That is a really great quote and I certainly hope I tried to do the above as a teacher of special education students for 27 years. However, I have problems with this quote being applied to this thread. I feel so sorry for the OP's dog and understand the frustration and posts of other YT members.

Now Lou............
LOL Good greif, we have done this so many times. I stomp around saying please spay and neuter,I even step on some toes, when I have to, I write pages of advice, we google and share facts. But this still happens, people breed dogs without a clue of what could happen. I did the little quote this time to remind myself, to just shut up and let some one else explain. My patients was not very strong today. And the good Lord knows I need kindness and patients, to say it again and again, and again. Guess I was just tired today.

I know sweetie. I read it and just thought, "Here we go again." And just as sure as shooting - another newbie weighs in to tell us how mean we are. I think we need to appoint one or two people to contact these newbies so the rest of us don't end up frustrated and resentful. My anger is also on the breeder from which this little girl was purchased. Has he/she never heard of a contract stipulating a pet only?

Dear Newbies,
Most of us are so dedicated to our dear little furbutts that we would literally kill anyone that deliberately hurt them. I sincerely mean that - it might be in a fit of rage and grief but it would happen. Please see that we have compassion for your dog - not you. We will at first nudge you to make the right decision but if you refuse to listen then all bets are off. We will tell you what we think. If you want a puppy for Pete's sake go buy one from a good breeder. You don't have to make your own!

Dear Newbie Defender,
I understand your concern but when you have been on here as long as us you will also get tired of trying to talk new owners out of breeding. You can't imagine the expense and heartbreak this owner is in for. I only hope that little one can get through it OK. I guess it could happen but the odds are against it with a novice in charge.

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Lou, I was not defending the OP or her position. I liked Susan Fords post as the best way to pursuade another towards the possibility of taking and adopting someone elses viewpoint. I was responding to Susans post.

I come to this forum on rare occasions just to look around~and I never stay for long because a lot of posters are extremely judgmental and rude. Guess what people, the original OP probably read the first few posts and decided that the help they were seeking was not going to be found here. I'm sure she won't be back to read all of your rude comments so you might as well go pick on someone else as I'm sure you've already scared her away instead of helping her and her dog. This site does have very useful and helpful information on it if the person is brave enough to look around for it, but most people would just leave and never come back. Sorry, I usually keep quiet but it just saddens me that people come here looking for help and instead they get told what a horrible person they are, over and over again, every reply is the same, isn't once enough?

If you dislike the people here so much why are you posting to judge us and attack us like you say we are doing? The people who post here are dog lovers and normally only give advise in the best interest of the dog so take a second and think about the dog for a minute, the dog that has no voice. Barley a year old, owner knows nothing about breeding, hasn't been health checked the list goes on and on it is in the best interest of this dog to be spayed and not have puppies. Not knowing what your doing when a dog is having puppies could end you up with a dead mom dog and dead puppies and I sure as heck don't want that.

I did not read your post that way and did not aim my remarks at you. I do apologize for offending you personally.

I stand by what I said:
"I understand your concern but when you have been on here as long as us you will also get tired of trying to talk new owners out of breeding. You can't imagine the expense and heartbreak this owner is in for."

I was a newbie myself when I came here for help. I brought a little seven week old yorkie home. The next day she was sick and that night she nearly died. I was kindly told that she was too young to leave her mother and to return her. It wasn't an option at the time. I was then given strick instructions to take her to an emergency clinic. I did and they saved her life - BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE ADVICE I WAS GIVEN. For the next two weeks I was on here every day giving progress reports and feeding tips to help my little Adie grow strong and beat her illness. I became a loyal member of this board and became friends with these "Rude" people you criticize.

When kind words and treatment fail to get through the only recourse is stern advice. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. And NOBODY called the OP a horrible person.

You have misunderstood my post. I don't dislike the people here it just saddens me that when someone comes here for help, they get yelled at instead and I was hoping that if someone other than a regular poster brought it to your attention you would take a look at the situation in a new light. The situation not being someone breeding without knowledge but the situation being that she was attacked instead of being helped:confused: I know that there there are tons of dog lovers here and of course her dog doesn't have a voice. But isn't it fair to say that its going overboard that 99% of the replies have been negative? I just think it would be more helpful to her dog if the OP got the help that she was looking for~for the sake of her dog. I'm not here to attack anyone, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I was trying to help the situation, not add fuel to the fire:confused: It was my hope that when someone else comes here for help, maybe we could try and help the person help the dog instead of scaring them away, thus not helping the dog at all.

"Horrible" wasn't a quote, it was my impression of how she must have felt reading all of the replies. And I'm sure your right, if I read this type of post over and over again, I'm sure it would get frustrating. I can see how it can be very upsetting.

Justamom/Nancy... I'm confused. I think she got a LOT of help on that first page. Carmen gave her a whole list. Others gave her other info too.
All in all though she got the advice/help she NEEDED even if wasn't what she WANTED.
You're right she may have read the replies and left because she wasn't getting the help she WANTED, but guess how many of us are going to help a person become a backyard breeder?


None. The best advice was given... SPAY THE DOG for the sake of the dog, the puppies, and the overpopulation of unwanted animals. That was HELP FOR THE DOG. That was the best help and advice this OP could have been given for her dog.

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Yelling at would be in all caps and I did not see that. She got advise and the best advise which is to get the dog spayed. The thing is when people look up posts on here or google breeding yorkies we don't want them to just see a post and think oh its easy and no big deal when that's not the truth. There are many things that need to be taken into consideration before breeding and the op didn't take any of those into consideration and not only will breed out of standard puppies but also possibly puppies with gentic disorders or could lose her dog and or the pups by not knowing a thing about birthing puppies. What the op has done is reckless. When you see so many of these posts weekly it becomes impossible to be miss sunshine and I am sorry but there is no sunshine in my opinion that can be seen in this post and I refuse to tell people who have no business breeding oh your doing great keep doing what you doing awesome job. She mated a barely 1 year old dog without getting genetic testing and with out having even seen a dog give birth before. Her dog is in danger as I see it!

The OP was looking for advice how to breed her yorkie. The advise was to NOT breed her. Just bc no one gave her advice on how to breed her, we are being rude? We care more for her dog, than her feelings, and this is case time and time again. It's not going to change as long as there is a strong group of yorkie lovers here.

Please don't put your female with the male again. If she ovulates during that mating she could conceive another pup that is not the same age as the ones previously conceived. Meaning she would have puppies that are not all the same age and not ready to deliver at the same time. Making puppies is a lot more involved than just putting two dogs together to mate. Please read about what you are doing. There are breeders that have spent a lifetime learning what they know about dog breeding and are still do not know it all.

I am not sure why you come on here at all if you think so many people are judgemental and rude? There are certainly has to be forums on the internet that meet your standard of politeness. It really is all about the welfare of the dogs here, and I for one would rather know the truth.

posts are not rude. You just deny the true. The true IS hard to face.
Spay your dog, another backyard breeder.

I agree with the majority. If you really love your dog you would never go into something as serious as breeding without researching. Reading into what the OP stated it appears she doesnt even know the basics of breeding. Sorry but that is just ignorance. You cant just wake up one day and decide "oh I'm gonna breed today" :thumbdown

There are so many adorable puppies out there to adopt or buy.

Yes all breeders were beginners at one point, but my motto is, If you're going to do it, do it right.

I guess I am mean now too... oh well... :rolleyes:

One very important thing people need to know, is that Yorkshire Terriers & English Bull Dogs would not be here if it wasn't for human beings. These particular breeds DO NOT have 'natural' births, they NEED human assistance. If a Yorkie does have a natural birth, there are chances of many complications that can occur w/the puppy & mom. The 'breeder' needs to educate herself & prepare for the what if's, emergency c-sections, tube feeding, etc, etc, the list goes on.
I too get a heavy heart when newbies come on here asking for advice, but will it ever end? Yorkies are such a popular breed & so many inexperienced people want to breed them...it's very unfortunate. If they didn't do their homework & comes on here asking for advice, I would think they should be prepared to take the lashings...hopefully swallow their pride & learn so their bitch & pups can survive.

I hope the OP will stick around to learn as much as you can, have a safe whelp & get your girl spayed....that is unless you want to be a breeder. Then I hope you'll learn as much as you can to be a respected one, all the best of luck to you.

TigerLily! THANK YOU!
That was very well put.

If I was going to breed yorkies - I F - I would beg one of these great breeders here to let me be an apprentice. Then and ONLY then would I even attempt it and then only under their guidance. There are just too many things to consider and no one should do it without all the facts and information they need. Oh, and a big wad of cash.

I would love to have another little yorkie like Adie and maybe breeding her would have produced a little duplicate but instead I got her brother. Same mother totally different dogs. LOL.

Another point I want to make is that the size of the litter doesn't always meet the economical demands. Shots vet bills etc. The there are the emergencies. What happens if the bitch only has one or two puppies? My Gracie was used as a breeder and never successfully raised an entire litter. Only one puppy would survive out of two being born. (Adie and then Skeeter) The breeder didn't want her any more because she wasn't making any money on her. Cold huh? Well now I have her little stud and she is out of business! Yeah.

I know I am rambling and I apologize to the group. I just get riled up and talkative I guess.

Lou: :thumbup:

I felt kinda bad after I responded. I really don't want it to come across like we are all ganging up on someone. I really don't think anyone is trying to be a bully, but we just take breeding very serious because of the possible consequences.

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This "breeder" has not been back to this post. You guys are preaching to the wrong choir. Unless you scared the sh!t out of her and she ran away and probably doesn't know what to do now bc you crazy people scared her away. We all hope she does the right thing, but many "non-breeders" can't help throwing their cutie dogs together to give free pups to their family bc their baby will make such a good mama! (rolling my eyes).

Ok.... I'm concerned !!

I have sent the OP a PM and I am hoping for a response. I am really really concerned for her pup.

Never mind the fact that the OP was asking for information about breeding. She did it, for what ever reason, it was her choice to make and thats on her. The deed had already been done.

I dont know about you, but I just can't ignore the fact that somewhere out there is a Yorkie who may or may not be in her 6th week of pregnancy and due to whelp in less than 3 weeks.

There is only so much we can do to offer our suggestions, opinions and thoughts to an OP. But to do so with respect will surly get our point across and will be better received by the OP. And then maybe, just Maybe the OP will stick around a little longer than just ONe day!

:confused: Are you being serious?


dawn27,

Hopefully OP will take their dog to the vet and follow advice there.
The door should never be opened IMHO for online breeding whelping full support-hands on experienced persons should be physically there.:mad:

If she really wanted help she would have ignored what she didn't want to hear to get the info she needed.

I agree with this statement. When Sadie got pregnant I also came here and at times I felt as if I was being attacked. Since Sadie's pups, all of my fur babies are neutered and spayed and I continue to educate myself about my fur babies.
I did take a lot of negative responses and at one point I was going to leave YT because I was hurt at the way I TOOK those responses. Now that I have been on YT for awhile, I have seen the same post over and over again. Help I bred my dog, what should I do next?, well I did not breed Sadie, it was not planned and I was ignorant to having an intact male with a female in heat. I was not home when this tie took place but I handled it with the help of a few very special people here. I got a mentor, a good vet and lots of supplies, things I would not have known to do if I had not stuck around here and listened. I am sorry if the op feels anyone was attacking her because I too have felt that way but, I know now why some people come off so harsh. Pet overpopulation is just one reason, being involved with rescue I see so many animals that are homeless or put to sleep because there just isnt any room.
I hope the op does come back and takes advice form the great breeders here.

Good for you! Glad you stuck around and learned! :thumbup: :)

True... I suppose that if you ask for help you should stick around to get the answers regardless of whether you like what is being said. I guess some people just cant handle it!

There truly are members of YT who are willing to help and have helped OPs in many different situations. Myself including I've been helped by members of YT. I'd like to think that I too have been helpful to other members here and will continue to do so. It's just a shame that she hasn't returned to give us an update on the situation.

Yes, I'm dead serious. This has been going on (as I've seen it) for six years on YT. People jump all over the OP who is seeking advice. Yes, I am seething inside too by some of the things I read, but they didn't come here for a sermon. They came here for help. We are so quick to scold the OP that they don't return and we never know what happen to these poor babies. Yes, she should know everything about breeding, get testing done, have champion lines, yada yada. But let's face it, probably 75%+ of the people don't. They breed their little Fido (one breed) to their little Spot (another breed) because they are just so darn cute and they want free puppies. They are not going to listen to someone over the computer yelling at them.

For example: In another post a woman came on about buying her pup in a pet store and now she (the woman) was going into anaphylactic shock. Well some were so preachy about "OMG you got your dog at a pet store!?" That she never came back to tell us if she were alive! It's THAT stuff that p:thumbdownsses me off.

This original poster asked a question, which should have been answered FIRST. Then when she came back and trusted us, it is then that we could explain the "other" stuff.

I was "one of those" who first thought I wanted to breed my ever so cute Yorkie. If I would have come here first post with that question and heard those answers I would have told you all to go to h:thumbdownll. But I built a rapport with YT and read ONE post that made me change my mind. A girl bred her tiny 3 or 4lber and she wound up dying. THAT is what made my decision. I was not about to have my Baby die. It's not all the preaching that changes someone's mind, most of the time it's the kindness, or sometimes it's something tragic.

Now I'm done preaching...:thumbup:

A lot of people though come on here post once and no matter what the response is the new person never comes back. Most of the people I believe including me answered with help and then said something about the puppy mills. A lot of people also said well with pet stores/ puppy mills you never know what they put on them that's true. I think its ridiculous what some people post here sometimes instead of going to the vet or doctor.