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YorkieRini · 11-19-2005, 06:32 AM

[CENTER]***I'm just posting this to educate others***[/CENTER]

People ask me ALL the time can you help me buy a Biewer for breeding? The answer I give is 'no'. I am not being nasty I just encourage people to go out and find what they want themselves. They will find it they just have to look on their own. Develop their own reputation.
To be certain you have the True Biewer you must see the pedigree and the colors of the ancestors in writing. If you don't you run the risk of breeding something that is NOT..that's just my opinion. That's why I HATE to see folks buying Biewers from brokers let a lone for breeding. Brokers do not have the breeds interest at heart, only their pocket book. I see people buying from brokers because they a) don't have the patience to wait for something or b) the broker feeds them a line of BS that you can't get a Biewer unless its through them. If you do your homework spend time (a couple years) familiarizing yourself with the breed and then contact breeders if you want to do this breed justice and start breeding them.
I know some have already bought Biewers from brokers and they are NOT even close to the standard. The broker said it was, but because they didn't research and look around they ended up with an almost all white dog with a patch aroudn the eye of like a silver color. That is NOT even close to the standard.
I am trying to educate those that are thinking about getting into Biewers or looking for a pet.
I can't believe the cost of a Biewer if you buy through a broker..it's outrageous!!! I have heard horror stories about sick puppies, buying something that's not a true Biewer. The Broker won't stand behind that puppy, they didn't breed it. Brokers can't tell you about the History of the puppy your considering they also can't compare pedigrees to make sure you are buying something compatible for breeding. What I mean by that is Biewers are still rather new and you have to becareful who you breed to who, you don't just throw a male and female together. You run the risk of breeding too close.
Now you also have to be careful buying from breeders some can be just as shady.

I guess the long and short of this is don't buy the first thing available.

Good luck and take your time searching for that special puppy!

Hugs,
Wini

YorkieRose · 11-19-2005, 11:16 AM

Good post..I do not think I have the desire to get into the Biewers..they are lovely and I want to try Isabella and see what I get...but I doubt I will keep anything and breed it...good luck to you and you gorgeous Biewers.

mmyorkies · 11-19-2005, 12:57 PM

That is not just about Biewer's, but runs true about any breed. We have tried and tried to educate the public about buying puppies from pet shops, brokers, byb's and sneaky internet advertisers. But people get too impatient and want it NOW. When they won't wait they usually end up dissappointed or with a sick puppy, or with something that turns out to be completely different than what they pictured.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-19-2005, 02:30 PM

I saw a thread on here yesterday where someone, a Biewer Breeder who is studying the history of livershunt in yorkies, is planning a trip to Germany soon and hoping to actually meet with Mr. Biewer herself. If I were interested in Biewers I would go on that trip!!! That woud be so neat. Did anyone else see that?

MeganS · 11-19-2005, 02:36 PM

Wow, Kim, i didn't see that. how awsome would that be!?!?!?

troubletb · 11-19-2005, 02:42 PM

I think Biewers are beautiful and I would love to own one someday, buy I doubt that I would ever breed any.. I have my hands full with the standard yorkie! But for those who do want to get into it, Rini gives some sound advise!!

yorkiemom1970 · 11-19-2005, 03:19 PM

wini, that's so correct and i enjoyed reading. that's why if and when i do decide i am ready to aquire one of these exsquisite dogs, that i would only buy from a person such as yourself or rini or sue...who know what the h*** they are talking about and have a true passion for them. they're may be other wonderful biewer breeders on yt i didnt mention above and if so, i apolojize, i just only know and have spoke to a few. i know that pat has one and she should know by now how i feel about her and her dogs. i love all of you on yt that are embarking on this beautiful breed and i hope to maybe someday have one of my own, show him or her and later on have some little darlings. thanks to you wini and all the rest...

yorkiemom1970 · 11-19-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I saw a thread on here yesterday where someone, a Biewer Breeder who is studying the history of livershunt in yorkies, is planning a trip to Germany soon and hoping to actually meet with Mr. Biewer herself. If I were interested in Biewers I would go on that trip!!! That woud be so neat. Did anyone else see that?

i did read that too. how awesome!

Snow Yorkies · 11-19-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I saw a thread on here yesterday where someone, a Biewer Breeder who is studying the history of livershunt in yorkies, is planning a trip to Germany soon and hoping to actually meet with Mr. Biewer herself. If I were interested in Biewers I would go on that trip!!! That woud be so neat. Did anyone else see that?

It was me that posted that yesterday...

The reason we are trying plan this meeting as we want to start a reputable Club for Americans. We need to know first hand what Mr. Biewer's plans were for this breed. I am very passionate on continuing his work in the manner he planned it to be. Although many breeders in Germany have been wonderful resources, we just don't know 100% that their advise is what the founder intended. So, if Mrs. Biewer (Mr.Biewer has since passed away) is willing to share her husband's work with us we will know first hand and can continue his legacy. Then we will have the foundation in starting a informed reputable club....

Don't want to forget to thank Rini for a wonderful post!!!

whispersmom2 · 11-19-2005, 10:06 PM

There is so much to learn before you buy any dog, but most especially these Biewer babies. They come a long distance to get here and it is hard to really judge their quality.
I have spoken with one woman who was unhappy with the Biewers she bought, but there is ever so much more to the story than has been told.
The issue with PSS has clouded a lot of other issues. I cannot guess how many Biewers there are here in the USA, but a lot. PSS is almost common in out standard colors and we are not raising the roof about it. These dogs do not just get sick and die overnight even if the shunt is severe. And last I heard, the sister was still here but I have not heard she has been spayed or bred, either.
BTW, Irene is Rini on the forum. My actual name is Rini and I post as Whispersmom but occasionally sign a post with my name or Rini's cuties.. That can cause some confusion, but Irene and I manage to sort things out.
As for my litter that is ready to place, they have been vetted and all just the way I do my standard colors. They have been a wonderful litter to watch grow to this age. If anyone wants to see their pics, PM me and I will e-mail them..They are quality and can give you an idea what a nice Biewer/Parti mix looks like. Matter of fact, most cannot tell them apart..They will not be registered..

11-19-2005, 06:32 AM	#1
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	So you wanna buy a Biewer.?? [CENTER]*I'm just posting this to educate others[/CENTER] People ask me ALL the time can you help me buy a Biewer for breeding? The answer I give is 'no'. I am not being nasty I just encourage people to go out and find what they want themselves. They will find it they just have to look on their own. Develop their own reputation. To be certain you have the True Biewer you must see the pedigree and the colors of the ancestors in writing. If you don't you run the risk of breeding something that is NOT..that's just my opinion. That's why I HATE* to see folks buying Biewers from brokers let a lone for breeding. Brokers do not have the breeds interest at heart, only their pocket book. I see people buying from brokers because they a) don't have the patience to wait for something or b) the broker feeds them a line of BS that you can't get a Biewer unless its through them. If you do your homework spend time (a couple years) familiarizing yourself with the breed and then contact breeders if you want to do this breed justice and start breeding them. I know some have already bought Biewers from brokers and they are NOT even close to the standard. The broker said it was, but because they didn't research and look around they ended up with an almost all white dog with a patch aroudn the eye of like a silver color. That is NOT even close to the standard. I am trying to educate those that are thinking about getting into Biewers or looking for a pet. I can't believe the cost of a Biewer if you buy through a broker..it's outrageous!!! I have heard horror stories about sick puppies, buying something that's not a true Biewer. The Broker won't stand behind that puppy, they didn't breed it. Brokers can't tell you about the History of the puppy your considering they also can't compare pedigrees to make sure you are buying something compatible for breeding. What I mean by that is Biewers are still rather new and you have to becareful who you breed to who, you don't just throw a male and female together. You run the risk of breeding too close. Now you also have to be careful buying from breeders some can be just as shady. I guess the long and short of this is don't buy the first thing available. Good luck and take your time searching for that special puppy! Hugs, Wini

11-19-2005, 11:16 AM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	post Good post..I do not think I have the desire to get into the Biewers..they are lovely and I want to try Isabella and see what I get...but I doubt I will keep anything and breed it...good luck to you and you gorgeous Biewers.

11-19-2005, 02:36 PM	#5
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,016 Blog Entries: 1	Wow, Kim, i didn't see that. how awsome would that be!?!?!? __________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All

11-19-2005, 02:42 PM	#6
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	I think Biewers are beautiful and I would love to own one someday, buy I doubt that I would ever breed any.. I have my hands full with the standard yorkie! But for those who do want to get into it, Rini gives some sound advise!! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

11-19-2005, 12:57 PM	#3
mmyorkies No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 357	That is not just about Biewer's, but runs true about any breed. We have tried and tried to educate the public about buying puppies from pet shops, brokers, byb's and sneaky internet advertisers. But people get too impatient and want it NOW. When they won't wait they usually end up dissappointed or with a sick puppy, or with something that turns out to be completely different than what they pictured.

11-19-2005, 02:30 PM	#4
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I saw a thread on here yesterday where someone, a Biewer Breeder who is studying the history of livershunt in yorkies, is planning a trip to Germany soon and hoping to actually meet with Mr. Biewer herself. If I were interested in Biewers I would go on that trip!!! That woud be so neat. Did anyone else see that?

11-19-2005, 03:19 PM	#7
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	wini, that's so correct and i enjoyed reading. that's why if and when i do decide i am ready to aquire one of these exsquisite dogs, that i would only buy from a person such as yourself or rini or sue...who know what the h*** they are talking about and have a true passion for them. they're may be other wonderful biewer breeders on yt i didnt mention above and if so, i apolojize, i just only know and have spoke to a few. i know that pat has one and she should know by now how i feel about her and her dogs. i love all of you on yt that are embarking on this beautiful breed and i hope to maybe someday have one of my own, show him or her and later on have some little darlings. thanks to you wini and all the rest...

11-19-2005, 10:06 PM	#10
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	There is so much to learn before you buy any dog, but most especially these Biewer babies. They come a long distance to get here and it is hard to really judge their quality. I have spoken with one woman who was unhappy with the Biewers she bought, but there is ever so much more to the story than has been told. The issue with PSS has clouded a lot of other issues. I cannot guess how many Biewers there are here in the USA, but a lot. PSS is almost common in out standard colors and we are not raising the roof about it. These dogs do not just get sick and die overnight even if the shunt is severe. And last I heard, the sister was still here but I have not heard she has been spayed or bred, either. BTW, Irene is Rini on the forum. My actual name is Rini and I post as Whispersmom but occasionally sign a post with my name or Rini's cuties.. That can cause some confusion, but Irene and I manage to sort things out. As for my litter that is ready to place, they have been vetted and all just the way I do my standard colors. They have been a wonderful litter to watch grow to this age. If anyone wants to see their pics, PM me and I will e-mail them..They are quality and can give you an idea what a nice Biewer/Parti mix looks like. Matter of fact, most cannot tell them apart..They will not be registered..