What is a biewer yorkie?

[silverjoy]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Gracious me... I haven't been back here for awhile, but it is so very interesting to read some of these posts..

Gives me a giggle for the day.

Diana

Me too Diana!!!



Moriah sends lots of kisses!!!


Lisa

[nalstir54]

i have a biewer very sweet

[gracielove]

I had been wondering what a Bewier was also. I read a little on one of the links posted. It seems the Bewier is a little Yorkie that has some differences because of a genetic mutation like thing that happened in the Bewier line of Yorkshire Terrier. Since no other breed was cross bred into the breed to achieve this color change I do not see why anyone would feel the need to call the Bewier a mongrel. I think some people just like to start arguments here or else they just don't take the time to obtain the information to continue a intelligent conversation.
Anyway, I now know where the Bewier came from. Are there any other physical differences in the Bewier? Like size or bone structure? Do you think the AKC will ever accept the Bewier? I know they have certain requirements before they will allow a new breed in. But is the Bewier considered a new breed or just a color change within the breed? As I have read there is no cross breeding involved so genetically they are Yorkies of a different color.

[givemecouture]

Originally Posted by gracielove

I had been wondering what a Bewier was also. I read a little on one of the links posted. It seems the Bewier is a little Yorkie that has some differences because of a genetic mutation like thing that happened in the Bewier line of Yorkshire Terrier. Since no other breed was cross bred into the breed to achieve this color change I do not see why anyone would feel the need to call the Bewier a mongrel. I think some people just like to start arguments here or else they just don't take the time to obtain the information to continue a intelligent conversation.
Anyway, I now know where the Bewier came from. Are there any other physical differences in the Bewier? Like size or bone structure? Do you think the AKC will ever accept the Bewier? I know they have certain requirements before they will allow a new breed in. But is the Bewier considered a new breed or just a color change within the breed? As I have read there is no cross breeding involved so genetically they are Yorkies of a different color.

Love your pink positive tone I am currently searching for a new baby yorkie and have looked a lot at the Parti/Biewer Yorkies because of their fun coloring. It seems like the only difference is their coloring. Like a recessive gene (not sure if that is 100% correct terminology, I am not scientist or breeder that would make a human have blonde hair or blue eyes or red hair and green eyes....it doesn't make them any less human does it?

I am definitely thinking about a Biewer yorkie as a possibility although they seem a lot more expensive because they are "rare" although it seems like every breeder has some....but thats a whole 'nother thread haha. Heres a pic of a Parti colored/Biewer yorkie, looks exactly like the babies on YT just different hair colours.

[buffalobetty]

Originally Posted by cobden28

I'm only an occasional poster/browser on this forum as I no longer have a dog, but when browsing this forum recently I've come across references to 'Biewer' Yorkies. This is a new term to me - can anybody tell me please what exactly this refers to?

Biewer Yorkies, Biewer a la Pom Pon, Biewer Terriers, and Biewers are all the same animal despite what anyone claims. THey may or may not be Yorkie, but are a close cousin. I think they have other breeds in the mix and that makes them a little different.

They are a very pretty breed with the best personality. Everyone I ever saw was ver sweet and playful. They seem to get alongwith each other well and children too. I do not know any that are as aggressive as the Yorkies I know.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

The True Biewer is a yorkshire terrier......Look at his pedigree.......OMG how can it be a cousin when it came from pure yorkies. People need to research pedigrees and stop guessing. The tricolor was in yorkies way before Mr. Biewer ever had one.

[BaileysOwner]

Biewers are truly just a yorkie with mutated colors. If you breed a breed standard yorkie with a biewer, it is just a yorkie. No mutts. A biewer is straight from yorkies. Same breed, different color. Like a brindle boxer to a fawn boxer. There should be no difference in bone, muscle, or any body structure. All of the hair textures turn out the same. Cottony and thick, silky and thin. It will always just be a yorkie with different colors, so AKC might accept it as its own breed or just a different color under the breed. They might just have two color patterns, one called "Blue and Tan" and one called "Biewer." it is like great Danes being able to have some enter black and some enter blue.

[YorkieMother]

I would think 8 and a bit years of this back and forward Biewer are are not terriers stuff get a lot old. For those of us that watch Irene at Steller yorkies bring her first ones over and those of us that fell in love with these painted babies for the wonderful interesting characters that they are need to just get on and do our thing and let this fight go to those that really do not care about them just want to fight.

Last time I checked every single breed in the whole wide world is a cross with something else somewhere in time even our beloved normal yorkies and their siblings biewers and partis. What is important is that they are healthy and loved and raised with care for what they are not for the cash that anyone can get out of them. That they are working on a standard that they breed to so that at some point like all other cross bred dogs in the past they will breed to type and form and then close the stud book... is that not how every single other dog bred in the world wide world came about. from Yorkies Shepard to bull dogs to all breeds all over the world every single one of them so lets get on doing that with this breed and stop worrying so much from whence it came and see where we can take it.. in fighting will kill this breed if we do not get over ourselves. Pick a standard, find a compromise let build a bred we can all be proud of.

[Marilize]

I know this is an old thread, but I just want to comment for future record.

I'm a Biewer breeder and I recently traced my new baby girl's bloodline all the way back to Darling von Friedheck. Together with Fru Fru von Friedheck, the "first" tricolour Yorkie puppies were born to Mr and Mrs Biewer off this pair. The result was caused by a recessive piebald gene.

Through selective breeding in the years to follow, the Biewer breed was cultivated into a sweet, loving companion breed with a very low prey drive. They are totally in tune with their masters and get along well with other dogs and people.

Our dogs are DNA tested to prove that they are different from the Yorkshire Terrier breed. We don't mix with Yorkies or Partis. Partis are often mixed with Yorkies to produce carrier babies, but we'd never cross a Biewer with a Yorkie anymore. It would be considered an outcross of the worst kind (in our club at least). We aim to establish and improve the Biewer breed as a new rare emerging breed.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

When you traced your pedigree back to Darling and Fru Fru did you see what breed they were? Your pedigree goes much further back than just Darling and Fru Fru. Mr. Biewer may have had the first tri color born in Germany but his were certainly not the "first" ever produced. They were showing up in England and the U.S. years before he got his.
I wish you well on your endeavor to only breed Biewer to Biewer.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

It seems you are just starting your journey with these lovely little dogs and experience will teach you that you have much to learn. The more you know, the more you don't know..right. I also wish you the best in your desire to breed Biewer to biewer only..once you start to breed these sweet dogs you will soon start to put their futures about everything else and you may just change your tune. Jusst keep your mind open and don't be swayed by those who may be leading you down a rose colored path lined by pretty colored thorns.

-Diana

[Marilize]

Thanks for the replies. I am not ignorant to the controversy surrounding the Biewer breed, but I personally believe that they are a different, separate breed despite having originated in Yorkies. Darling von Friedheck was a purebred Yorkie and this is where the foundation of our line comes from.

If you look at how new breeds have emerged in the past, you'll see that mutations like this often leads to new breeds. For example, all spaniels come from the springer spaniel. The cocker spaniel was once a mutation and someone decided that they liked the attributes so much that they wanted to create a bloodline from it.

This is what Mr and Mrs Biewer did and I like the results so much that I got involved in the breed. I had Yorkies first but they aren't breeding quality.

The Biewer bloodline breeds tricolour babies of high quality consistently and this is why I wouldn't outcross with a Yorkie - it makes your line more inconsistent and that's the opposite of what a breeder wants.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Yes, you have that right, Some biewers are their own breed because they did get something mixed in them. Most of those are Biewer Terriers as they are called. The true Biewer Yorkshire a la pom pon will test as a Yorkshire terrier.

[Marilize]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

Yes, you have that right, Some biewers are their own breed because they did get something mixed in them. Most of those are Biewer Terriers as they are called. The true Biewer Yorkshire a la pom pon will test as a Yorkshire terrier.

Very interesting point. I just checked with my mentor and she says that we haven't started DNA testing because the local laboratory won't release any data to us after testing. We are looking for a new laboratory, closer to where I live. Once that's finalised, we'll start DNA testing but I was wrong to say that our dogs are tested as Biewer Terriers. I know another Biewer breeder who DNA tests and confirms her dogs as Biewer Terriers, so I actually thought it was a little more straightforward and that all Biewers from the Darling von Friedheck line would test as Biewers. Assumptions are the mother of all problems!

Back on point, I don't breed Biewer Terriers. Along with the guidance of my mentor, I breed Biewer Yorkshire a'la Pom Pons. And we don't outcross with Yorkies simply because the Yorkie bloodlines in South Africa aren't breeding quality and those who are, are owned by show breeders who would never consider crossing with a Biewer.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

I appreciate that you went back to check your facts and that you are NOT breeding Biewer Terriers! It is also true that one would never breed in a traditional colored yorkie of a lesser quality than the tri colored or Biewer yorkie to which you are breeding it to.. that would make no sense at all. If you are not breeding top quality dogs, there is not point in breeding at all. When I breed back to a traditional or a Parti colored yorkie, it is for specific reasons (health being the most important) and I can assure you, that the only dogs that would be used would be of equal or superior quality to my Biewers. There are some breeders of superior quality AKC yorkies here in the states that understand what we are trying to accomplish and help us with our goals in working towards a healthy Biewer.. it's just to important not to at least try.

-Diana