that she says not show quality so I believe she is telling the truth but she also said her puppies have never thrown a chocolate? Advice PLEASE... I couldn't get the other pic to upload to message me if you want to see pic of him Thanks again

P.S. The picture is of all 3 the chocolate is in the middle and this was at 3-4 weeks I think thats when she sent me the picture but the picture is of the Chocolate Yorkie at 6.5weeks short hair do he look mixed or what??? His littermates are full of hair why not him. His eye's didn't open til 3-3.5weeks so maybe he a late bloomer? I tried to put any info I can think of. Thanks in advance.

Nancy1999 · 04-08-2012, 02:19 PM

Wow, he's so much smaller than the others isn't he? I know some runts turn out to be larger than their siblings as adults, but he's so much smaller that I would be afraid of some health risk, such as liver shunt. While I don't think people should purposely breed for chocolates, they are adorable, and need good homes too. I do think you are taking more of a risk when buying a runt and hopefully you can get insurance for it or have a savings account just in case. I haven't read of any health concerns associated with the chocolate. By the way, it is very possible for the pups to have have different fathers, but just because it's a chocolate, it doesn't mean that it has a different father. At that age, I think their hair is very short.

dawn27 · 04-08-2012, 02:23 PM

Yes I agree with Nancy, health risk with runts are common and the hair is very short for their age.

I have no experience with Chocolate Yorkies. I myself prefer the traditinal color. If she is a breeder I wonder why she is so willing to just give you a pup and not charge you for it. I wish I had a friend like that.

Do you have pics of the other Yorkies that she owns. Is it possible that one of them are mixed?

Here is a thread on Chocolate Yorkeis from here on YT that may be helpful: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-yorkies.html

OwnedByJezebel · 04-08-2012, 02:27 PM

"And from what I know she is a responsible breeder, she has Yorkie's that she show and some that she says not show quality"

I don't know if I understand what you are asking here. Does she actually show her dogs in the ring and are the parents championed, or is she saying that some of the pups in this litter are show quality and the others are not? At the age of these pups, it is way too soon to know if they are show quality. So much can change as they grow up so you really can't tell until they get much older.

As far as the size goes, yes, there can be that much size difference between pups in the same litter. Also, when it comes to chocolates or "rare colors," that is considered a fault. It doesn't mean they are unhealthy, just that they are pet quality and should be charged a pet quality price. If a breeder tries to say it is more valuable because of a rare color, find another breeder!

Floydoliver · 04-08-2012, 02:53 PM

Thanks for the advice. I don't have pictures of her other Yorkies but I have seen them in person but she said she has 7 yorkies plus the 3 puppies. And all of them are traditional. She said she actually shows 2 of them, and the other are either retired from shows or previous puppies that came back to her from broken contract from previous owners. But yes I know owning any dog can be costly and I am ok with that. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making the wrong decision by picking the Chocolate one. Thanks everyone

gracielove · 04-08-2012, 05:40 PM

I really don't know much about your particular situation. It just brought back the memory of the look on our vet's face when she saw that I bought the runt of the litter. She tried to hide her horror but I could see it in her eyes and the next thing I knew she was telling me about all the things to watch for in the puppy and the possibilities I could be facing. I had never heard of liver shunt and here she was handing me information about the condition and what tests they could do to check for it.

Fortunately, Gracie did not have any of the issues that were a possibility. She was a very picky eater and did not gain weight very well. I had hoped she would be around 8 or 9 pounds but she did make it all the way to 5. I'd watch that puppy very closely. See how the other pups treat him and how it responds to the things going on around him. If you have ever read some of the very sad stories of people who have purchased puppies that were later found to have serious issues you know how heartbreaking having such a puppy can be.

Sometimes if a breeder lets a female mate with the male again later in her cycle puppies can be born that are several days younger than the others. I don't know if that is the case here or not. This little guy appears quite a bit smaller. My Gracie was quite a bit smaller than her sister also but I did not see her at that age so I can't say what the difference was at that stage.

lillymae · 04-08-2012, 08:02 PM

I would waite till the pups are 12 wks & reassess the situation. If at 12 wks the chocolate pup is thriving & eating well with NO signs of any health problems & he's the one you want then you could take him home. Does your friend keep her pups till 12 wks ? as that is the recommended age but not before 12 wks. Welcome to YT & good luck.

concretegurl · 04-08-2012, 11:42 PM

There are lots of chocolate Yorkie breeders out there, chocolates develop the same as traditional just a different color, as far as I know (tongue in cheek here). I've heard their nose color says a lot about them.

I can advise you to a group to learn about them if you are interested in them specifically.

They are not my cup of tea, personally (chocolates).

I'm assuming if your friend is a show breeder she is wanting to pet out this chocolate pup because she doesn't it want it known about? Is that what you were saying?

MY OSCAR · 04-09-2012, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floydoliver

i 1st met a yorkie several years ago and fell in love with him and the breed and there personalities, well i went to my local shelter and adopted a 2year old yorkie male which they told me he was 5, but he wasn't anyway he is an amazing little fella and i love him to death well i have recently decided that i want to get another one but i want a puppy. A old high school friend told me she has some puppies and she would let me have one. Well she had 3 male they are so adorable well this is the thing she letting me pick which one i want. She has one that is chocolate he looks like a yorkie but is half the size of the other puppies and his coat is not as long as the other puppies but he is adorable and i want to get him. I need advice on chocolate back ground do it take longer for they hair to grow out or is it because he is the smallest or could he be mixed but she assured me that her mother dog was only around her male. Should i just get one of the other puppies, i don't want a mix which i don't think he is but not sure. And from what i know she is a responsible breeder, she has yorkie's that she show and some that she says not show quality so i believe she is telling the truth but she also said her puppies have never thrown a chocolate? Advice please... I couldn't get the other pic to upload to message me if you want to see pic of him thanks again

p.s. The picture is of all 3 the chocolate is in the middle and this was at 3-4 weeks i think thats when she sent me the picture but the picture is of the chocolate yorkie at 6.5weeks short hair do he look mixed or what??? His littermates are full of hair why not him. His eye's didn't open til 3-3.5weeks so maybe he a late bloomer? I tried to put any info i can think of. Thanks in advance.

hi, my oscar is a chocolate and he is gorgeous. He has a beautiful silky coat and he is very healthy...
As far as personality he is no different than any other yorkie.
And yes , he is 100 % purebred yorkie...
As far as the coat goes, from my understanding there are many different coat types on yorkies..
If the chocolate colored baby is healthy and that is the one you want , go for it......

nanahas3 · 04-09-2012, 07:38 AM

Our little Kyra was and still is half the size of her two litter mates so I don't think you can tell by size. Her coat was really short for a long time compared to them also but by 12 weeks it had started to grow and get fluffy like it should be. If the breeder is reputable I would just go with my heart on the one to get.

MY OSCAR · 04-09-2012, 01:30 PM

Ps. How old are the puppies now ?
If you have any more pics i would love to see what the
chocolate looks like...

Floydoliver · 04-09-2012, 09:02 PM

Oscar send me your email I will email u one for some reason I can't get it to upload here. They are 7 weeks right now and Yes she said I have 4 more weeks to decide and I really appreciate everyone input and advice. I am a complete dog lover and Yorkie's OMG I absolutely love the breed because its like they understand exactly whats going on but enough of that I could go on and on but I think I want to get him when he is ready and I don't know if she is trying to hide the puppy but I don't think so because I can pick anyone I would like and thanks again everyone for your helpful advice I will continue to post pic's of him as she sends them to me Thanks!!!

concretegurl · 04-09-2012, 10:09 PM

I shouldn't have said hide.

I mean pet it out since it is both undersized and off color-

both make it neither breeding quality or show quality for those following the YTCA standards

and even for those who breed nonYTCA standards the size makes it an issue.

I'd imagine a breeder would "pet out" such a pup now and not hang onto it to see if it finishes at a breeding quality

before they start the health testing and any CHIC or OFA certifications before allowing it to breed back into their line.

Either or it's nice to know she's a responsible breeder finding a close friend to take an undersized pup-even though she is letting your chose any pup. It take only specialty homes to take in an undersized Yorkie.

YorkyDiva · 04-10-2012, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floydoliver

Oscar send me your email I will email u one for some reason I can't get it to upload here. They are 7 weeks right now and Yes she said I have 4 more weeks to decide and I really appreciate everyone input and advice. I am a complete dog lover and Yorkie's OMG I absolutely love the breed because its like they understand exactly whats going on but enough of that I could go on and on but I think I want to get him when he is ready and I don't know if she is trying to hide the puppy but I don't think so because I can pick anyone I would like and thanks again everyone for your helpful advice I will continue to post pic's of him as she sends them to me Thanks!!!

Maybe you need to downsize the pix. Would love to see them too.

Prince Toby · 04-10-2012, 09:17 AM

I just got my little one Toby. I had a choice between Toby and his brother which was a chocolate. His fur was not like Tobys or his sisters. In my case though the chocolate one was bigger than Toby and their sister. I talked to the breeder recently and she told me the chocolate one is already up to 4 lbs and he is 15 weeks old. I guess thier sizes vary just like normal colored yorkies do. She also said he was the first chocolate yorkie her yorkies have ever produced. Since then she has had 3 more litters and no chocolates. I do not know what causes them, but I have seen a couple in Petsmart that the owner said was a chocolate and thier coloring as adults is gorgeous. The only reason I did not choose the chocolate was because Toby stole my heart when I held him and he wrapped his front paws around my finger. As far as size goes Toby was teeny tiny when I brought him home barely even a pound. The vet told me when I took him a month after I got him that they were worried he was not going to make it as tiny as he was when I first brought him in. He is 15 weeks and 2 lbs now and he is healthy as healthy can be. The main problem with a teeny tiny one is their blood sugar can drop and they can have seizures. I kept that from happening by giving Toby a finger full of karo syrup in the morning before we left to go somewhere and at night before bed as precautionary measures and he did fine.

04-08-2012, 01:56 PM	#1
Floydoliver No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 27 Blog Entries: 1	Needing Advice!!! Chocolate Yorkie Vs. Traditional Yorkie I 1st met a Yorkie several years ago and fell in love with him and the breed and there personalities, well I went to my local shelter and adopted a 2year old Yorkie male which they told me he was 5, but he wasn't anyway he is an amazing little fella and I love him to death well I have recently decided that I want to get another one but I want a puppy. A old high school friend told me she has some puppies and she would let me have one. Well she had 3 male they are so adorable well this is the thing she letting me pick which one I want. She has one that is chocolate he looks like a yorkie but is half the size of the other puppies and his coat is not as long as the other puppies but he is adorable and I want to get him. I need advice on chocolate back ground do it take longer for they hair to grow out or is it because he is the smallest or could he be mixed but she assured me that her mother dog was only around her male. Should I just get one of the other puppies, I don't want a mix which I don't think he is but not sure. And from what I know she is a responsible breeder, she has Yorkie's that she show and some that she says not show quality so I believe she is telling the truth but she also said her puppies have never thrown a chocolate? Advice PLEASE... I couldn't get the other pic to upload to message me if you want to see pic of him Thanks again P.S. The picture is of all 3 the chocolate is in the middle and this was at 3-4 weeks I think thats when she sent me the picture but the picture is of the Chocolate Yorkie at 6.5weeks short hair do he look mixed or what??? His littermates are full of hair why not him. His eye's didn't open til 3-3.5weeks so maybe he a late bloomer? I tried to put any info I can think of. Thanks in advance. Attached Thumbnails

04-08-2012, 02:19 PM	#2
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	Wow, he's so much smaller than the others isn't he? I know some runts turn out to be larger than their siblings as adults, but he's so much smaller that I would be afraid of some health risk, such as liver shunt. While I don't think people should purposely breed for chocolates, they are adorable, and need good homes too. I do think you are taking more of a risk when buying a runt and hopefully you can get insurance for it or have a savings account just in case. I haven't read of any health concerns associated with the chocolate. By the way, it is very possible for the pups to have have different fathers, but just because it's a chocolate, it doesn't mean that it has a different father. At that age, I think their hair is very short. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals Last edited by Nancy1999; 04-08-2012 at 02:23 PM.

04-08-2012, 02:23 PM	#3
dawn27 2+2=4 X the Love ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bean Town Ohio Posts: 9,456 Blog Entries: 1	Yes I agree with Nancy, health risk with runts are common and the hair is very short for their age. I have no experience with Chocolate Yorkies. I myself prefer the traditinal color. If she is a breeder I wonder why she is so willing to just give you a pup and not charge you for it. I wish I had a friend like that. Do you have pics of the other Yorkies that she owns. Is it possible that one of them are mixed? Here is a thread on Chocolate Yorkeis from here on YT that may be helpful: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-yorkies.html __________________ Mommy to: Quincy, & Ruby Bella / Miah & Brandi Gone but Never Forgotten Visit: Bella Dawns for all of your Custom Pet Wear needs. Last edited by dawn27; 04-08-2012 at 02:26 PM.

04-08-2012, 02:27 PM	#4
OwnedByJezebel YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,921	"And from what I know she is a responsible breeder, she has Yorkie's that she show and some that she says not show quality" I don't know if I understand what you are asking here. Does she actually show her dogs in the ring and are the parents championed, or is she saying that some of the pups in this litter are show quality and the others are not? At the age of these pups, it is way too soon to know if they are show quality. So much can change as they grow up so you really can't tell until they get much older. As far as the size goes, yes, there can be that much size difference between pups in the same litter. Also, when it comes to chocolates or "rare colors," that is considered a fault. It doesn't mean they are unhealthy, just that they are pet quality and should be charged a pet quality price. If a breeder tries to say it is more valuable because of a rare color, find another breeder! __________________ Life is merrier with a Yorkshire Terrier! Jezebel & Chuy ... RIP: Barkley Loosie & Sassy

04-08-2012, 11:42 PM	#8
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	There are lots of chocolate Yorkie breeders out there, chocolates develop the same as traditional just a different color, as far as I know (tongue in cheek here). I've heard their nose color says a lot about them. I can advise you to a group to learn about them if you are interested in them specifically. *They are not* my cup of tea, personally (chocolates).** I'm assuming if your friend is a show breeder she is wanting to pet out this chocolate pup because she doesn't it want it known about? Is that what you were saying? __________________ Shan & 8 kids now!

04-08-2012, 02:53 PM	#5
Floydoliver No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 27 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks for the advice. I don't have pictures of her other Yorkies but I have seen them in person but she said she has 7 yorkies plus the 3 puppies. And all of them are traditional. She said she actually shows 2 of them, and the other are either retired from shows or previous puppies that came back to her from broken contract from previous owners. But yes I know owning any dog can be costly and I am ok with that. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making the wrong decision by picking the Chocolate one. Thanks everyone

04-08-2012, 05:40 PM	#6
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	I really don't know much about your particular situation. It just brought back the memory of the look on our vet's face when she saw that I bought the runt of the litter. She tried to hide her horror but I could see it in her eyes and the next thing I knew she was telling me about all the things to watch for in the puppy and the possibilities I could be facing. I had never heard of liver shunt and here she was handing me information about the condition and what tests they could do to check for it. Fortunately, Gracie did not have any of the issues that were a possibility. She was a very picky eater and did not gain weight very well. I had hoped she would be around 8 or 9 pounds but she did make it all the way to 5. I'd watch that puppy very closely. See how the other pups treat him and how it responds to the things going on around him. If you have ever read some of the very sad stories of people who have purchased puppies that were later found to have serious issues you know how heartbreaking having such a puppy can be. Sometimes if a breeder lets a female mate with the male again later in her cycle puppies can be born that are several days younger than the others. I don't know if that is the case here or not. This little guy appears quite a bit smaller. My Gracie was quite a bit smaller than her sister also but I did not see her at that age so I can't say what the difference was at that stage.

04-08-2012, 08:02 PM	#7
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	I would waite till the pups are 12 wks & reassess the situation. If at 12 wks the chocolate pup is thriving & eating well with NO signs of any health problems & he's the one you want then you could take him home. Does your friend keep her pups till 12 wks ? as that is the recommended age but not before 12 wks. Welcome to YT & good luck.

04-09-2012, 07:38 AM	#10
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	Our little Kyra was and still is half the size of her two litter mates so I don't think you can tell by size. Her coat was really short for a long time compared to them also but by 12 weeks it had started to grow and get fluffy like it should be. If the breeder is reputable I would just go with my heart on the one to get. __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita*

04-09-2012, 01:30 PM	#11
MY OSCAR YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Posts: 4,514	Ps. How old are the puppies now ? If you have any more pics i would love to see what the chocolate looks like...

04-09-2012, 09:02 PM	#12
Floydoliver No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 27 Blog Entries: 1	Oscar send me your email I will email u one for some reason I can't get it to upload here. They are 7 weeks right now and Yes she said I have 4 more weeks to decide and I really appreciate everyone input and advice. I am a complete dog lover and Yorkie's OMG I absolutely love the breed because its like they understand exactly whats going on but enough of that I could go on and on but I think I want to get him when he is ready and I don't know if she is trying to hide the puppy but I don't think so because I can pick anyone I would like and thanks again everyone for your helpful advice I will continue to post pic's of him as she sends them to me Thanks!!!

04-09-2012, 10:09 PM	#13
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	I shouldn't have said hide. I mean pet it out since it is both undersized and off color- both make it neither breeding quality or show quality for those following the YTCA standards and even for those who breed nonYTCA standards the size makes it an issue. I'd imagine a breeder would "pet out" such a pup now and not hang onto it to see if it finishes at a breeding quality before they start the health testing and any CHIC or OFA certifications before allowing it to breed back into their line. Either or it's nice to know she's a responsible breeder finding a close friend to take an undersized pup-even though she is letting your chose any pup. It take only specialty homes to take in an undersized Yorkie. __________________ Shan & 8 kids now!

04-10-2012, 09:17 AM	#15
Prince Toby YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 438	I just got my little one Toby. I had a choice between Toby and his brother which was a chocolate. His fur was not like Tobys or his sisters. In my case though the chocolate one was bigger than Toby and their sister. I talked to the breeder recently and she told me the chocolate one is already up to 4 lbs and he is 15 weeks old. I guess thier sizes vary just like normal colored yorkies do. She also said he was the first chocolate yorkie her yorkies have ever produced. Since then she has had 3 more litters and no chocolates. I do not know what causes them, but I have seen a couple in Petsmart that the owner said was a chocolate and thier coloring as adults is gorgeous. The only reason I did not choose the chocolate was because Toby stole my heart when I held him and he wrapped his front paws around my finger. As far as size goes Toby was teeny tiny when I brought him home barely even a pound. The vet told me when I took him a month after I got him that they were worried he was not going to make it as tiny as he was when I first brought him in. He is 15 weeks and 2 lbs now and he is healthy as healthy can be. The main problem with a teeny tiny one is their blood sugar can drop and they can have seizures. I kept that from happening by giving Toby a finger full of karo syrup in the morning before we left to go somewhere and at night before bed as precautionary measures and he did fine.