invisible fence

[Jennyms319]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I was not being sarcastic one bit I was being very honest about how I felt about it

I know you were being honest. But it was sarcastic. In my post I put sarcastic in " " . Because you were complaining the other day about someone using sarcasm.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by navillusc

There is no reason I can imagine to attempt using an invisible fence for a Yorkie. An invisible fence does not offer the protection a small dog like a Yorkie needs. Small dogs are predator targets from land (humans, other dogs, wild animals, etc.), sky (hawks, eagles, owls, etc.), and water (gators, snakes, velvet ants, etc.) depending on where you live. Just my opinion, of course...

I agree...and Yorkies have such a "chase" trigger...if they see a cat or a squirrel, etc., I would be concerned mine would withstand any shock in order to pursue the game...unless it was a shock that actually stunned and knocked them down....and you certainly wouldnt want THAT!

[fifeandshaffer]

I'm not a huge fan of elec fences, my friend has one as where they live a real fence is not allowed, hr dog a non yorkie was pretty smart, the fence they had had a warning that would beep, but not shock him, so he would sit on that line until the battery went dead then he would do whatever he wanted. I have also heard that dogs will see a bunny or the like get shocked on way out but won't go back in because they will get reshocked going back into the yard.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I agree...and Yorkies have such a "chase" trigger...if they see a cat or a squirrel, etc., I would be concerned mine would withstand any shock in order to pursue the game...unless it was a shock that actually stunned and knocked them down....and you certainly wouldnt want THAT!

Good point!

[yorkieusa]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I agree...and Yorkies have such a "chase" trigger...if they see a cat or a squirrel, etc., I would be concerned mine would withstand any shock in order to pursue the game...unless it was a shock that actually stunned and knocked them down....and you certainly wouldnt want THAT!

I agree. I have a fence and mine saw a rabbit run out of her yard and she must have forgotten about her fence, because she ran smack into it. I saw her turn her head down just before she crashed. I was so afraid she broke her neck or caused some other horrible injury, but she got lucky and didn't harm herself. She was sitting on my lap when she saw the rabbit and I didn't see it until she was off my lap and running. This gives you an idea of how strong their drive to chase really is.

[yorkietalkjilly]

I too fear Tibbe would draw back once the first time and then his prey drive would kick in and he would just go anyway.

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I agree...and Yorkies have such a "chase" trigger...if they see a cat or a squirrel, etc., I would be concerned mine would withstand any shock in order to pursue the game...unless it was a shock that actually stunned and knocked them down....and you certainly wouldnt want THAT!

I absolutely agree and would most definitely NOT want any fur baby stunned to knockdown. If that were the case, I would never have gotten the wireless fence for the "help a friend out and hang onto this dog a couple weeks so I can finish building my fence 'cuz he doesn't get along with my dog in the house, will you" 120+lb Shep/Lab mix rescue dog we 'owned' for the next 12+ years till he passed in Feb '11. DH was just a little too helpful with his friends. Technically, we (DH...'cuz I didn't find out till I got home to a dog tied out in the yard) should have turned them down but he knew them well and trusted they would be able to carry out their original plan.

Ziggy was a great dog...once I got him trained up a bit, and a quick learner, too...just too big to be indoors all day, even 3 hrs at a time, even with me only 3 miles away, and was getting tangled in small brush on a tie-out so he could be near enough to have shade during the day. The wireless fence was the only quick, viable alternative since we did not have a fenced yard either...and weren't planning to own the dog.

I saw it written that some dogs might run through the boundary and just keep on going or be afraid to go back in because of the tingle ("shock"). I would like to clarify one point, for those who have never had experience with a wireless fence whether or not they have formed an opinion as is their right and privilege...and I am not trying to excuse mis-use or abuse of a wireless fence, either...or belittle anyone's opinion. However, it is important to consider that the "shock" ("correction") delivered from the "electrodes" of a wireless fence's "collar" is delivered by not very powerful batteries (I believe they are 1.5 V for those who've stuck their tongue across the poles of a 9 V "transistor radio" battery), lacks any sort of fatal amperage, and is not an "electrocution" but rather an uncomfortable "tingle" because I believe this could be part of the horror felt emotionally with respect to wireless fences.

Also, I forget the exact timing, but it stops "correction delivery" after a few seconds out of the boundary anyway, and if they run back into the boundary from outside while the correction is occurring, the tingle stops immediately.

I wonder if people think there is a giant charred black hole or two left behind after correction, but I can assure you that there is not even a slightly red or even pinkish mark left on delicate human skin from the tingle, and none was found on Ziggy's neck either...I thoroughly examined him immediately the first and only time he 'forgot' the training, heard the beep and followed me through the boundary anyway. He was inches away from one boundary, but instead of turning back, ran completely around the end of the house to get inside the other boundary (we left one end of the house out of the boundary for 'reading meter' men), so if there would have been an injury, that would've been sufficient.

We also figured out a couple tricks 'cuz the 'beep' was all we needed for Ziggy, who was properly trained for the wireless fence...and a dog left in a wireless fence must be properly trained...IMHO...and say the instructions...and should respect the boundary on the BEEP...NOT THE CORRECTION !

Ziggy respected the boundary when he heard the beep even though I had the collar and he was not wearing it at all at that time in his training...and I did not cue him either. He did this repeatedly, long before ever wearing the collar !!! This is the reason for the training...so the correction is never needed...IMHO. The people who make these fences do not intend them to be used for inhumane purposes...as stated in their documentation. The correction continuation, if WE forgot to switch Ziggy's collar and rode him out of the fence in the capped rear of the truck, was a MAJOR concern for me! We fully tested the fence within the "product return period" prior to using it.

Not that I'd ever want them to experience the tingle, either. Ziggy ran out once accidentally and ran immediately back in. The second and last time he went through the boundary he also ran immediately back in...and he went through the 2nd time only because someone he loved and trusted...not me...called him through. After that, no amount of coercion was sufficient to get him within 10' or more of the boundary.

But, we had a Rott(en)Pit mix of DH's that DH feels certain would have 'man'd up' and charged through a wireless fence if he'd ever been in one...which he wasn't. Knowing the 'mama's baby' side of him, I am not certain, but the only use we ever had for the wireless fence was when we were stuck for being too nice helping someone else rescue a very sweet loving dog who needed someone's help...and it was a temporary measure.

We knew what the dog would feel long before the collar went on the dog. The dog was trained as to respecting the boundary long before he wore the collar...trained to the "beep" in other words. He found out by acident what disrespecting the boundary would do and by then, he wanted to stay with us anyway and never went near the road again...even when he could.

Our intent was not to put the dog in harm's way but to prevent harm to him out of his own 2+yr established habits sans training as an interim measure...a $300+ temporary wireless fence overnight is doable when a $3,000 permanent physical fence is not...nothing more...nothing less. There is a lot of discrepancy about wireless fences...perhaps people feel they are the same as 'wire' electric fences, but there are distinct differences, and I would NEVER consider a wired "cattle" type electric fence for a canine...I am not happy about their use with cattle!

I certainly understand considering using a wireless fence as an interim, temporary, measure. For a Yorkie, however, there is no reason to use a wireless fence that I can possibly imagine. A locked, anchored, capped xpen in a shaded area, non-brush space in the yard would be more than sufficient, and offer protection a wireless fence couldn't for the brief periods it might be needed...because a Yorkie is NOT an outdoors dog to begin with...it could be set up in minutes, purchased locally most likely, provide sufficient exercise area, and it would only be needed on potty and/or breaks since a Yorkie will fit quite nicely into a pretty small home the rest of the time.

I apologize for the length of this, but I hope it helps aid understanding what a wireless fence is and does...as well as what it does not do and won't do well....again...IMHO as an experienced former wireless fence user...a fence which has been turned OFF for many, many years now ! lol

Take care!