A family from up north drove 7 hrs one way to meet Chloe and smokey. Just to meet them, they don't know if they are going to get them. If you try hard enough you can find a good match in rescues. Most people don't really try, excuse after excuse. Buying a puppy from this type of breeder tells them people approve of what they do and they will continue to do so. That leaves one less home for a dog that could be saved.

So how much did the pup cost anyway? More than $300 I would say is a small fortune or a mutt.

People could choose to not buy any purebred dogs or mixes at all, and only adopt rescues. What would the breeder think then? Maybe we could slow down ALL breeders.

a GREAT REPUTABLE REGISTERED [AKC, UKC, Can.KC] BREEDER does not breed a ton of litters a year. So even when picking a purebred, registered puppy you can't trust all the breeders with papers either... it's all about doing you're homework.

I'd consider a lady with a couple AKC dogs who produces 3-4 litters a year as a BYB.

Maci's breeder only has 1 or 2 litters a year yet she has 5-6 dogs capable of having puppies. Most years she skips breeding season ALL TOGETHER.
She chooses not to overbred. Those are the people we should support. People who can skip a whole year or two of breeding because they don't want to over populate. Her dogs are also only sold to show homes if they are show quality. And even co-owned until pointed or titled.

I wanted to stay out of the traditional mixed breed argument, but of course I can't keep my big mouth shut :rolleyes:

I think it is unfair to always berate people who post about getting mixes about how they didn't go to the shelter or should go to the shelter. Very few, if any, people do that when someone posts about wanting a purebred Yorkie. It is all oh YTCA this and that, breeder this and that. Yet, there are plenty of purebreds in shelters too. If you are going to push shelter, it should be equally done.

I am happy for her new baby and her new addition. I know how frustrating it is searching for a mixed baby. For those of you who think it is easy to get a rescue dog, you have another thing coming. If it isn't from a shelter (in which puppies are few and far between at least in my area), the rescues are actually VERY picky and have requirements that some just cannot meet. Therefore, not everyone can get a pup from a rescue.

I tried. Either they have restrictions on how far they will travel for a home visit and you can't adopt without a home visit (hell I even offered to pay travel expenses and let them stay at my home and I was STILL turned away) or you can't have children or you can't have cats or you can't have *insert another reason here.* I fell short again and again and only THEN turned to looking for a breeder.

Also, rescue dogs can come with health issues (since a lot of them come from the mills and poor lines that we all warn against). I personally would prefer a dog that is healthy and those chances are significantly lowered if you don't know the background at all.

In addition, rescues can come with emotional issues besides health problems. Some people are not equipped to deal with that. If they can't handle it, the dog will just end up right back where it started. If they know that about themselves, it is good that they chose not to get a shelter dog. Shelter/rescue does not work for everyone.

So, yes, I went with a breeder. A breeder I love and adore. Who loves and adores Rylie and still checks in on us. I'd recommend her in a heartbeat. She loves her animals and produces healthy lines. She didn't charge me out the nose. She wasn't in it for only profit. She added to the happiness of my family in ways that I cannot even describe.

I did it, and I would do it again. However, I did A LOT of homework. Just like anyone else looking for a breeder. You can't just buy from whoever willy-nilly, purebred OR mix, and you have to be especially careful in researching and screening with a mix, I'll give you that. Rylie came from practically across the country because I DID my research and did not find ANY breeders in my area that were up to my standards. Tons of mills, pet stores, and no good sorts that I was not comfortable with.

Anyway, point is: she did what she did. I trust she did her homework. If she did not, you can always say "I told you so" later.

For now, lets just be happy for her. :):thumbup:

Guess what? We went the 3 hour drive today to see our new baby in person and it's a dang Shame I won't post his pics.... He is beautiful!!! And we love him..... But it's ok if Yt doesnt, because we do... You are missing out! Mixed breed and all.... He's an absolute doll... And my heart tells me he is the right choice. Period.

Kendra, i think you missed the part about the fact we are EXCITED about your new member. but we all had our own opinions about the breeder and the way you titled the thread. that was it. you know it's YT and you know debates get started easily over these things, but you have to have thick skin. i've been bashed on my pitbull thread before and i'm still on there and i get along with everyone just fine whether we have disagreed before or not.

we would ALL love to see your li'l man, and love on him with comments and praise. i think all in all we are glad YOU got him and not someone else who wouldn't love him forever even past his puppy stages. :D

Of course you will post pictures.

See that was totally a flaunt. Youve totally missed the point we have been trying to make. I have followed your past threads and have been in support pf you. There is no reason why you couldnt have did a thread of pictures of your new pup and an anouncement and you wouldnt have received this flack. But when you title the thread {Im getting a mixed breed and Im proud and then follow it up by promoting the breeder as a good one people are going to speak up

Well I want to see pics. I do not care what anyone elses opinion is of you or your furbabies or how you got them. I love all breeds, mixed or not. cmon lets see the pics.

I am glad that you are getting a new pup! I have a Yorkiepoo and he is amazing.. he is the best pet Ive had and I have had purebred Yorkies before.

I want to see pics! Morkies are just so damn cute!!! Remind me of a little teddy bear!!!

I dont think you owe it to ANYONE here to tell them how much you paid, who the breeder is, why you like and picked the breeder, etc...
You went with your gut. You did what you felt was right and you are happy and I think that is all that matters.
As long as you can give little Jax a great, forever home I am happy for you!! :)

Well said Nancy!!

Kendra, You have missed the point!

To me, THIS was the point.

While the battle for regulation rages on for years, what's supposed to happen to the puppies, who all deserve loving homes ???? :animal-pa

Well I quess those puppies would go to a rescue where they would be responsibly adopted and the bad breeder would quit breeding because theres no money in it for her

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Well said!

Well said!
No I'm don't think I'm better then anyone but I got Ivy very close to home from a rescue. Reggie I drove from NY to a Ohio shelter. So like you said you just need to look. If you want to go to a breeder that is fine just make sure it's for the "best of the breed" not a mutt. I just wish you could visit a shelter on kill day can't even begin to tell you how hard it is to see that. All dogs need love I just wish people would buying from breeders that sell mutts.

My friend just got a morkie...he is blonde and one if the cutest little stinkers I have ever seen!! Good luck with your new baby!!

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I'm so glad people can see this, and I so agree with you. Her first post says:



She knows what should be done, but obviously she doesn't know why these things are important, they are just "rules" and she doesn't have to follow any rules, it's a free country. She wants no responsiblity for causing drama, yet she says things like we "won't like her dog".

For all of you with an open mind, I just want to say, according to the Humane Society, 75% of the dogs at the pound are mixed breed, with only 25% being purebred. I think when buying a dog the local humane society should always be the first thing you consider, but I also think it’s important to support the future of the Yorkshire Terrier breed, by going to an excellent breeder. It’s important that we look toward the future and do things that don’t just impact us, but impact those in the future.

Yorkietalkers aren't just hard on people who buy from mixed breed breeders; they are hard on anyone who supports a bad breeder. Many have written similar accounts about how the bought their dog from a puppy mill and are PROUD and didn't care what we said, the dog needed a home, others write about buying from a pet store, but don't care what we say, the dog needed a home. For everyone purchased, two will replace it, so you are all so right when you say you don’t care, well I do care. So this is not about the dogs, it's about the breeders.

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JMO I think there is room for both. Those that want a pure bred and one that wants a mix. Both are fine choices as long as everyone says you go to a breeder who is breeding for the right reasons. A pure bred can cost anywhere from $1000 up depending if you want a show quality, and sex of dog. Although I have had pure bred dogs they have always come to me from friends who couldn't take care of the dog any more. I have also rescued dogs from out local shelter lovingly called "mutts". My DH and I have the money to purchase a dog from a good breeder but I think this is where the problem comes in. Most folks love the look of a pure bred but have no idea what it takes in time and money to get them to look like the dogs on the dog shows. So they start looking for a "cheaper" breeder one that fits their income. There will always be "backyard" breeders. Supply and demand Economics 101.

Here is where this forum comes in. If we can educate one person that it would be better to get a Yorkie Mix from their local shelter than to buy a "pure bred" from a inferior breeder than we have help our favorite breed.

We got Gizmo from our local humane society. He was listed as a Yorkie mix puppy. I have always wanted a Yorkie but I knew I wasn't getting a pure bred but what I did know is I was saving a dog who had part of a wonderful breed in him. A week later and he is wonderful. True he came home from the shelter with Kennel cough but they gave us the medicine to treat it. He still had worms even though they wormed him. They would have given us the medicine to reworm him but since we were on our free vet visit provided by the shelter we got the medicine from them. Bottom line I paid $75.00 for a dog who had been given all his shots, was neutered, micro chipped, a coupon for one free grooming and one free vet visit. Hey you can't beat that in these tough economic times.

Kendra, from the get go, you knew some would express disagreement. Some people on YT think breeding dogs that were not chosen to improve the breed is wrong. Some do not see animals as a commodity to be raised and sold for profit, like cattle, sheep or pigs. Some people have very strong opinions about what we should do to stop puppy mills and private breeders (called back yard breeders often on here). Some people will defend your right to adopt a mixed breed but, hate the fact you bought a puppy from a private breeder.

I choose not to get up on the soap box this time. My personal ideas seem to have already been expressed by others.

I wonder if what happens here, is a local phenomenon ? Both the local shelters do not have a problem placing small dogs. By small, I mean under 15 pounds. Most small dogs are adopted within 3 days ! The majority of dogs picked up as strays are medium to large size mixed breeds. Also the majority of dogs surrendered by owners are medium to large sized. Larger Black dogs are the least adopted and hardest to place. Awhile ago I wrote a thread about why rescue, or shelter dogs were not right for everyone. My reason for the thread was, that every dogs needs a loving forever home. Just because a 50 pound boxer mix is cute, doesn't mean it is the right dog for you and your family. Some posters thought I was putting down rescue, or shelter dogs. ME ? I was shocked. I was just saying why some people should not adopt a dog with issues they weren't able to handle. Anyway, I have no doubt you will provide a loving forever home for this new puppy.
On another recent thread one of the younger YT members was expressing concern about 'over breeding' and the many health problems pure bred dogs have, especially the ones bred with extreme features. When a look was the 1st goal and not health. I have seen GS breeders try to reverse this trend. And new breeds evolve like the Shiloh Shepherds, and Beiwer Terriers. The dog species is not locked into a certain number of breeds. When humans choose a mate for their animal and keep careful records and have the goal to breed a physically, mentally healthy dog that is is beautiful, can we automatically judge them as unethical ? Should only wealthy, professional show people, be allowed to legally breed dogs ? UM.... ?
Now Kendra, I could bla, bla, on and on, but really just wanted to say congratulations on the pup and I would like to see Mack's new brother.

I can't help myself....

If breeders are ONLY interested in bettering the breed then they would give their superior dogs away to ensure the betterment continues. But no, they charge $3000 for a dog that they can't even guarantee will be the "epitome" of yorkie-dom.

Sorry, but ALL breeders do it for CASH. Your arguments are invalid.

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Proud Mom of a now 3 year old Rescue, that i drove 5 hour round trip to get 2 years ago! Not the Puppies that are listed in the local paper here from a BYB :(.

Your so wrong. Reputable breeders dont charge anything like that unless maybe if you are buying a dog to breed from them. Then you are buying their experience and their lines to breed from and they will charge more. The ones that charge those prices for a pet yorkie are the teacup breeders

I know plenty of breeders who have given away breeding dogs to people they thought had the right character to be a breeder. I also know of some who have quoted outrageous prices to people because they know they didn't have the qualities it took to be a good breeder. So I guess your argument is invalid. The main thing people need to remember is a good breeder takes every step they can to ensure that their dogs don't end up at the pound, and the Humane Society verifies this. Mix breed breeders have no control over their dogs once they’ve left the premises; every mixed breed dog is a POTENTIAL breeder. Who knows, next we’ll probably have a opps pregnancy and someone very proud. I don’t respect any breeder who sells breeding rights to everyone.

Another thing you dont think breeders that breed for the betterment of the breed that put out the money for health testing, quality vet care and have experience because of studing the breed have a right to be compensated for it. Im sorry but not all breeders are doing it for the money. The reputable breeders dont even make money when you consider how much they have in it

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I wonder if what happens here, is a local phenomenon ? Both the local shelters do not have a problem placing small dogs. By small, I mean under 15 pounds. Most small dogs are adopted within 3 days ! The majority of dogs picked up as strays are medium to large size mixed breeds. Also the majority of dogs surrendered by owners are medium to large sized. Larger Black dogs are the least adopted and hardest to place. Awhile ago I wrote a thread about why rescue, or shelter dogs were not right for everyone. My reason for the thread was, that every dogs needs a loving forever home. Just because a 50 pound boxer mix is cute, doesn't mean it is the right dog for you and your family. Some posters thought I was putting down rescue, or shelter dogs. ME ? I was shocked. I was just saying why some people should not adopt a dog with issues they weren't able to handle. QUOTE]


That is the same thing in my area. They all told me the same thing. They very seldom get small dogs, and when they do they go quick. Many of our local shelters don't even choose the one they think will be the best fit. Some of them draw names to choose who gets the pet.


I live in a rural area, and we checked with resuces and shelters. There were very few small dogs available. In fact I never found any small dogs even within two hours of me. The ones that I did find were farther away, and most of them had special needs. They could not go to a home with other dogs, or cats, or children. Or they were senior dogs. Or they had other issues that needed special attention. I personally would have no problem adopting a special needs dog for myself. I would have no problem adopting a senior dog either. And some day I might. But we were looking for a dog for our daughter. I did not want to get a dog that had serious health issues. Or a senior dog for her. She had just lost a dog, and wanted to minimize the chances of that happening again so soon. We did check into adopting what looked to be a good fit for us, but I never had the chance to find out. They rescue would not answer my questions about the puppy. They told me there were already enough applications filled out from people closer that I did not need to bother trying. While there are numerous dogs in the shelters they are not all yorkies. And while there are numerous yorkies in shelters across the US they are not all accesible. I may have eventually found the perfect dog or puppy for my daughter at a shelter, but maybe not. And it could have taken many years if it ever happened.

[quote=slthoeny;3755002]Our shelters have small breeds there and very often yorkies

I have a shih Tzu Maltese. She's of the Diva sub breed. Lol. Congrats

I have a mixed baby and was open and honest to the forum up front. I have never felt that my baby was "lesser" than anyone elses due to his heritage. I have received excellent advice and opinions from this board - I joined after getting my guy.

I don't think anyone can say Kendra's baby will not be very loved, she is obviously a great dog parent.