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Ilovemy2Yorkies 12-08-2011 12:02 AM

Breeding
 
I have a few questions re: breeding. My female Yorkie, Chloe was mated on Dec 3rd & again on the 5th. Both days they tied several times. What I'm unsure of us whether or not she was ovulating because she was still spotting blood & actually still is here & there. Is it true that she would have rejected the male if she weren't ready? How will I know when she is pregnant? She's been very active these past few days & actually has been humping our female Chiuaha as well as our small 6 month old Yorkie. Is it normal for her to still have a sex drive even after mating? Should I mate her one more time in the next few days? And no, I'm not a breeder, but I am a Yorkie lover as well as many of my family members who all want a puppy if Chloe does turn out to be pregnant. Thank you all in advance for your wonderful advice & suggestions.

Lovetodream88 12-08-2011 07:12 AM

Did you have her and her mate checked for any health issues? Is she a great example of the the breed as well as her mate? Are you willing to risk her life to have puppies? These are just some of the things you need to think about before breeding and if no was the answer to those questions you should take her in and have her spayed as soon as possible.

gidget529 12-08-2011 07:20 AM

I see your Chloe is a little over a year old. Is this her first heat cycle? Have you whelped before? Are you prepared financially if a C section is needed. If something goes wrong during the whelp and she needs emergency care, are you able to know when things are going wrong? Do you have breeding rights according to her registration? You do need to be there to assist her w the whelp. Also, if you have no whelping exp, really someone should be there w you who does. Things to be considered when getting into breeding a small toy dog.

bellemarie 12-08-2011 07:34 AM

welcome to yorkietalk!

she could just stay fertile for a longer time than most...
gidget-:eek: where did you find that? Ilovemy2Yorkies- is that true? if so, breeding her is very irresponsible and she needs a mismate- she may as well be an 11yr old girl having a baby at that age... if not, can we please know her age, number of cycles and size (it is all relevant in trying to help answer)

btw, you ARE a breeder; you have deliberately bred your dog, so you are now a breeder- what kind you chose to be however is entirely up to you and you alone.
you say you mated them several times a day- do you own the male? were they supervised throughout? is the stud owner experienced at all if you don't own him?

gidget529 12-08-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3752818)
welcome to yorkietalk!

she could just stay fertile for a longer time than most...
gidget-:eek: where did you find that? Ilovemy2Yorkies- is that true? if so, breeding her is very irresponsible and she needs a mismate- she may as well be an 11yr old girl having a baby at that age... if not, can we please know her age, number of cycles and size (it is all relevant in trying to help answer)

btw, you ARE a breeder; you have deliberately bred your dog, so you are now a breeder- what kind you chose to be however is entirely up to you and you alone.
you say you mated them several times a day- do you own the male? were they supervised throughout? is the stud owner experienced at all if you don't own him?

Her profile page info.

bellemarie 12-08-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3752867)
Her profile page info.

ah.
OP- do your little girl a big favour and get her the mis-mate; not only is her body probably not ready for a litter, but she is mentally still a puppy herself- so how can she be expected to know how to raise a litter to be well adjusted dogs?

oh, and as for her humping the chi- that is probably her asserting dominance because she has been bred... be careful it doesn't escalate to fighting; all Puppies will have to find their place in the pack, and can get very unpleasant if not properly dealt with (i.e. can end in fatalities).

gemy 12-08-2011 10:04 AM

I suggest you consult your vet with your questions. It is what they are there for.

And for your info: you are now a breeder - deliberatly impregnated a year old girl -

A responsible person will take the time to ask questions before leaping into risking the life of their female dog. Study even.

katienme2002 12-08-2011 10:21 AM

Ok, I am totally against non knowledgeable people breeding, these are questions you should know the answer to prior to breeding. Not trying to be mean or ugly here BUT I have a puppymill rescue and let me tell you, this poor girl went through the ringer for "the love of puppies"..Makes me sick, and you are a breeder, for whatever reason. Sorry if this post was negative, but your research should have started before you bred the dogs. Are they registered? Have they been health tested? Etc?

Bitsy 12-08-2011 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by katienme2002 (Post 3752958)
Ok, I am totally against non knowledgeable people breeding, these are questions you should know the answer to prior to breeding. Not trying to be mean or ugly here BUT I have a puppymill rescue and let me tell you, this poor girl went through the ringer for "the love of puppies"..Makes me sick, and you are a breeder, for whatever reason. Sorry if this post was negative, but your research should have started before you bred the dogs. Are they registered? Have they been health tested? Etc?

:thumbup: :thumbup:

carmen in nj 12-08-2011 11:51 AM

I might get a bad name here but for the sake of your bitch here it goes...
FIRST... put aside about $3,000.00 for a posible C-section
with that said..Oviously you don't know anything about whelping, yes that comes after breeding. Your bitch can become pregnant with ONE tie,Knowledable breeders breed their bitches ONE time a day,or you will depleat the males sperm count with multiples in one day. then to make sure if male is available they mate them again two days later.I ALWAYS help my pair and hold them thru the tie, so my bitch don't go crazy on the male and hurt him. specially with maiden YOUNG bitches like yours.Never breed before second Season, but too late for YOURS..
here is some sites so you can READ and get to know more or less what to do ..
1. Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.
READ and RE READ this site
2. Familiarize yourself with the Whelping process and start buying the NECESSARY supplies ( about $175.00 or more )
a). Dog Pregnancy Supplies | Puppy Newborn Care Products | Revival Animal Health

3. Find a QUIET WARM place to place the whelping box
4.Get the Whelping Box ready... NO NEWSPAPER or cardboard boxes PLEASE..
a rubbermaid container with a doorway cut out is perfect, bleach it and clean it prior to let your bitch use it, get her used to the box with time, don't wait until she starts looking on her own for a place to have her babies...
5. Good food and higene is a MOST while she is pregnant.
6. ASK Questions, THE LIFE OF YOUR GIRL IS IN YOUR HANDS... SHE CAN DIE ON THEM, SO PLEASE ASK YOUR VET ANY QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME TO YOU MIND,
7. Go to the BREEDERS section, you are a breeder whether you like the tittle or not,
get familiar with lingo and procedures.
8. Good luck.. your bitch is going to need it... she is young and you are not experience..

laci32 12-08-2011 12:19 PM

Walks out of this thread slamming the door

laci32 12-08-2011 12:21 PM

Carmen:thumbs_up

RachelandSadie 12-08-2011 12:54 PM

disgusted once again with the determination of some people to reproduce puppies with their dog with NO PRIOR EDUCATION ABOUT BREEDING!!

Oh look it's a female in tact, let's breed her and make puppies oh what fun that will be!! (eye roll)

And then a few months later we hear this:

We lost mom during the whelping process, had to have an emergency C-section and it didn't go well, now I'm out $3000 bucks and only one puppy survived and I have no idea how to feed it or take care of it without mom. So pup eventually dies too and all it's siblings died in the birth canal when they got stuck and you had to rush to the ER vet in the middle of the night for that emergency C-section that was given way too late.


NICE STORY ISN'T IT!?! Well i'm sick of hearing it happen.

You want real advice, spay your female and save her life as well as the lives of the pups you know nothing about caring for.

I hope I made a point without getting myself into too much trouble, but I do believe in tough love to wake people up from their dream worlds.

Rhetts_mama 12-08-2011 01:07 PM

"I am not a breeder.". No matter how many times I hear it, it still cracks me up ( but not in good way.)

Sigh.

Wait for me, Laci.

capt_noonie 12-08-2011 02:12 PM

Let me share a story with you all. My foster, also named Chloe's former owners tried to breed her once. She had to have an emergency c-section due to complications during whelp. She only had one puppy and it died. The vet then performed an immediate spay on her. She almost died as well. Now she has a huge scar on her belly from this. Chloe was lucky, she didn't die. Why someone would want to risk their baby like this is beyond me.

I don't understand why anyone would go through all this, and then just give away the puppies. Why don't you just buy them one from a reputable breeder who actually knows what they are doing? Better yet, rescue one from the shelter, or adopt a rescue.

YOU ARE ADDING TO THE PET OVERPOPULATION. YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE AND MORE PERFECTLY HEALTHY DOGS BEING PUT DOWN.

Bitsy 12-08-2011 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3753162)
Let me share a story with you all. My foster, also named Chloe's former owners tried to breed her once. She had to have an emergency c-section due to complications during whelp. She only had one puppy and it died. The vet then performed an immediate spay on her. She almost died as well. Now she has a huge scar on her belly from this. Chloe was lucky, she didn't die. Why someone would want to risk their baby like this is beyond me.

I don't understand why anyone would go through all this, and then just give away the puppies. Why don't you just buy them one from a reputable breeder who actually knows what they are doing? Better yet, rescue one from the shelter, or adopt a rescue.

YOU ARE ADDING TO THE PET OVERPOPULATION. YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE AND MORE PERFECTLY HEALTHY DOGS BEING PUT
DOWN
.

And this is what breaks my heart.
I didnt know Chloe's story. That is sooooo sad. I'm so glad she's been rescued.

dawn27 12-08-2011 02:34 PM

Of course she is very active, she's in heat and instinct is to breed. She will continue to breed as long as you allow it. It is possible for dogs to tie at any time, unusual for her to accept the male if she wasn't ready. That being said mark your calendar for the first time they tied and be ready.

It wont be easy, prepare yourself. Have all of your supplies ready and a vet. on call.

slthoeny 12-08-2011 03:32 PM

I understand everyone's frustration, anger, dismay, and all the other emotions shown. I do not disagree with the statements I have read, but it could be done more constructively in my opinion. Several times I have noticed someone coming to the site for advice. They appear to be ingnorant when it comes to breeding, and the dangers that come with it. They must be willing to listen, that is why they came here. Ignorance is lack of knowledge. People can learn, and just because they don't already know it does not mean they will never learn. I think so many times the replies are not done in a way to mae the OP stick around to really learn. I think a lot of times the OP sees the replies and never comes back because there is a negative and sometimes personal undertone to the replies. They may also never even see the real information in the posts, and therefore remain ignorant. There is a ton of very helpful information on this site. I have found it to be very beneficial. I also see how very caring and helpful the members of yt are. I am not talking about any one post it is just an overall vibe I get at times. I guess I am done rambling.

Teresa Ford 12-08-2011 05:42 PM

Are you crazy ? pssst... can you ask nicely ?
 
Sometimes I ....
" Sometimes I forget, my opinions are not universally accepted as the only right answer. I sometimes jump to wrong conclusions or misunderstand what the person is trying to say. Sometimes I am unrealistic and expect people to have a great level of understanding about the subject when they don't. Sometimes rather than seeing their questions as an innocent ignorance searching for answers, I may see willful stupidy, or belligerent nose thumbing at my convictions. Sometimes I should humbly listen, and gently teach. All the time, I should skip the negative retorts, rudely phrased questions, personal taunts, frustrated venting, and undiplomatic blurts. I may only have one chance to make a difference. I hope I don't miss the moment, because I got angry." T Radcliff

yorkieusa 12-08-2011 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilovemy2Yorkies (Post 3752659)
I have a few questions re: breeding. My female Yorkie, Chloe was mated on Dec 3rd & again on the 5th. Both days they tied several times. What I'm unsure of us whether or not she was ovulating because she was still spotting blood & actually still is here & there. Is it true that she would have rejected the male if she weren't ready? How will I know when she is pregnant? She's been very active these past few days & actually has been humping our female Chiuaha as well as our small 6 month old Yorkie. Is it normal for her to still have a sex drive even after mating? Should I mate her one more time in the next few days? And no, I'm not a breeder, but I am a Yorkie lover as well as many of my family members who all want a puppy if Chloe does turn out to be pregnant. Thank you all in advance for your wonderful advice & suggestions.

What if Chloe dies and everyone else has a puppy, but you are left empty handed and with a sad and regretful heart?

lovespandp 12-08-2011 08:20 PM

Just because you are a Yorkie Lover- does not make you a breeder or anything close to it.

Donnainohio63 12-08-2011 09:41 PM

[QUOTE=slthoeny;3753220]I understand everyone's frustration, anger, dismay, and all the other emotions shown. I do not disagree with the statements I have read, but it could be done more constructively in my opinion. Several times I have noticed someone coming to the site for advice. They appear to be ingnorant when it comes to breeding, and the dangers that come with it. They must be willing to listen, that is why they came here. Ignorance is lack of knowledge. People can learn, and just because they don't already know it does not mean they will never learn. I think so many times the replies are not done in a way to mae the OP stick around to really learn. I think a lot of times the OP sees the replies and never comes back because there is a negative and sometimes personal undertone to the replies. They may also never even see the real information in the posts, and therefore remain ignorant. There is a ton of very helpful information on this site. I have found it to be very beneficial. I also see how very caring and helpful the members of yt are. I am not talking about any one post it is just an overall vibe I get at times. I guess I am done rambling.[/QUOTE

If you are ignorant when it comes to Breeding, then why would you do it purposley?????? If you want to Breed, get a mentor, learn all there is to learn and then some. I do not think anyone here is trying to be mean, just fed up with seeing the same old post, I bred my dog, what do I do now? I hope the op will take the advice of the breeders here who know what they are doing and get her baby spayed and enjoy her as a pet.

Deuce 12-08-2011 09:52 PM

I recommend going to your vet and having her checked out, then take her to a AKC breeder in your area and asking him/her if your dog is the right size to handle a litter. If not either a, schedule an emergency spay with your vet, or b, make sure you have at least $3k for an c-section and that you have a reputable breeder on speed dial who is willing to help you whelp, and possibly raise a litter of puppies without mothers help. Sometimes when bitches are too young to be bred, but are bred anyways they can make it through the pregnancy and birthing just fine, but then reject the pups all-together and the breeder is put in the position of feeding, cleaning, and ensuring the pups are clearing their bowels regularly. Good luck.

caw 12-09-2011 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 3753359)
Sometimes I ....
" Sometimes I forget, my opinions are not universally accepted as the only right answer. I sometimes jump to wrong conclusions or misunderstand what the person is trying to say. Sometimes I am unrealistic and expect people to have a great level of understanding about the subject when they don't. Sometimes rather than seeing their questions as an innocent ignorance searching for answers, I may see willful stupidy, or belligerent nose thumbing at my convictions. Sometimes I should humbly listen, and gently teach. All the time, I should skip the negative retorts, rudely phrased questions, personal taunts, frustrated venting, and undiplomatic blurts. I may only have one chance to make a difference. I hope I don't miss the moment, because I got angry." T Radcliff

Im a school teacher and this an excellent bit of wisdom. If you want ANY chance to pursuade another....do it in a way that will open a person to change...you dont want a student closing up

maci_mace 12-09-2011 09:00 AM

I in all honesty hope your dog does not take the male, or that the breeding was done too early/too late for it to take.
Saddens me when someone is willing to breed their own pet just because their family/friends want a puppy. There are lots of yorkies, yorkie mixes, and puppies out there in shelters etc.

Altogether, you've been given great advice here even if some of it is harsh, you have to realize you may be a Yorkie lover, but some of us are Yorkie passionate and have been in the breeding [legit registered breeding] for a long time and know what they're talking about. I personally have never bred, not will I ever so I have no profound wisdom besides telling you to listen to these people ^^ Goodluck

Lou 12-09-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 3753359)
Sometimes I ....
" Sometimes I forget, my opinions are not universally accepted as the only right answer. I sometimes jump to wrong conclusions or misunderstand what the person is trying to say. Sometimes I am unrealistic and expect people to have a great level of understanding about the subject when they don't. Sometimes rather than seeing their questions as an innocent ignorance searching for answers, I may see willful stupidy, or belligerent nose thumbing at my convictions. Sometimes I should humbly listen, and gently teach. All the time, I should skip the negative retorts, rudely phrased questions, personal taunts, frustrated venting, and undiplomatic blurts. I may only have one chance to make a difference. I hope I don't miss the moment, because I got angry." T Radcliff


OK, who are you and what have you done with Teresa?

So we have another uneducated newbie asking for advice when it is already too late. sigh. I hope she does take her little one to the vet and do what must be done. Poor little dog.

katienme2002 12-09-2011 05:23 PM

I for one am beyond frustrated with people breeding there dogs just because they want a cute little puppy...And I for one have rescued dogs that are thrown away by bad breeders, and I REFUSE to apologize for how I feel. It is not my intent to mean malicious and hurtful, but these poor dogs are paying the price for someone elses ignorance.

Susan78 12-09-2011 05:57 PM

I am not a breeder and never will be. Please take the good advice from the Yt members here about breeding your yorkie.Spaying would be a good issue for you to think about. Susan

Donnainohio63 12-09-2011 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katienme2002 (Post 3754402)
I for one am beyond frustrated with people breeding there dogs just because they want a cute little puppy...And I for one have rescued dogs that are thrown away by bad breeders, and I REFUSE to apologize for how I feel. It is not my intent to mean malicious and hurtful, but these poor dogs are paying the price for someone elses ignorance.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Lovetodream88 12-10-2011 07:13 AM

I really hope the op has come back and read every ones advise and taken her girl to get spayed although sense she hasn't posted again I am doubtful that she has :(


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