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YorkieMother 09-05-2011 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3656336)
I, personally, have never understood this response. WHY is it anyone's duty to pick up the slack on other people's failed responsibilities and get a dog (most often a mutt) from the pound, instead of the purebred puppy they want?
I not sure. I just had a rescue pull their foster out of my home cause I got my new girl.... wait just wait it gets better.

my foster was a 12 year old cat that was fixed.

my question was how is my not even 14 week old female dog going to knock up your 12 year old spayed female cat?

you are going to litter... yeah no not yet I got 2 years to decide that....

They want me and all of us to spay and nueter 100 perscent... ok so we make dogs extint... good one.

JL

lovespandp 09-05-2011 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3656336)
I, personally, have never understood this response. WHY is it anyone's duty to pick up the slack on other people's failed responsibilities and get a dog (most often a mutt) from the pound, instead of the purebred puppy they want?
I am sorry you feel that way, but it is not the animals fault the owner did wrong. The animal shouldn't suffer, Thank God we have wonderful people in this world that will go adopt dogs and cats at the shelter, and not blame them for something their previous owner did. If everyone had the same opinion like yourself...Lets just say this world would be VERY nasty

YorkieMother 09-05-2011 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 3656343)
I am sorry you feel that way, but it is not the animals fault the owner did wrong. The animal shouldn't suffer, Thank God we have wonderful people in this world that will go adopt dogs and cats at the shelter, and not blame them for something their previous owner did. If everyone had the same opinion like yourself...Lets just say this world would be VERY nasty
My first dog was a bought.. a bad buy but I love her.
My first cat was a rescue.

My second cat is a long term permant foster cause his family could not handle him....


my current dog is a buy from a breeder but it took me 7 years and 15 tries to get a dog in this house cause of number one dogs issues..... It took a breeder to look hard and to see the skill set and not let red tape get in the way.... I tried yorkie rescue. I tried a lot of rescues... You have an aggressvie dog... yeah i do it genetic... I did not make her so.

If we again fix every dog. stop ever breeder from breeding where are our dogs coming from where will rescue get their dogs.... 100 percent is extinct.
JL

Jackbrooks 09-05-2011 12:42 PM
thanks guys. i dont understand why certain individuals say these things.
i have never failed as a dog owner and never will. hopfuly they will read these responces! thanks guys

Jackbrooks 09-05-2011 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 3656343)
I am sorry you feel that way, but it is not the animals fault the owner did wrong. The animal shouldn't suffer, Thank God we have wonderful people in this world that will go adopt dogs and cats at the shelter, and not blame them for something their previous owner did. If everyone had the same opinion like yourself...Lets just say this world would be VERY nasty
yes these people are fantastic! But let me tell you i donate hundreds of euros per year to our local pound in denia. so i help in everyway i can. but also let me tell you this. NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! you most likely wants mutts but i do not. i am trying to improve my line of yorkshire terriers! This improves the breed. you know there are so many tiny yorkies and huge ones out there that shouldnt be! i belive that all yorkshire terriers should meet the breed standard and in my eyes any yorkie that does not meet the standard should not be breeded at all!

YorkieMother 09-05-2011 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackbrooks (Post 3656363)
thanks guys. i dont understand why certain individuals say these things.
i have never failed as a dog owner and never will. hopfuly they will read these responces! thanks guys
Sometimes people get myopic or black and white and they live in the world of rescue or breeding or training and forget that there are multipule sides to that same comment. Those of us that stay well rounded and versed in the varriable sides tend to get smacked and hard. I train, I have helped breed, I have helped show and I have done rescue and will again... non of the sides has everything right and blending back grounds is more well rounded and if we all play nicer we all learn a great deal more.

JL

gidget529 09-05-2011 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3656375)
Sometimes people get myopic or black and white and they live in the world of rescue or breeding or training and forget that there are multipule sides to that same comment. Those of us that stay well rounded and versed in the varriable sides tend to get smacked and hard. I train, I have helped breed, I have helped show and I have done rescue and will again... non of the sides has everything right and blending back grounds is more well rounded and if we all play nicer we all learn a great deal more.

JL
I believe this OP was looking for a mentor to help breed her female on this thread. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...lp-needed.html If you have breeding exp, maybe you could help? (I have none.)

lovespandp 09-05-2011 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackbrooks (Post 3656374)
yes these people are fantastic! But let me tell you i donate hundreds of euros per year to our local pound in denia. so i help in everyway i can. but also let me tell you this. NOT EVERYONE WANTS A RESCUE DOG! RESUE DOGS ARE UNPREDICTABLE!!! you most likely wants mutts but i do not. i am trying to improve my line of yorkshire terriers! This improves the breed. you know there are so many tiny yorkies and huge ones out there that shouldnt be! i belive that all yorkshire terriers should meet the breed standard and in my eyes any yorkie that does not meet the standard should not be breeded at all!
Not all resues are UNPREDICTABLE. How much does your Yorkie weigh.. the one you want to breed?

Rhetts_mama 09-05-2011 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KazzyK810 (Post 3656336)
I, personally, have never understood this response. WHY is it anyone's duty to pick up the slack on other people's failed responsibilities and get a dog (most often a mutt) from the pound, instead of the purebred puppy they want?

My response to that would be why encourage more irresponsible breeding of any type dog when their are millions being euthanized on a regular basis. Not to mention, the "slack" you refer to is caused to a great extent by far too many people thinking it's cute to breed their dog or they want to make a few bucks or they want to have another dog just like the one they already have or they want to teach their kids about the facts of life...or...or...

If someone were serious about breeding and doing it right, they wouldn't wait until a few months before the next heat and then start looking for info on the internet. They would spend years studying the process ahead of time, work with a good, in person mentor, champion their own dog and have them properly certified BEFORE they started planning a whelp.

As for rescue dogs being mutts or unpredictable, then you haven't put in the time to researching reputable breed rescues. There are many who specialize in specific pure breeds.

Breeding right is not something that should be undertaken lightly. Breeding just because you WANT to is not a good enough reason to do it.

lovespandp 09-05-2011 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3656380)
My response to that would be why encourage more irresponsible breeding of any type dog when their are millions being euthanized on a regular basis. Not to mention, the "slack" you refer to is caused to a great extent by far too many people thinking it's cute to breed their dog or they want to make a few bucks or they want to have another dog just like the one they already have or they want to teach their kids about the facts of life...or...or...

If someone were serious about breeding and doing it right, they wouldn't wait until a few months before the next heat and then start looking for info on the internet. They would spend years studying the process ahead of time, work with a good, in person mentor, champion their own dog and have them properly certified BEFORE they started planning a whelp.

As for rescue dogs being mutts or unpredictable, then you haven't put in the time to researching reputable breed rescues. There are many who specialize in specific pure breeds.

Breeding right is not something that should be undertaken lightly. Breeding just because you WANT to is not a good enough reason to do it.

:yeahthat::bravo:

YorkieMother 09-05-2011 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3656378)
I believe this OP was looking for a mentor to help breed her female on this thread. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...lp-needed.html If you have breeding exp, maybe you could help? (I have none.)
I said I have helped... so stop looking to bait a fight.

I offered up the book I am going to read and I have my mentor in place.
I said if I breed not when. I well aware of my learned skills and my limits.
I did not say I was an expert I said I was well rounded.
Again play nice stop baiting a fight. We are all here to learn the best we can and I was posting to this thread not the other so my knowledge is this thread.

JL

Jackbrooks 09-05-2011 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 3656379)
Not all resues are UNPREDICTABLE. How much does your Yorkie weigh.. the one you want to breed?
3.5 kilos.

lovespandp 09-05-2011 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackbrooks (Post 3656396)
3.5 kilos.
So she is 7.7 lbs?

Jackbrooks 09-05-2011 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3656380)
My response to that would be why encourage more irresponsible breeding of any type dog when their are millions being euthanized on a regular basis. Not to mention, the "slack" you refer to is caused to a great extent by far too many people thinking it's cute to breed their dog or they want to make a few bucks or they want to have another dog just like the one they already have or they want to teach their kids about the facts of life...or...or...

If someone were serious about breeding and doing it right, they wouldn't wait until a few months before the next heat and then start looking for info on the internet. They would spend years studying the process ahead of time, work with a good, in person mentor, champion their own dog and have them properly certified BEFORE they started planning a whelp.

As for rescue dogs being mutts or unpredictable, then you haven't put in the time to researching reputable breed rescues. There are many who specialize in specific pure breeds.

Breeding right is not something that should be undertaken lightly. Breeding just because you WANT to is not a good enough reason to do it.
i understand and respect what you say. but let me ask you this. why do show breeders breed? for fun? NO to improve there line!

YorkieMother 09-05-2011 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3656380)
My response to that would be why encourage more irresponsible breeding of any type dog when their are millions being euthanized on a regular basis. Not to mention, the "slack" you refer to is caused to a great extent by far too many people thinking it's cute to breed their dog or they want to make a few bucks or they want to have another dog just like the one they already have or they want to teach their kids about the facts of life...or...or...

If someone were serious about breeding and doing it right, they wouldn't wait until a few months before the next heat and then start looking for info on the internet. They would spend years studying the process ahead of time, work with a good, in person mentor, champion their own dog and have them properly certified BEFORE they started planning a whelp.

As for rescue dogs being mutts or unpredictable, then you haven't put in the time to researching reputable breed rescues. There are many who specialize in specific pure breeds.

Breeding right is not something that should be undertaken lightly. Breeding just because you WANT to is not a good enough reason to do it.
I agree for those of us learning that do have a mentor that want to get it right and have spent years learning dogs that the right way up but we all have to start somewhere we all did not get good over night... lending a hand being kind and giving gentle respectful advise keeps those learning in the fold so they can do a better job not out in the wilds being a BYB.
And understand Spain that a little tougher to find mentors.

JL


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