someone help me! ckc registration question here.
 

I purchased my darling Gabby, on Craigslist this past labor day. I was her 4th owner, and only paid a rehoming fee of $150. I was very blessed I was able to find another "CKC" yorkie playmate for my Harley, whom also is CKC registered. I received the registration papers for him at time of purchase, which is stated in the CKC guidelines and regulations. The people I got Gabby from gave me all her paperwork and vet records from the previous owners; even a "condition of sale" agreement from the first buyer. Long story short, the breeder did not do what she was supposed to do by CKC rules. She made up contract and sold dog for $750 w/o papers and after buyer spayed gabby she wanted receipt for proof and then would send papers. The owner got rid of gabby, and didnt spayed her. I contacted the breeder and she wants $300 from me and then she will send me the original application for registration for Gabby. I am her 4th owner and I am not the original buyer. I love gabby and am very blessed to have her.

Now Gabby might be pregnant, (not planned) and I know people who would love to purchase their puppies, but do not have Gabby's papers, and people want the papers. :(

Has anyone else run into anything like this or have advice for me on what to do? I did contact CKC and they are sending me complaint papers. AND registering litter of puppies is FREEE. :confused:

I doubt you will ever get papers and nor are you entitled to them. This breeder didnt want this dog bred thats why she was withholding the papers untill proof of spay

Oh I just reread and saw where she wants $300 for the registration application. Well if you want papers you are going to have to pay it. She wanted the dog spayed and put that in her contract so she has no obligation to give you papers. I know its the original owner should have had her spayed or when they rehomed they should have given a copy of the contract. That obviously didnt happen so your stuck with lemons

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She emailed me and told me that Gabby would've been sold originally w/ papers for $1200 if that is what the original owner was wanting to do with the dog. And told me this was her business aspect of it and wanted $300 from me to get that paper I need to get her registered. And that she paid $2400 on gabby's daddy and his grandfather was 2005 best in show......but to me this this has nothing to do with anything by CKC regulations and guidlines. The breeder/owner is supposed to give the registation paper at time of transfer if you are selling the dog as a CKC registered dog. AND SHE DID SELL HER AS CKC registered.

I read thinking I may be,able to add input but am confused. I read three times but still don't understand. You got Gabby for $150 then she was sold again for $750? Or was she sold before you bought her to someone else for $750 then returned and you bougjt het for $150 thinking she was spayed but she wasn't now she is pregnant and you need papers to sell puppies?
I'm not sure if I said it all right but in honesty, after learning so much on YT, you may want to save the time and just rehome the babies as pets. I got AKC papers for my guy and never sent them in. Since I'm not showing him or breeding, he is my personal AKC ( All Kinds of Cute).
When I see an ad for CKC puppy, I have to resist the urge to ask why they aren't AKC.
I would just not struggle with the breeder for CKC papers and concentrate on good homes for the puppies then spay Gabby.
Is the dad AKC or CKC? I'm no breeder nor do I know a lot, just didn't want you to stress out thinking the babies may not get hones if they don't have papers.
Good luck to you guys.

Yes I understand but she had in her contract for the dog to be spayed in which the original owner should have did before she went to the next . owner. It is common for breeders to have that in their contract. Now what she is saying is you need to pay the difference for from a pet yorkie ( in which she intended) to a breeder yorkie in which the original owner didnt pay for. Because of her contract she has that right. Like I said you have lemmons because the original owner didnt do what they were supposed to do

I agree with Chachi. Sounds like you'll have to pay the breeder the fee she wants. Coming up with the fee shouldn't be too hard as you are selling the puppies. Honestly, if your potential buyers only knew a CKC registry is not good (the preferred registry of mills, and byb's), they probably could care less about the papers.

I feel bad for this yorkie, 4th owner, and used only as a breeder:(

I thought your little one had a liver shunt.:eek: Is this the same one?

Why would anyone insist on having CKC registered puppies?:rolleyes:

IT is sad that I am her 4th owner. She is a wonderful dog, but just has jumping and nipping issues. she listens when you tell her to stop biting but she forgets. :( she jumps bc she is so happy to see people. i hope i can get her to stop. she is the most lovable huggable dog unlike my harley, he is more independant. he just always wants to play fetch. they get a long great and they are sooo much fun and fun to watch.

I had diapers on gabby and kept my dogs seperated when i was at work or out running errands. I turned my back for a few minutes while I was cleaning my living room and realized they were MIA, so i went to front room and there they were, locked cheek to cheek, through the diaper and all. i was devasted. i personally wanted to wait until after her third heat cycle if I WERE going to breed her and educate myself on breeding yorkies before doing so.:(

the difference between ckc and akc is the size and markings of the dog i guess. to be akc the yorkie has to meet certain height and weight measurements. akc has much higher standards. but i love both my dogs just the way they are. just need to get past this hump. no pun intended..........

It came back negative and vet just thinks she ate something bad and had reaction. they did complete blood panel on her and she is in great health.
did shunt test on her and sent off her bloodwork to A&M university. I was so happy this was not the case. i was so scared, but after i did some reading up on it, i kind of expected negative results, but is a scarey thing when something like this happens. I don't like to take any risks with my dogs and take them to the vet for everything and anything.:animal-pa

Well I thought you just had an oops litter and never really intended to breed her. It sickens me that this poor dog has been passed around and passed around to end up in a home where she is gonna be a breeder. Thats all Im going to say because quite frankly I dont think very highly of you and what you are doing.

Is this the reputable Canadian Kennel Club or is this the paper registry, Continental Kennel Club? You can register any dog with the Continental Kennel Club even a mixed breed. People who don’t have breeding rights to dogs often register the offspring with the Continental Kennel Club. The papers are worthless.

I don't know who told you this, but this is totally wrong. There are many differences between the AKC and the CKC, but it has nothing to do with markings or if the dog meets a standard. The AKC insists on proof that the dog is purebred and the breeder has breeding rights. The CKC (Contenental Kennel Club) does not insist on any proof whatsoever, and you do not have to have breeding rights. The CKC papers are worthless, it was started to mislead unsuspecting buyers because there is a reputable CKC, the Canadian Kennel Club.

it was an oops litter, i didn't purchse her to breed her. i got her as a playmate for my other yorkie. like i said, i wanted to educate myself IF i decided to do any such thing. you don't even know me:confused:....Gabby is in her forever home.

I am sorry if anyone thinks ill will of me or offended anyone. I had an unexpected situation happen and an issue to go along with that unexpected situation. I didn't come here to be judged or frowned upon. i have the best dogs and would do anything and everything to do what was best for them. i always try to educate myself and call my vet for any concerns when it comes to my babies. I am a new yorkie owner as my oldest is two and my youngest is one. I am still learning. :( i know nothing about breeding, or the whole registration thing. i came here for help.

I guess there is a presumption of "help" being one with conditions on this site by some.

When you come on to YT with the scenario as you have just described...that's what you will get. It's like you picked all the worst things possible to include in your plea for "help" and unfortunately...it appears you have not done enough research before diapering an unspayed female in the presence of an unneutered male...both of those dogs your own.

Now you'd like to skim past the most horrendous of mistakes and rush off to learn about papering your female & litter...? Really?:rolleyes:

So you brought in an unspayed female, with an intact male. You kindof didn't intend to breed her until after her third heat? May I ask how old she is right now?

So in my opinion, you did at least want to keep your options open, and therefor were purchasing a "breeding" bitch for $150. Wow. I commend you for following up with the breeder. But you have now bred her, and in all good faith you should likely pay this breeder the $300. Have an exchange of money for filled out paperwork.

I wish a healthy whelp and do hope you have a knowledgeable vet and mentor in place, you will need both, as a novice breeder.

And for future reference belly bands and diapers are not contraceptive gear. You must keep your dogs separated, crated, and in separate rooms, exercised separately etc, to insure no OOPSEY pregnancies. BTW this should be for at least 5wks

And let's not forget to mention that "if" breeding were even the remotest thing in your mind you should hope that either of these two are of breeding quality.

This is such a sad scenario...and they just never end.:(

A diaper is not a chastity belt, it will do nothing from keeping them from tying.

The difference between ckc and akc is not just the size and marking of the dog. CKC (if it is Continental) is completely worthless, and you shouldn't pay the breeder money for worthless papers.

I can't believe it took this long for someone to ask this. That was my first question!

So, the breeder sold the dog on a limited registration pending a spay. The first owner didn't comply. Now you, the 4th owner want the breeder to cough up breeding rights to the girl. Am I understanding this correctly?

It seems pretty simple to me. The breeder did nothing wrong with selling the dogs without the papers on condition of a spay. It's what responsible breeders do to control their lines. If you want the rights and she's willing to sell the to you, then you have to buy them at the price she set. She's under no obligation to sell them to you, as her contract was never with you.

How many dogs do you have now, and are any of them spayed or neutered? The best for them is to have them altered. Not only will it cut back the chances of them getting certain cancers, it will 100% keep your female from pyometria, which can be a deadly condition.

About your registration questions, if they are no AKC, there is absolutely NO reason to pay the money to have them registered. The papers you get will be worthless. And if the puppies that will be sold are to people who only want papers, any papers, they don't know those aren't worth anything either, and no papers are needed. Heck, print some out of your own computer, they will have the same worth.

Me too! Good advice - no sense struggling with the breeder, in my opinion.

While I agree with most you posted, I don't agree that this particular breeder is responsible. CKC registration first of all. Second, is ok with selling breeding rights of one of her dogs to a complete strange as long as she forks over $300. I think this whole situation is messed up starting from the breeder.

Yes I know. I'm assuming this is Continental and not Canadian kennel club. So what more can I say? Why would any breed worthy dog be shown in Continental?:rolleyes:
I think I will petition my CKC to change their name. How about THE ONLY CKC that matters? Or LCKC. Legitimate Canadian Kennel club.

I agree!!!! You would think the breeder would have a concern that this dog has been rehomed several times and is now gonna be made a breeder. But she just wants money

I agree that this isn't the most responsible breeder in the world. But if I'm reading things correctly, the original contract required a spay before papers were produced. The fact that she's willing to sell them now for extra $ doesn't speak all that highly of her ethics, but neither should she be expected to hand them over just because a 4th owner wants them. Personally, I would have told the new owner "tough luck".

In a nutshell, what some are saying is CKC paperwork isnt worth fighting the breeder for. Being CKC registered won't make the puppies any more valuable or any less lovable.

i guess i never should have come here. from what i am learning from all of you is that i paid $300 for my first CKC dog with papers. and the papers are worthless.

i wanted a playmate for my male dog and my one and only son went off to college and was needing a little something more to help me with my empty nest syndrome. i shopped around for two months two find the most compatible playmate for my dog, who happened to be a "bitch".... but contacted the breeder AS SOON as i bought her knowing how much she cost and then received email saying that her dad was $2400 and she is worth so much more and blah blah blah and everyone is telling me the papers are worthless? and she wants to charge me $300 for worthless papers?

AND i'm a money grabber when intitially before i got gabby i wanted to mate harley with a female to trade his service for one of his puppies. and then make his puppy his playmate........and then get him fixed.

so i am PURE EVIL i guess because i turned my back for five minutes and admit to failure. and then ask because I DONT KNOW.

You need to get your girl spayed now and then get your boy neutered. If you are the girls 4th home that poor baby has been through to much to be a mom in my opinion. CKC papers are useless because anyone can register there dog as a pure breed when it may not be.