AKC, CKC, Whats the difference?
 

I am looking for a puppy, in my area there are alot of CKC registered. My Shelbie was AKC registered and someone told me not to buy CKC registered. I don't know what the difference is in how it is registered as long as it is a yorkie. Should I be careful or are they both fine? :aimeeyork

I heard that you only need papers in general if you plan on breeding. :rolleyes:
So if you just keep him for a pet, I'm sure it won't matter if it was AKC or CKC.

I have heard the same thing about "don't get a pup that is CKC Registered". But, IMHO, CKC is cheaper, less complicated, and being CKC Registered does not make the pup any less full-blooded.

All of my dogs are CKC Registered and there are a lot of irresponsible AKC Breeders as there is CKC & other registries. That is just my take on the matter.

Yorkease

AKC has existed since the 1800's
ACA is 20 years old
CKC - not sure

AKC has very strick standards and will not register a litter AKC if one parent is an ACA or a CKC. AKC will not accept ACA or a CKC registration. AKC tracks by pedigree ONLY. AKC has show quality standards.

ACA will accept a picture and letter from the owner of the animal or written information from a vet (stating your dog is a purebed) a pedigree is not necessary, thus allowing a non-papered animal to become papered. ACA will accept AKC registration. ACA has no defined show quality standard. There is no past pedigree required....

CKC Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ no past pedigree required...no defined show quality standard.

Thanks for the information. I never knew that!

I have always opted for AKC registered when looking for a dog, but recently I came across a tiny CKC I could not resist. So I paid full price , papers or not she was perfect. So little, like a kitten.

Well, now I realize that some Yorkie owners out there never bothered to register with AKC and may end up with a litter down the line like where mine came from. So ther is no where else to go if you nevered registered the parents with AKC when you had the chance. You can't force the ownerer to do it after never bothering before.

That is why my Mandy is CKC. Her father is AKC and her mother was never registerd AKC as a pup. So, CKC is better than nothing. And it don't really make a difference to me. Now that I understand.

AKC assures the consumer the breed is a purebred where as CKC and ACA doesnt monitor the past of their reg'd dogs.

The problem with buying a NON AKC dog is only assuring you that your dog is a purebred. The other reg'ing agencies will acccept a picture of a dog as gospel. That as a breeder is a scary prospect because there are so many dishonest breeders and just as many uneducated buyers that get taken advantage of. Its refreshing to see there are many people on this forum that are educated buyers because they are lovers of the breed but many buy on impulse and if someone calls it a yorkie its a yorkie:) even if it is 3/4's yorkie and a 1/4 party mix (rover).

Buying AKC assures and protects the buyer "that puppy in the window" is a real Yorkie:) where as the other reg'ing agencies hope that the reg'ing party submitting the documents are true.

Buying AKC in most cases is a more expensive venture but at least you know when your puppy purchase is all said and done ITS A YORKIE!

I got this information from an other sit.
but in canada CKC = Canadian Kennel Club

The Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club? Both use the abbreviation "CKC". The Canadian Kennel Club is very reputable, like AKC in the US. The Continental Kennel Club has only been in existence since 1991 and is one of the most well known puppy mill registries.

Pedigrees may be falsified and if registration papers are supplied, they are typically through various organizations formed by puppy millers when the AKC's DNA requirements and inspection process (of kennels and records) made it impossible for them to continue registering their dogs with the AKC. Some of these "puppy mill registeries" include: APR (American Purebred Registry), APRI (America's Pet Registry, Inc.), CKC (Continental Kennel Club), UKC (Universal Kennel Club), ACA (American Canine Association). You should note that these registeries often have the same acronym as LEGITIMATE registeries such as the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) and the United Kennel Club (UKC).

Lol NOW I understand my confusion. Here I was thinking my CKC registered puppy wasn't as "pure" as an AKC puppy. BUT I kept thinking "my Canadian Kennel Club registered yorkie is just as legit as the American Kennel Club yorkies. I'm surprised the had the gaul to use CKC, maybe to add to the confusion. I know the Canadian Kennel Club has been around much longer than the "other" CKC.

Granted I believe AKC is a better club because it is much stricter and do make it harder for people to be dishonest. I know two of my CKC female yorkies parents where AKC eligible but where never registered with AKC, so now it would be difficult and expensive to get them AKC papered.
AKC charges to register a litter plus charges for each puppy in the litter where CKC doesnt. So that is some of the reason why breeders went to ckc. If my dogs are AKC eligible I register them.
As far as the puppy mill comment, I raise yorkies and some are ckc but I assure you I am not a puppy mill.
Lets face it AKC may make it harder to falisfy information but Once someone has those papers, a dishonest breeder could do some creative paper work.
90% of the people who contact me for a puppy dont care, they just want a purebred yorkie to love in their home. SOme never register their dog period.
So for those of you who own a ckc registered yorkie, your yorkie was probably registered with AKC at one time. Doesnt mean your dog is lesser, just the registry is less admired.
Its really a shame there are so many dishonest breeders out there.

To me... i don't care where my pups is register at.. they are pure breed and that is that. But in reading the AKC website..I come to the conclusion that AKC is just one big monopoly. Everyone else will accept AKC registered pups but they won't accept anyone else.?? come on... AKC is big because they have been around and have the money to be in the public's eye. That is the only difference. They can afford to hold shows. Best in show this and best in show that... if they are so perfect, why can't they allow an ACA or CKC or any other registry dog compete???? To me dog show is a sport and in any sport... you are NOT the best until you compete against everyone. You have the best yorkie AKC vs the best yorkie of other registry compete and you'll find it hard to judge as they all might be of the same caliber....cus they all are "pure breed". I think the reason why now alot of people register with CKC is because they work fast. I just recently register my yorkie (Hercules) with them and it take them a week to complete it. Where as I sent in the same time the registration of my other yorkies (Mercy and Sadie) it takes AKC almost two months to complete. All in all it boils down to how much you love your dog.... so it shouldn't matter if they are with AKC or CKC...

BRAVO! Sexcbrucelee. I couldn't have said it better. Great choice of words and brutal honesty. I argree with you 100%!

since i'm on a roll here... another thing that make me so mad is this.. I watch alot of AKC dog show.. and you know what?? they always seem to choose the same dog.. sure there is a great looking yorkie there and they seem to want to pick this cotton ball looking poodle instead. I mean the yorkie was just as comform to its stand plus the yorkie was glimming in the lights looking like it has been sent down from heaven... but NO the judge still go for that cotton ball..... errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! make me so mad.

Too funny!
Its confirmed........everyone loves their yorkies!

yeah when they tell those handlers to run around the stupid ring... my wife and I had our fingers cross....hoping that that old lady would choose the yorkie... but NOPE...her eye glass must got fogged up or something as she chooses the white cotton poddle... I almost through the remote at the T.V..... errrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! they yorkie didn't even make it top 3...:(:(:(

AKC-ILP program
 

SexBrucelee:

AKC does have ILP program which allows non AKC animals to compete...

Indefinite Listing Privilege Program (ILP): The program that provides purebred dogs a second chance.
There are various reasons why a purebred dog might not be eligible for registration. The dog may the product of an unregistered litter, or have unregistered parents. The dog's papers may have been withheld by its breeder or lost by its owner. Sometimes, it is the dog itself that was "lost." There are many dogs enrolled in the ILP program after they have been surrendered or abandoned, then adopted by new owners from animal shelters or purebred rescue groups. The ILP program allows the dog and owner a second chance at discovering the rewards of participating in AKC events.

feminvstr
 

PLEASE, PLEASE, don't take this the wrong way, but I am confused by your first post. Are you saying if you were looking to buy a Yorkie, you would not buy from us that are CKC Registered because you feel we may not have pure bred Yorkshire Terriers? Again, Please don't get upset I don't mean offend you I just want someone to be brutally honest. My husband tells me and the rest of the free world like it is (in his belief) all the time, Hit or Miss. I respect that out of anyone.

Thanks

Apr will not register a dog unless it has akc in the bloodline.
Akc keeps getting higher and stricker People don't like it but it keeps you from getting a yorkiepoo or some other mix.
Ckc is stricker in Canada than in the U S
Ukc is suppose to be right up there with AKC from what i've heard.
and some of the breeders that have gone to ckc have gotten into trouble with AKC and don't want to put up with them.Let's be honest.

oh is that so??/ then I stand corrected.... thanks for the info.

Is it true?? i read somewhere that with AKC.. if a stud sire 3 dam in one calender year.. he needs to have a DNA test done?? What if he sire 3 dam one each year for 3 years...does he need DNA test done also???

SexBrucelee.....

"I come to the conclusion that AKC is just one big monopoly. Everyone else will accept AKC registered pups but they won't accept anyone else.?? "

It comes down to Quality not Quantity....

To reg' a litter of puppies is not expensive I believe it cost me $34.00 also I did it online and received the papers in less than 7 days.

CKC has only be in business since 1996 - CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB
ACA for 20 years - American Canine Association
AKC since the 1800's

AKC insists on 3 generation pedigree from any agency that is eligible for dbl registration, where as the others DO NOT require any past pedigree! Others will accept a picture!

As a breeder there is comfort knowing when I bought my Yorkies I knew their past as well as I was able to contact some of the breeders to verify health of the lineage before breeding.

AKC will accept other registries....A dog whelped in the United States that is individually registered with one of the Domestic Registry Organizations listed may be eligible for registration. A three-generation certified Pedigree issued by the domestic registry organization must accompany the application for AKC registration.

Note: If the Sire and Dam of the dog, for which registration is sought are registered with the AKC, the dog is not eligible for registration in the AKC's Stud Book on the basis of its registration with another USA registry body. Standard AKC registration procedures must be followed.

I think we would all agree that everyone that considers on buying a pup needs to do the research on the breed right? So if they buy a yorkipoo expecting a full blooded Yorkshire Terrier do they really need one. If they do the research they should know how to tell the difference.

I am sorry. I will shut up now. I don't want to make anyone mad. It is just that my dogs are CKC Registered and I don't have mutts - they are full blooded.

with that in mind... femin and yorkease: can you tell me how many litters you haver per year??? i'm assuming both of you are experienced breeders...

Dna
 

Indications for a DNA Profile

Many breeders voluntarily submit samples of their sires, dams and offspring. This helps them give a guarantee to the buyer of the puppy and adds to their reputation. There are times, however, that the AKC requires DNA profiling in order to register a certain dog or puppies.


Sires that produce seven or more litters in a lifetime must be DNA certified.


Any dog that produces more than three litters in a calendar year must be DNA certified.


Since 1998, DNA certification is required for all stud dogs whose semen is collected for fresh, extended or frozen use. This includes semen imported from outside the United States.

In addition to reviewing litter and dog records and checking dog identification, inspectors also collect DNA samples from litters and their sires or dams. If any discrepancies are found such as puppies not actually being a product of the dam or sire of record, litter registration is canceled or corrected. The AKC disciplines kennels that have more than one litter excluded within 3 years. If repeated problems occur, the AKC privileges may be withdrawn.

I know this guy from online who live on a farm and breeding yorkies is all he do. I think at one time he told me he sold over 100 yorkies that year and he made $100,000 tax free as he only sell for CASH... his wife had a real job and they can hide their income under her legal income. I have never heard of such an operation before until I chat with him... and looking at his pix.. he take good care of them.. so who am i to say it is right or wrong.. just different. He was driving in golf cart playing with them.... interesting life I told him.

I don't consider myself to be experienced. I learn new things everyday and I research like crazy. I have learned a lot from this site as well. I have 1 male and 2 females and so far I am only getting one litter per year. I let them figure out when is the best time for them to breed. I don't force them, I just watch the heat cycle and separate my maltese from my yorkies. I only have two maltese. When it gets close for them to deliver the moms will follow my husband around everywhere in the house and even to the bedroom. When they are ready to deliver they go to my husband's home office to be with him every second. I have the best husband in the world he is right there with us the whole time.

Yorkese- please dont be offended by my opinions

Would I buy a CKC and place him/her in my breeding program? no....

As a consumer buying a pet, would I buy CKC? that would depend on my impression of the bitch and dog (onsite) and of course the quality of the breeder, as I am sure there are respectable and trust worthy CKC breeders out there.

But I must admit I have never considering buying any animal without AKC.

To further explain my mother was a breeder of tea cup poodles and Boxers since the year I was born (All AKC) so perhaps some of my reasons are because that is what I trust and know. Nothing more nothing less its just my personal preference.

The tougher the registration process for a purebred animal IMHO the safer a consumer is and the standard of the breed is protected.

so femin: how many litters do you have a year???

Feminvstr,

I'm not offended. I don't offend very easily. I really respect an honest opinion and one who is willing to stand by that and not reverse themselves without just cause.
I usually don't sell to breeders anyway unless I know them very well.
I know an AKC Breeder that said mixed breeds should be knocked in the head. CAN YOU IMAGINE!! I don't breed for deformaties but if it ever happened I darn sure wouldn't do that! I don't care if the baby had 7 toes on each foot I still wouldn't do that, let alone kill it just because it was a mixed breed. She said it shouldn't get out that AKC's had mixed breeds. I guess that is what left a bad taste in my mouth. You've got good ones and bad ones everywhere. I just don't want to be stereo-typed as a bad breeder because of the registry I choose. That's all.

APR American Pet Registry is what some pet stores are using here in Maryland. A yorkie was $1500 at the store with a bald spot and did not look healthy. I asked about the health and the store says that the vet checked her and she's fine. I asked about her weight and they said 2 lbs and she's 12 weeks. She felt more like 4. I would have never bought her, but was just curious. I feel that that store should not be selling puppies and I told them as much. I told them they needed to clean out the cages and they had 2 puppies in a small cage. I asked about the health department they refused to talk. Is there a place a can make a complaint???