SET Yorkies

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by kjc

Because if you don't take her, I would have to seriously consider getting her myself!

I adopted a 5 year old.... 8 months to bond but we did it! He just had some issues to overcome from being with inexperienced owners and then at the Humane Society... he just wasn't ready to trust another human with his heart until I proved myself to him.

The two that came from breeders were no problem at all, having been raised and cared for by people who loved them... just a week or two to get to know each other, and their new surroundings and new schedules..

And my big girl from the Humane Society, OMGosh, she just goes nuts whenever I return from anywhere... even if it's only 5 minutes or so, lol. She just cannot believe I keep coming back for her, but I can see the joy in her expression. She was only 2.5 yo when I adopted her, and all she has ever wanted to do was to please me. We had to do some behavior modifications, but we are closer now than ever.

At 8 months, Ms Sillers' pup is still very much a puppy, and I really can't imagine any pup having bonding issues at that age. Yorkies, though devoted, have one of the strongest wills to live, and are good at adapting to new situations and new people, even though most of us like to think our pups would never make it with anyone else but us. Bonding issues more often occur when the owner misinterprets what the dog is doing, not because the dog isn't willing to bond.

I am very glad to know they bond quickly. I can't wait until she replies to me, I am really looking forward to seeing pictures and hopefully eventually buying her! I am sure she is absolutely adorable!

[kjc]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

I am very glad to know they bond quickly. I can't wait until she replies to me, I am really looking forward to seeing pictures and hopefully eventually buying her! I am sure she is absolutely adorable!

I'm so excited for you!!!!

[kjc]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

You are publicly grandstanding-without a true cause. Your comments etc., are out of context at this point. You are not rendering an opinion or giving advice, you are taking this thread completely off topic and without any justification. You do not have a pup from SET and you have no experience with them, from what I can tell you haven't researched them either, as I did, and I rendered my opinion and advice based on it -AS THE OP requested. !

Seems to me Lillymae was being held responsible for getting a member involved in this thread who was quite happy with her SET puppy. Her comment was that she had PM'd this member (now banned) months ago concerning another thread, not this one. Come to find out, the OP had PM'd this member and not Lillymae. She was only defending herself, which IMHO, is justification enough.

Originally Posted by lynzy420

So exactly why are you choosing this platform to defend someone that you have not even rendered an opinion on. (statement not a question). Not only that but you are asking Mod or Admin to dive in to personal P.M.'S? Seriously, this is ludicrous, to tell a Mod or Admin to do so to defend yourself against an unknown perceived threat is silly and very much over the line.

Now this paragraph really bothers me. I guess you would have to be on the receiving end of a few nasty PMs to understand this. She was only proving her inocence in this matter by offering Admin/Mods to review her PMs. Unknown perceived threat? Maybe to you as you haven't been a member here long enough to be aware of the history between members and unpleasantries that have occured in the past.

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Remember this site is owned and operated by Admin (gratefully) because he wants to, not because he has to and he does so always in an unbiased way, as do the mods, their restraint is amazing. It is my belief that most members wether Donators, Yackers, Admin or Mods are all here because of our genuine love for the breed. On YT it is all about the YORKIES and not about personal feelings, and I am sure there are many times that there is dialogue posted that Mods and Admin don't agree with but they adhere to the rules and guidelines that allow each of us to have a voice so that others may be educated, on the left and the right, to ultimately select the road that leads them to not just own a Yorkie but to further the cause for the ethical breeding and treatment of all Yorkies and animals.

And if you had taken the time to get to know Lillymae, you would have learned that she is a member on other forums owned and run by this Admin also. That she spends countless hours on YT offering help to those in need, in threads and in PMs, as many of us do, that she is involved and works with a rescue and owns five rescues herself, has helped in countless ways to help educate people on and off of YT about ethical breeding and treatment of animals. But you wouldn't know all this, because you haven't been here long enough.

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Nicole, all any of us want is to give you the tools to help you do what is right for the pup you select and the breed as a whole, and to enlighten you so that you can also become educated to the "Yorkie Cause" (and all pups...because if just one person is spared the pain that my pup and my family has been enduring the last 7 years, its worth it for me; If one person joins in to refuse to support puppymills, BROKERS and petshops...its worth it to me....

Good Luck Nicole I hope you do the right thing for you and your pup!

Now, you and I have exchanged PMs and had a few laughs, you sound like a smart lady, one I would choose to be friendly with and have been. I feel your post here is quite unfair, but, as I am forgiving to the point of being stupid, am willing to give you another chance. Maybe your judgement was off when you wrote this post, or you said you had been up all night which can influence our thoughts and perceptions. You are very wrong about Lillymae, and I was shocked to read your post here, and I think she deserves an apology from you, IMHO.

I apologize to all for going off topic one last time, especially to the OP. Lillymae is one my dearest friends, and I could not let this be.

[kjc]

Am I getting this right.... the only problem is their advertising? Their health guarantee of a year sounds excellent.... don't see that too often.

I do know that some decent breeders have taken to advertising pups in less than ideal places, like where BYBs might frequent, but I think that's a good thing, as I'm sure there are more unscrupulous breeders reaching more potential buyers through advertising than there are good breeders. One has to go where the people go. Maybe they have prevented an uneducated wanna be Yorkie owner from buying from a 'bad' breeder through advertising there too....

DNA testing is a good thing, and genetic testing as stated on their website. Breeders are an appropriate size...

Happy owners posting on their profile page.... they have contributed articles on the care of Yorkies to the YT Library

Seems like more pros than cons to me, IMHO

[gidget529]

NicoleNYC - Deb Sillers has a wonderful reputation. Both of my girls I currently own come from a well-known, show breeder w good reputation as well. I could not be happier. I got Gidget at 18 months and Sidney at 13 months. I, like you, wondered about the bonding w getting older dogs. My breeder was correct, these are ages where there still is puppy left in the dog, and they bonded very quickly w us. On top of that, they came potty trained. Well, I should clarify. Gidget was completely potty trained. Sidney still needed a little work, but she is completely trained now. Our breeder taught them manners, which was wonderful to get a dog that already had "puppy manners" taught to it. They do not bite fingers, are not destructive to house, etc.

I really think 8-9 months of age would be very nice, and I really would not worry about bonding. They are still quite young.

[yorkietalkjilly]

To me an older puppy has much better bladder and bowel control and pick up on schedules and routines must faster than younger pups. They are easier to train and adjust to their new life as they have had some experience with recognizing and anticipating schedules, which is very helpful in housebreaking. An older pup, though he needs to "go", can realize that at some point soon he will be taken outside or to his potty spot indoors and will try to hold it for the situation he's come to know as his potty spot and time.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kjc

Am I getting this right.... the only problem is their advertising? Their health guarantee of a year sounds excellent.... don't see that too often.

I do know that some decent breeders have taken to advertising pups in less than ideal places, like where BYBs might frequent, but I think that's a good thing, as I'm sure there are more unscrupulous breeders reaching more potential buyers through advertising than there are good breeders. One has to go where the people go. Maybe they have prevented an uneducated wanna be Yorkie owner from buying from a 'bad' breeder through advertising there too....

DNA testing is a good thing, and genetic testing as stated on their website. Breeders are an appropriate size...

Happy owners posting on their profile page.... they have contributed articles on the care of Yorkies to the YT Library

Seems like more pros than cons to me, IMHO

I just gotta ask......what were you looking at Maybe you need to go back over everyone else's observations because that is not what we picked up on at all. In the very least, she was advertising puppies to be guaranteed to top out at 3 lbs, on a TRADE AND BARTER page of Facebook at HUNDREDS OF $$$$ less than puppies offered to the OP. But to each his own, you are entitled to your opinion even if it is polar opposite to the opinions of many others.

If the bold portion of your statement is how you judge a member of YT I must be held pretty high because there are many articles that I have had made stickies on the YT libraries too.

[107barney]

The contract I had with my breeder guaranteed the dog's health without a time limit. I wouldn't sign the contact from AY because of the first paragraph only guaranteeing against Leggs Perthes for one year. My dog Teddy was diagnosed with Leggs Perthes at 2 years, 9 mos old. His breeder already stood by her contract when he was diagnosed with epilepsy at age two. One year guarantees against genetic defects don't impress me, and if AY edited that one word out I'd sign otherwise I would walk away. Sorry to say this but I've just spent too much money on theses issues to do it again and bear the whole responsibility emotionally.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by kjc

Seems to me Lillymae was being held responsible for getting a member involved in this thread who was quite happy with her SET puppy. Her comment was that she had PM'd this member (now banned) months ago concerning another thread, not this one. Come to find out, the OP had PM'd this member and not Lillymae. She was only defending herself, which IMHO, is justification enough.



Now this paragraph really bothers me. I guess you would have to be on the receiving end of a few nasty PMs to understand this. She was only proving her inocence in this matter by offering Admin/Mods to review her PMs. Unknown perceived threat? Maybe to you as you haven't been a member here long enough to be aware of the history between members and unpleasantries that have occured in the past.



And if you had taken the time to get to know Lillymae, you would have learned that she is a member on other forums owned and run by this Admin also. That she spends countless hours on YT offering help to those in need, in threads and in PMs, as many of us do, that she is involved and works with a rescue and owns five rescues herself, has helped in countless ways to help educate people on and off of YT about ethical breeding and treatment of animals. But you wouldn't know all this, because you haven't been here long enough.




Now, you and I have exchanged PMs and had a few laughs, you sound like a smart lady, one I would choose to be friendly with and have been. I feel your post here is quite unfair, but, as I am forgiving to the point of being stupid, am willing to give you another chance. Maybe your judgement was off when you wrote this post, or you said you had been up all night which can influence our thoughts and perceptions. You are very wrong about Lillymae, and I was shocked to read your post here, and I think she deserves an apology from you, IMHO.

I apologize to all for going off topic one last time, especially to the OP. Lillymae is one my dearest friends, and I could not let this be.

Seriously? While I enjoy being friendly with almost anyone and do appreciate that you contacted me to remove my daughters name and location (thanks again), and I applaud your loyalties to your friend LM (very nice of you), I will not defend myself on my own conclusions or opinions that I rendered based on my own research. I will continue to voice and advocate for Yorkies (and all animals) and unfortunately if it is upsetting to you or anyone else I am sorry for that, its not my intention, my only intention is to voice and advocate for the YORKIES, that is my priority.

I guess you will have to put me on your ignore list because with all due respect to every member here who does NOT agree with my school of thought, I am going to continue to advocate for them in any way I need to.

I would not ever purchase a pup from SET Yorkies or any place with their selling practices or that breed for Tinys.

I will not continue this dialogue in someone elses thread if you want to pm me re this topic, I will be happy to respond.

Nicole I am sorry, yet again, I thought this thread had moved past this...

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by gidget529

NicoleNYC - Deb Sillers has a wonderful reputation. Both of my girls I currently own come from a well-known, show breeder w good reputation as well. I could not be happier. I got Gidget at 18 months and Sidney at 13 months. I, like you, wondered about the bonding w getting older dogs. My breeder was correct, these are ages where there still is puppy left in the dog, and they bonded very quickly w us. On top of that, they came potty trained. Well, I should clarify. Gidget was completely potty trained. Sidney still needed a little work, but she is completely trained now. Our breeder taught them manners, which was wonderful to get a dog that already had "puppy manners" taught to it. They do not bite fingers, are not destructive to house, etc.

I really think 8-9 months of age would be very nice, and I really would not worry about bonding. They are still quite young.

So you have heard of her? She seems wonderful and she has pictures of competitions her dogs have won on her website as well.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I just gotta ask......what were you looking at Maybe you need to go back over everyone else's observations because that is not what we picked up on at all. In the very least, she was advertising puppies to be guaranteed to top out at 3 lbs, on a TRADE AND BARTER page of Facebook at HUNDREDS OF $$$$ less than puppies offered to the OP. But to each his own, you are entitled to your opinion even if it is polar opposite to the opinions of many others.

If the bold portion of your statement is how you judge a member of YT I must be held pretty high because there are many articles that I have had made stickies on the YT libraries too.

Haha! Wasn't 'looking' at anything... was trying to remember...lol, plus I was too tired to go back and reread all the posts. I wasn't 'judging' them as a 'member of YT', but as a breeder as many only come here to sell puppies and don't contribute anything. I haven't really formed an opinion yet, I'm still looking and gathering info.....

[NicoleNYC]

Originally Posted by 107barney

The contract I had with my breeder guaranteed the dog's health without a time limit. I wouldn't sign the contact from AY because of the first paragraph only guaranteeing against Leggs Perthes for one year. My dog Teddy was diagnosed with Leggs Perthes at 2 years, 9 mos old. His breeder already stood by her contract when he was diagnosed with epilepsy at age two. One year guarantees against genetic defects don't impress me, and if AY edited that one word out I'd sign otherwise I would walk away. Sorry to say this but I've just spent too much money on theses issues to do it again and bear the whole responsibility emotionally.

Well the good thing is Deb Siller's has a 5 year guarantee against defects and you can at that point either get another dog (not sure how anyone could do that) or she will refund up to the full price of the dog.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by NicoleNYC

Well the good thing is Deb Siller's has a 5 year guarantee against defects and you can at that point either get another dog (not sure how anyone could do that) or she will refund up to the full price of the dog.

Yes, I agree, the rest of her contract seems ok to me. But, I take issue with paragraph #1. Mostly because of the Leggs Perthes limitation since I have had experience with this. This is a very painful condition that will eventually cause my dog to go completely lame and require the head of his femur at the ball joint of his hip to need to be cut off. He will then have to hobble around for about 3 or 4 months while he heals scar tissue to create a false joint. Since the surgery can't be done until he goes lame (because he is already an adult), I have to wait. Sitting by and paying for consults w/ an orthopedic specialist every 6 months to assess my dog's gait, stature, movement, and objective measure of necropsy of his bone (dying of the bone) is emotionally draining. It's not fair to a dog who already has epilepsy. The cost of surgery for LCP is about $3,000 to $4,000 in the northeast when done by an ACVS surgeon.

I have to also say that the first paragraph only covering high grade LPs up to a year bothers me some as well. High grade LPs are almost NEVER the result of trauma, they are due to poor confirmation of the dog, which is a genetic issue. LP is a known genetic condition. Surgery can involve cutting deep into the tibial groove of the bone and making a wedge to take it out. Recovery is about 3 months, with full recovery taking longer. The price on that surgery is about $3,000 in the northeast, done by an ACVS surgeon when all is said and done.

With all this said, if I was interested in a breeder's dog, I would state and explain my issues with the contract. A reasonable breeder might consider this food for thought and would even edit the contract. I feel I am giving a dog the absolute best care that I can and remaining committed to my dogs NO MATTER WHAT. A reputable breeder would be trying to buy me as much as I would try to buy them.

[lynzy420]

RE: contracts, I know they are important, I had a great one with the STORE that brokered my puppy from HUNTE CORP (STEVE'S WONDERFUL WORLD OF PETS), when it all came down to it, I had a profoundly sick pup that I had bonded with that they wanted me to hand over to them for a "new and better pup", that was not going to happen, while I did get the cost (AFTER I STOOD IN THE STORE AND CAUSED A SCENE) up to what I paid for the pup, it was a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the surgery she needed on her eyes. I had to pay first then submit receipts and I honestly felt "dirty" after I received the check.

In the end, the contract was useless for me because my only concern was for My Miss Mini and I no longer wanted contact with them because once I realized the "whole picture" of what they stood for, I just couldn't....

My second pup has heart issues (that we are hoping she outgrows) the owner couldn't be more helpful and/saddened. I do not fault the owner, his breeding pair were checked out, well taken care of and had 1 litter with no defects...this litter had 3 with 2 defective pups. The owner has had both of his pups "fixed". He did try to reimburse me but my husband and I said no, we are grateful for the pup and will take care of her. The owner sent me a check anyway. Soooo...

Like people, there are no guarantees that any pup will be 100% healthy, but if you do the process of elimination and choose a breeder who is responsible and ethical, your chances of getting a healthy pup are much better, and a good experience with the owners is priceless!

All I know is I could never give my pups back, and their love and loyalty to me is reward enough, that there is nothing I wouldn't do for them.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

RE: contracts, I know they are important, I had a great one with the STORE that brokered my puppy from HUNTE CORP (STEVE'S WONDERFUL WORLD OF PETS), when it all came down to it, I had a profoundly sick pup that I had bonded with that they wanted me to hand over to them for a "new and better pup", that was not going to happen, while I did get the cost (AFTER I STOOD IN THE STORE AND CAUSED A SCENE) up to what I paid for the pup, it was a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the surgery she needed on her eyes. I had to pay first then submit receipts and I honestly felt "dirty" after I received the check.

In the end, the contract was useless for me because my only concern was for My Miss Mini and I no longer wanted contact with them because once I realized the "whole picture" of what they stood for, I just couldn't....

My second pup has heart issues (that we are hoping she outgrows) the owner couldn't be more helpful and/saddened. I do not fault the owner, his breeding pair were checked out, well taken care of and had 1 litter with no defects...this litter had 3 with 2 defective pups. The owner has had both of his pups "fixed". He did try to reimburse me but my husband and I said no, we are grateful for the pup and will take care of her. The owner sent me a check anyway. Soooo...

Like people, there are no guarantees that any pup will be 100% healthy, but if you do the process of elimination and choose a breeder who is responsible and ethical, your chances of getting a healthy pup are much better, and a good experience with the owners is priceless!

All I know is I could never give my pups back, and their love and loyalty to me is reward enough, that there is nothing I wouldn't do for them.

I did not suggest that an air tight contract will give you a 100% healthy puppy. But it does help the buyer when they are standing there broken hearted with a sick dog to get the breeder to stand behind the dog. No breeder should take $2,000 or more for a dog who needs 5 times that in care. A good breeder will turn it back into the dog. A contract helps you achieve that. That's really all.