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MyTrixie143 11-16-2011 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by drkprincess13 (Post 3729523)
but the problem is i dont have any papers or shot records for dollie the mother dont i need papers to show proof and information on her parents and stuff? i dont have any of that the owner apparently didnt have anything im starting to think he stole her or something how can they have a dog with no papers or nothing
If the mom didn't come with papers then there is no way you can possibly register these pups unless you go with a registry that will take anything and then what's the point? It would just be a piece of paper that isn't worth anything.

You don't need papers to find them homes. You shouldn't be selling them for much anyways since you don't know the mother's background at all or potential health problems these pups could have. Just find them good loving homes where they will be cherished as pets.

capt_noonie 11-16-2011 09:12 AM
I agree a rehoming fee of about $200 is about right. I wouldn't really worry about people trying to turn around and sell them for more, bc the fact they don't have any papers, people aren't willing to pay much more without papers.

concretegurl 11-16-2011 10:01 AM
I agree a $200 adoption fee seems appropriate. Also:

Rehoming resale contract...
I think OP needs to establish a more inclusive comprehensive sales contract.

Perhaps a mandatory spay/neuter in it with a fiscal penalty if it's not done & proof provided by 6 months of dog's age (we are talking small dogs so weigh over age is an issue)

and a

rehoming notification or fiscal penalty if needed.

OP it's ONLY $20-40 to microchip the pups DO IT BEFORE THEY LEAVE YOU-you'll attract buyers better, rest better knowing pups are safer and will be better off if lost.

I'm getting annoyed at how few breeders are micro chipping-sorry it's becoming a serious pet peeve.

cheryl19 11-16-2011 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3730356)
I agree a $200 adoption fee seems appropriate. Also:

Rehoming resale contract...
I think OP needs to establish a more inclusive comprehensive sales contract.

Perhaps a mandatory spay/neuter in it with a fiscal penalty if it's not done & proof provided by 6 months of dog's age (we are talking small dogs so weigh over age is an issue)

and a

rehoming notification or fiscal penalty if needed.

OP it's ONLY $20-40 to microchip the pups DO IT BEFORE THEY LEAVE YOU-you'll attract buyers better, rest better knowing pups are safer and will be better off if lost.

I'm getting annoyed at how few breeders are micro chipping-sorry it's becoming a serious pet peeve.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


Please make sure that the pups will be spayed and neuter . We don't need more dogs at the shelter.

SnowBlueYorkies 11-19-2011 07:26 PM
No one has a right to tell her what she can or cannot do with her pups or what price she can sell them for. It's her pups, her business, she doesn't tell you what to sell your stuff for. I wish people on here would stop trying to dictate what others can do.
darkprincess they are cute and if they have a brown nose they are chocolate if they have a black nose then they are golds.
Good luck on your new babies.

xBUTTERCUPx 11-19-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by drkprincess13 (Post 3729523)
but the problem is i dont have any papers or shot records for dollie the mother dont i need papers to show proof and information on her parents and stuff? i dont have any of that the owner apparently didnt have anything im starting to think he stole her or something how can they have a dog with no papers or nothing
The puppies doesn't have to be registered for you to rehome or sell them. If you don't have any information on the puppies then it is better to come outright and tell potential buyers that they're not registered and you don't have any previous histories as you were lied to by the seller of your female.

concretegurl 11-19-2011 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3734005)
No one has a right to tell her what she can or cannot do with her pups or what price she can sell them for. It's her pups, her business, she doesn't tell you what to sell your stuff for. I wish people on here would stop trying to dictate what others can do.
darkprincess they are cute and if they have a brown nose they are chocolate if they have a black nose then they are golds.
Good luck on your new babies.
She has no papers for the parents is unsure of paternity and wants to know how to register the pups despite all this...:rolleyes:...CKC perhaps?

Pups with no papers unclear parentage etc should cost what?

Same as rescue IMHO.

Yes it's her business, yet she posted & asked on a public forum...

Would you want her to sell her pups at the same price as yours?

Lovetodream88 11-19-2011 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3734005)
No one has a right to tell her what she can or cannot do with her pups or what price she can sell them for. It's her pups, her business, she doesn't tell you what to sell your stuff for. I wish people on here would stop trying to dictate what others can do.
darkprincess they are cute and if they have a brown nose they are chocolate if they have a black nose then they are golds.
Good luck on your new babies.
Freedom of speech give us the right so yeah we do have the right........... at least the ones of us from the good old USofA :D

capt_noonie 11-19-2011 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3734005)
No one has a right to tell her what she can or cannot do with her pups or what price she can sell them for. It's her pups, her business, she doesn't tell you what to sell your stuff for. I wish people on here would stop trying to dictate what others can do.
darkprincess they are cute and if they have a brown nose they are chocolate if they have a black nose then they are golds.
Good luck on your new babies.
Ok then, she should go ahead and sell them for *pinky to mouth* "one meeellion dollars" Seriously, that's most likely what the market will bear, $200, that is the going price for a pup with unknown origin, which is exactly what she has. Could they be chocolates or golds? Perhaps, but does she know? Absolutely not. That is a fact, and it is a fact these pups are of unknown origin.

Rhetts_mama 11-19-2011 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 3728799)
You cant register them with a reputable kennel club. Also I would think going to the vet sooner would be better then later to make sure everything checks out and is ok. Also isn't it pretty easy to tell if a dog is fixed or not when its a boy?
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Originally Posted by KendraE (Post 3729166)
Yup!!Just like Almond Joy and mounds!!
If it was a recent neuter, it may not always be that easy because of some of the residual swelling of the sac. And Kendra, thanks...now I'm scrounging around my kitchen looking for something sweet to eat :D

capt_noonie 11-19-2011 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3734034)
She has no papers for the parents is unsure of paternity and wants to know how to register the pups despite all this...:rolleyes:...CKC perhaps?

Pups with no papers unclear parentage etc should cost what?

Same as rescue IMHO.

Yes it's her business, yet she posted & asked on a public forum...

Would you want her to sell her pups at the same price as yours?
I wonder how much she sells her pups for, there were no prices on her website. No contract or health guarantee either, that I saw anyway. Though I did see "I reserve the right to cancel any sale at anytime" multiple times.

capt_noonie 11-19-2011 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3734059)
If it was a recent neuter, it may not always be that easy because of some of the residual swelling of the sac. And Kendra, thanks...now I'm scrounging around my kitchen looking for something sweet to eat :D
Smokey is my first boy foster that I've seen before and after neuter. There was swelling, but when I poked it :D it deflated, then puffed back up. LOL But def different than before the snip snip. But if she got the dog already assumed it was neutered, I guess there was no before and after to compare, but if he was recently neutered, there would have been stitches or something. By the time stitches come out, the swelling should be gone.

Rhetts_mama 11-19-2011 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3734063)
Smokey is my first boy foster that I've seen before and after neuter. There was swelling, but when I poked it :D it deflated, then puffed back up. LOL But def different than before the snip snip. But if she got the dog already assumed it was neutered, I guess there was no before and after to compare, but if he was recently neutered, there would have been stitches or something. By the time stitches come out, the swelling should be gone.
Sam was my first male. He had a residual sac for about 6 months after his surgery. Rhett's stayed around for about 3 months. Stitches came out around 7-10 days.

I'm still confuzzled about the possible paternity of these pups. How long did she have the dogs before the pups were born? If she had the male for just a short time and it was a recent neuter (less than 1 month) it's possible he fathered the pups (sperm can live in the vas deferens for several weeks after a neutering). More likely, it was a stranger just passing through, though.

IDK. Definitely a case for The Maury Show.

concretegurl 11-19-2011 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3734060)
I wonder how much she sells her pups for, there were no prices on her website. No contract or health guarantee either, that I saw anyway. Though I did see "I reserve the right to cancel any sale at anytime" multiple times.
I said that because in my experience in researching Partis (Parti breeders) she's one of the very few reputable breeders.

Now I know very little about her personally other than word of mouth, but she and I agree that just because someone breeds off YTCA standards doesn't mean they should have no standards.

I am perplexed at the defense of this breeder it was my understanding this breeder was very selective. I beleive that's the part about canceling sales at any time she feels a sale would not be in the best interest of her pups...

I noted a sinusitis of the OP's situation because I'm confused by this breeder's defensiveness here.

:confused:

Rhetts_mama 11-19-2011 09:14 PM
One thing though, if the male had been to a vet at any point during the OP's ownership, he/she would have been able to tell if the dog was neutered or not. All it would take is a quick touch to figure it out.


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