Yes, I can understand that. ZoE just turned a year old a few weeks ago and when she was about 10 months old, her breeder called out of the blue to see how she was doing and to make sure she hadn't developed any health issues she should be aware of.

Ha ha, Joey's breeder has never made me feel like that. I know she will be a valuable resource if I ever need to make any important health decision. I also depend on a great relationship with my vet, but having Joey's breeders input will make me much more confident in my decisions. I think it’s important for breeders to stay in their clients lives because otherwise, how will they know what type of job they’ve done? Anyway, Joey's breeder is more like a good Grandma, not a surrogate mother.

Please don't ever buy from a puppy mill, there is no excuse for it. Your just as guilty as the mill breeder by supporting them buy buying one of their pups. Your putting misery onto those poor dogs. Do you have any idea what happens to those parents?
For example, nearby recently, a guy who worked for a puppy mill came forward with all that saw that happened at one before he quit. One of the common things was to brutally kill the adult yorkies once they would no longer produce. You really want to contribute to that?

It might seem frustrating but it just takes research and time. When you buy a car for example do you not check it out thoroughly? The dealership, the make, and model, what to look for? Or do you just buy the first car you see, no questions asked.
Same thing for a dog. You do your research ahead of time. It can be a lengthy process but worth it in the end. I've always established a good relationship with the breeder long before I got a puppy.
Secondly you accept the fact that if you want a good healthy yorkie from a good breeder you may have to travel a bit to get one. PA is well known for their puppy mills so you are more likely to find a puppy mill than a good breeder there.

I haven't traveled less than 2 hours for one of my yorkies. For example, I went to Indiana for one, and Maryland for another. It was well worth it because I knew what I wanted and what I was getting.
It would have been so much easier to get a yorkie pup 5 minutes away from where I live by just going to a puppy mill. But not worth playing a part in putting those dogs in misery for the rest of their lives.
I myself have sold puppies out of state. All have driven here to meet me and my dogs as it was their better option not the most convenient one.

I wish it was easier to find a good breeder but puppy mills and back yard breeders far out number the good breeders. And with yorkies being such a popular breed it adds even more bad breeders who are looking to make money to the mix.:(

I don't understand that. They don't tell you how to raise your yorkie. They may make suggestions or offer tips but that is for your benefit. Most have been doing this for a long time and know a thing or two.

What happens if you dog develops a condition? Or has food issues or training issues? You would want a breeder around then to help. But if you have no relationship with that breeder that isn't likely to happen.

I have a great relationships with all the people I have sold pups to. I hear from them often. I never tell them how to raise their pup but do give tips and suggestions anytime they ask and they seem grateful to have someone to go to that they can trust.

What is so special about buying a dog? I always look to a rescue or pound first. Do a petfinder search and you will be amazed at the number of high quality dogs available for adoption in your area. Or if you prefer, every single breed specific rescue is bursting at the seams with dogs that other people bought and threw away. Every new puppy born adds to the pet over population problem, no matter how the breeder justifies it.

For others looking for a purebred dog: Go to the AKC website and look for the listing of breed clubs and conformation clubs in your area. There is a place to search for these. If you can contact people who belong to these clubs they may be able to point you in the direction of someone who breeds Yorkies in your general area. Of course you still need to do your home work and investigate the breeder and try to get references. Just because a person shows does not mean they have great stock or are necessarily honest although once you sort through your prospects you may find just the right breeder.

The following website seems to be doing what I suggested on a small scale:
http://www.greenfieldpuppies.com

Has anyone bought puppies from this website?

That particular website is run by brokers; they buy dogs from different breeders and sell to the public. They say “We visit our breeders, inspect their puppies and their facilities before we place their puppies for sale on our site. We have a strict no puppy mill policy and all of the puppies on our site carry a 30 day health guarantee. If you are looking for puppies for sale in PA, look no further!" But what they may call a puppy mill and what I call a puppy mill are two different things. A good breeder never sells to a broker. Furthermore, Pennsylvania has some of the worse puppy mills in the country.

Do you know that for a fact? If so, how did you come across that information?

The quotes I used were from their website. They say that they buy from different breeders and that's the definition of a puppy broker.

Here's some more information on "What's a puppy broker." http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2011...puppy-brokers/

I think you might be reading into that too much. On their "About Us" page, they say:

"We are an advertising source for reputable breeders throughout Southeastern Pennsylvania."

That doesn't sound like a puppy broker to me.

Just curious...YorkieMan10, are you affiliated with Greenfieldpuppies?

That site looks like a puppy mill broker to me. :thumbdown

A small scale??? They have hundreds and hundreds of dogs listed. I only looked at the Yorkies, but they sure didn't all look to be a good representation of the breed.

Really?


Welcome to my thread... you seem to have a lot of catching up to do....

Hahaha...I actually did read your thread. ;) Thanks for the welcome.

Yep, I completely agree. :thumbup:

That's just a lie; little Sandra will be available at only 8 weeks...
She is also ACA registered... There are Very few reasons for a breeder to not akc register, and none of them are good.

Agree about what?

You seem very defensive to me.

I was asking a very serious question too when I asked if you were affiliated with greenfield puppies. They look like an obvious puppy mill broker to me...just wondering why you were posting their site and showing support for them.

If you take a closer look at my post, you'll see that I quoted Nancy. I was obviously agreeing with her. ;) :rolleyes:

And you sound like you're here to stir up some trouble.

How is that so obvious? Their "About Us" page says otherwise.

I asked a few serious questions and I am now showing support? Really?

I certainly wasn't throwing out assumptions about you...I asked a question...which you have not answered yet.

Are you in any way affiliated with greenfield puppies?

Of course if you are, you probably wouldn't want to admit it. But, I am well within my rights to ask.

Not saying you are doing this at all, but you must understand that breeders, puppy millers, brokers, etc. come here to promote their sites all the time.

Then you obviously don't know me very well. I don't look for ways to "stir up trouble". Not my style! ;)

Okay, perhaps they just accept payment to advertise the dogs, it really doesn't make any difference to me. No reputable breeder would sell this way.

Once again...I agree here with Nancy. To me, they are NO different than a puppy broker.

Of course, this is just my opinion. :rolleyes:

Did a quick search here on YT for Greenfield puppies and found this old thread. Pretty interesting read. :eek:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...d-puppies.html


There are many other threads about them...just haven't read through them yet.

Yorkieman10, I have been following your thread, and I think I understand what you are trying to say. But let me share my story. I wanted a dog. Now, when I was young, my father came home with a Purebred Chi from a friend (no idea of the history of that one), and I added another Chi mix because of an OOPS breeding of a friend's dog...but I was now an adult, and I decided I wanted a dog. Being the personality that I am I did my research. (It took me 12 months of research before I bought my first car...reading reviews and ratings...then I walked into a dealer, chose the car and bought it in under 60 mins) When it came time to find a dog, I researched what made a good breeder, I researched what breed would best fit my needs...I went to dog shows to see/meet possible breeds that I had not really considered. Then I went to the CKC (I'm Canadian) and the Canadian Guide to Dog Breeds to find the breeder of the breed I wanted in my location...then I visited homes...at the first home the breeder seemed great, dogs looked good, she answered my questions, but it didn't just "feel" right. The next home I visited, she answered my questions, allowed me to see the pups (3 wks old), meet the dame and the father. We talked about my needs, and she determined which of the 3 puppies in that litter would be the best fit for me. We arranged a time for pick-up and I placed a deposit. I'm not particularly "close" to my breeder, but I've called when I've had a question and she has been a great support when my puppy turned out to have some skin issues. She also provided a 5 year health guarantee...not 30 days!

But that's me...and I know many people like yourself that say, "I don't want a show dog", why go to a "show breeder". The answer to that question is, you don't need to show a dog from a show breeder, but if your breeder's only purpose in breeding is to make money...then you might as well stick your money in the slot machine and see what comes out...because I am certain that a breeder breeding for money is not wasting that precious commodity on things like health checks, vet appointment, quality food etc. If you don't want the "standard" of the breed you are looking to get...then go to a rescue. They are full of puppies of "oops" litters, and rescued puppy mill dogs and others that have been "rejected" because their owners did not do their research and make the appropriate choices. In fact, the dog I bought through the above process is my Miniature Schnauzer, and my Yorkie in fact is from rescue. She came with papers, due to a change in circumstance her original owner could not keep her, and her so-called "breeder" wouldn't help her out...she would rather see her end up in rescue or a pound...

I apologize for the long reply, but its important to echo a number of the statements made in this thread. If you do your research and buy from a reputable breeder, you will have a resource for the lifetime of your puppy. People who want to buy without doing the research should look to a rescue or pound for their dog...after all any breeder who is breeding for money and not to improve the breed should not be considered an option...and if you can't stop yourself from looking at those poor dogs in the pet store, stop visiting the pet store...I have. And if you can't delay the gratification that doing the research requires than you are at risk for making a poor choice, and I'll likely soon find your puppy on Petfinder.com looking for a new home.

The problem is that it seems to be the popular opinion on YT that no reputable breeder posts their puppies online for sale. Yet, there are people in this forum who are doing just that. And, for some reason, that's okay. But, if you go outside of YT -- anywhere outside of it -- all puppies for sale are being sold by brokers or they come from puppy mills. Why that might be true in many cases, it just doesn't make good sense to instantly assume that is the case for every website that has puppies for sale.

There is nothing interesting about this thread. All I see are a bunch of assumptions and no facts.

I will respectfully let Nancy speak for herself.

As for myself, it is my opinion that the site seems to be a puppy broker. You are obviously in support of them. If that is your opinion...then so be it. I wish you the best of luck in whatever way you choose to find a puppy.

For everyone else reading this thread: There are MANY ways to buy a puppy that is NOT from a puppy mill. I should know, as I have two and they are not from puppy mills. I went to show breeders who breed to show dogs and better the breed. You can find these breeders by going to local dog shows and by going to websites such as YTCA...as was suggested by many others on this thread. I would NEVER by a puppy from a broker or a puppy miller. There are better options available.