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SophieKatesMom · 06-30-2011, 04:34 PM

Hi Welcome to Yorkie Talk, I looked at your complaint and the pictures of your first puppy. I am so sorry for your loss, that little baby looks so sick.

Zhoie is cute, cute and cute- congratulations on getting a rescue it sounds like you are working really hard with her.

If it helps I have to wonder if sometimes Yorkie are just little skittish (maybe just some are). My Sophie Kate has been with me since she was 3 months old, her first home which she was in 1 week was a bad experience for her - the man in the house was abusive (I know to a 3 lb dog, go figure). Sophie Kate is now 3 years old and some things still scare her, like someone reaching out to pet her without her smelling their hand first and yelling makes her nervous.

I have learned along the way that it is a trust issue, Sophie Kate has to trust someone a lot - she is just not everyones "BFF" but that is okay, she is very sweet natured and kind of shy.

Good luck and keep posting on Yorkie Talk you will like it here.

Nicolecana · 06-30-2011, 05:00 PM

SohiaKate and Mom, TY for responding. I have enjoyed YT a lot already and so appreciate the advice. We had not had a dog for over 10 years when we got Gracie. Back problems dictated my need for a smaller dog. I thought I could manage a 5 or 6 pound one. I've always admired Yorkies and read up on their needs and possible problems along with several other breeds. We decided a Yorkie most fit our life style and activities. I guess I was too trusting, but thought I'd taken all the precautions by during searches online. Never entered my mind that one person could be using more than one kennel name and changing her name. That's in the past. Zoyie is my focal point now. We tell people to let her initiate all contact and to move slowly and let her smell the back of their hands. If she moves away, she's not ready. Our biggest problem is people see such a tiny dog and just have to pet her. She still has a puppy look about her. I let my husband carry her most of the time when we're out shopping etc. He's a no nonsense type of person and when people ask to pet her he never hesitates to say NO! I feel like I need to explain why they can't pet her.
We're learning what her limits are for the most part. She changes her limits from person to person though, so we're learning to read her body language and take our cues from her.

Taryn0405 · 06-30-2011, 08:43 PM

This story, and the photos had my husband and I in tears.

God bless you for taking care of two wonderful babies and for going forward with this crook!

Welcome to YT! You'll be in good company. We have many P.I.'s as well, and we all try our best to get these shady breeders out in the open and exposed!

Nicolecana · 07-01-2011, 05:44 AM

I will add your tears to mine. I sure have shed many over the loss of Gracie. I had to let it go for awhile. Having Zoyie has renewed my conviction to try and stop what this woman is doing. Everyone has been so supportive on YT. I need all the support I can get. THank-you for your kindness.

SophieKatesMom · 07-01-2011, 07:55 PM

I apologize for getting your current babies name incorrect, I said Zhoie and it's Zoyle (which is a very cool name). Again sorry.

Nicolecana · 07-02-2011, 04:09 AM

Never a need to apologize for the spelling of her name. Few people spell it the way I do. Might just be that spelling is not correct. My husband named her. He said she was beginning a new life with us, so she needed a new name to start it with. Have a great day and a Happy 4th!

gracielove · 07-02-2011, 05:40 AM

It just turns my stomach to hear what these puppy mills are doing. People just want a cute little puppy and end up being treated in such a cruel manner. These dogs and puppies are being cared for by cruel heartless people. I can see why your baby is so fearful. Anyone as dishonest as the people who run these mills would have no problem throwing a little dog around.
As you take your time and love this little dog you will find she will get better. Don't stay at one level for too long but slowly encourage her to investigate new things. Slow is the key word but always moving forward. Your dog lived in fear most of her little life and is encased in it. She has to be brought out of it. To accept fear and live with it is defeat. Never reward a fearful response as it builds and encourages more fear. It sounds like you are doing great. I hope people involved with rescue dogs will be able to direct you to trainers that can help you.

Nicolecana · 07-02-2011, 07:54 AM

Gracielove TY for responding to my posting. The transition time was much quicker than we thought it would be for some things with Zoyie. We have learned to read her body language to signal us when she doesn't like a situation, person, or another dog. The key to acclimating her into any situation needs to be on her terms, not ours. Given enough time and exposure to the afore mentioned seems to calm her fears over a period of time. She still has some quirks, but they are livable and we're a work in progress. We started her out in a pen in the center of our home, the kitchen. We left the gate open and she was free to venture out or not. At first she retreated often to her bed in the pen. That was her safety zone. Once she became accustomed to the "workings" of our home, she retreated less and less. Eventually the pen came down but her bed was left where it was. Once we had gained her trust, she sought us out if she couldn't see us from her bed. We let her set the pace. Within 2-3 weeks she was adjusted pretty much to her new home. We poured on the praise and treats when we saw acceptable behavior whether it was playing with a toy or going to the door to be let out. We tried to limit our scolding, which was the word "NO" to the most flagrant situations. She is now, for the most part learning to be a confident dog that loves naps in our laps, play times, etc. She will now initiate play with us by bringing us a toy. She is the joy of our lives. We've never once regretted taking her in. Is it easy, for the most part, I'd have to say yes. Would I take in a rescued dog from a puppy mill again? Without hesitation. All our dogs, before Zoyie, were rescued dogs of questionable lineage other than Gracie. YT people have been so supportive. I welcome any advice. As I said before, we're a work in progress. New situations are always cropping up that we didn't even think about. I look at where we started and where we are today and then try and focus on the tomorrows to forsee uncomfortable situations she might be put in outside of our home. We've had a few setbacks. I know it's unrealistic to think I can prevent these situations. One example: She goes ballistics when she hears thunder . I am dreading the 4th already. I am not sure how to help her overcome the fear of loud noises. Any suggestions are welcome.

06-30-2011, 04:34 PM	#16
SophieKatesMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 3,242	Hi Welcome to Yorkie Talk, I looked at your complaint and the pictures of your first puppy. I am so sorry for your loss, that little baby looks so sick. Zhoie is cute, cute and cute- congratulations on getting a rescue it sounds like you are working really hard with her. If it helps I have to wonder if sometimes Yorkie are just little skittish (maybe just some are). My Sophie Kate has been with me since she was 3 months old, her first home which she was in 1 week was a bad experience for her - the man in the house was abusive (I know to a 3 lb dog, go figure). Sophie Kate is now 3 years old and some things still scare her, like someone reaching out to pet her without her smelling their hand first and yelling makes her nervous. I have learned along the way that it is a trust issue, Sophie Kate has to trust someone a lot - she is just not everyones "BFF" but that is okay, she is very sweet natured and kind of shy. Good luck and keep posting on Yorkie Talk you will like it here. __________________ Cheryl,Mom to SophieKate

06-30-2011, 08:43 PM	#18
Taryn0405 Owned by a Gremlin Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Mitten State! Posts: 3,706	This story, and the photos had my husband and I in tears. God bless you for taking care of two wonderful babies and for going forward with this crook! Welcome to YT! You'll be in good company. We have many P.I.'s as well, and we all try our best to get these shady breeders out in the open and exposed! __________________ Taryn Momma to Gizmo AKA Monkeyman My husband, daughter, son, and dog make me who I am "My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am."

07-01-2011, 07:55 PM	#20
SophieKatesMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 3,242	I apologize for getting your current babies name incorrect, I said Zhoie and it's Zoyle (which is a very cool name). Again sorry. __________________ Cheryl,Mom to SophieKate

06-30-2011, 05:00 PM	#17
Nicolecana Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sharpsville,Indiana south of Kokomo Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 1	SohiaKate and Mom, TY for responding. I have enjoyed YT a lot already and so appreciate the advice. We had not had a dog for over 10 years when we got Gracie. Back problems dictated my need for a smaller dog. I thought I could manage a 5 or 6 pound one. I've always admired Yorkies and read up on their needs and possible problems along with several other breeds. We decided a Yorkie most fit our life style and activities. I guess I was too trusting, but thought I'd taken all the precautions by during searches online. Never entered my mind that one person could be using more than one kennel name and changing her name. That's in the past. Zoyie is my focal point now. We tell people to let her initiate all contact and to move slowly and let her smell the back of their hands. If she moves away, she's not ready. Our biggest problem is people see such a tiny dog and just have to pet her. She still has a puppy look about her. I let my husband carry her most of the time when we're out shopping etc. He's a no nonsense type of person and when people ask to pet her he never hesitates to say NO! I feel like I need to explain why they can't pet her. We're learning what her limits are for the most part. She changes her limits from person to person though, so we're learning to read her body language and take our cues from her.

07-01-2011, 05:44 AM	#19
Nicolecana Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sharpsville,Indiana south of Kokomo Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 1	I will add your tears to mine. I sure have shed many over the loss of Gracie. I had to let it go for awhile. Having Zoyie has renewed my conviction to try and stop what this woman is doing. Everyone has been so supportive on YT. I need all the support I can get. THank-you for your kindness.

07-02-2011, 04:09 AM	#21
Nicolecana Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sharpsville,Indiana south of Kokomo Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 1	Never a need to apologize for the spelling of her name. Few people spell it the way I do. Might just be that spelling is not correct. My husband named her. He said she was beginning a new life with us, so she needed a new name to start it with. Have a great day and a Happy 4th!

07-02-2011, 05:40 AM	#22
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	It just turns my stomach to hear what these puppy mills are doing. People just want a cute little puppy and end up being treated in such a cruel manner. These dogs and puppies are being cared for by cruel heartless people. I can see why your baby is so fearful. Anyone as dishonest as the people who run these mills would have no problem throwing a little dog around. As you take your time and love this little dog you will find she will get better. Don't stay at one level for too long but slowly encourage her to investigate new things. Slow is the key word but always moving forward. Your dog lived in fear most of her little life and is encased in it. She has to be brought out of it. To accept fear and live with it is defeat. Never reward a fearful response as it builds and encourages more fear. It sounds like you are doing great. I hope people involved with rescue dogs will be able to direct you to trainers that can help you.

07-02-2011, 07:54 AM	#23
Nicolecana Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sharpsville,Indiana south of Kokomo Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 1	Gracielove TY for responding to my posting. The transition time was much quicker than we thought it would be for some things with Zoyie. We have learned to read her body language to signal us when she doesn't like a situation, person, or another dog. The key to acclimating her into any situation needs to be on her terms, not ours. Given enough time and exposure to the afore mentioned seems to calm her fears over a period of time. She still has some quirks, but they are livable and we're a work in progress. We started her out in a pen in the center of our home, the kitchen. We left the gate open and she was free to venture out or not. At first she retreated often to her bed in the pen. That was her safety zone. Once she became accustomed to the "workings" of our home, she retreated less and less. Eventually the pen came down but her bed was left where it was. Once we had gained her trust, she sought us out if she couldn't see us from her bed. We let her set the pace. Within 2-3 weeks she was adjusted pretty much to her new home. We poured on the praise and treats when we saw acceptable behavior whether it was playing with a toy or going to the door to be let out. We tried to limit our scolding, which was the word "NO" to the most flagrant situations. She is now, for the most part learning to be a confident dog that loves naps in our laps, play times, etc. She will now initiate play with us by bringing us a toy. She is the joy of our lives. We've never once regretted taking her in. Is it easy, for the most part, I'd have to say yes. Would I take in a rescued dog from a puppy mill again? Without hesitation. All our dogs, before Zoyie, were rescued dogs of questionable lineage other than Gracie. YT people have been so supportive. I welcome any advice. As I said before, we're a work in progress. New situations are always cropping up that we didn't even think about. I look at where we started and where we are today and then try and focus on the tomorrows to forsee uncomfortable situations she might be put in outside of our home. We've had a few setbacks. I know it's unrealistic to think I can prevent these situations. One example: She goes ballistics when she hears thunder . I am dreading the 4th already. I am not sure how to help her overcome the fear of loud noises. Any suggestions are welcome.