I can't do it!
 

Hello All:

My breeder is nice but she is feeding my Twix Ol'Roy and I'm just not a fan of the setup at her home. Nothing bad, but its not a great situation and it bothers me that my Yorkie has to stay there. I can't function right knowing that he is in a crate all day, he is with another Yorkie and I think 2 Maltese so I'm sure he is socializing BUT he needs more....he needs us!

I will be moving in a month but I feel my dog needs me now, I've had this feeling everyday! However, my current apartment does not allow pets. I have already informed them that I will be moving in July. My question is, do you think it would be noticeable if I brought Twix home this weekend?

Do they bark loud at 3 1/2 months old? I don't wanna disturb the neighbors or cause issues! I just want my boy to be loved and happy!

If you think your Yorkie would be better off with you than the breeder, I have to question why you would choose this breeder. Hope you get a really good health guarantee.

As for barking at that age, some do and some don't. Best to consider the consequences if you are caught. What will happen to you and what will happen to the pup if your landlord discovers you are breaking the rules?

I have to agree. I would think staying w its breeder would be the best thing for the little one until you are in a place that allows him. Why do you think he is not in a good place?

He has a ways to be housetrained, and that would also probably not make your landlord very happy. Puppies have accidents.

Thanks! I don't wanna bad mouth the breeder. Nothing bad about her at all. I just didn't like that she fed them Ol'Roy and that it seems they stayed in the crate all day. She had several puppies, maybe around 20. She is an elderly lady and I know she can't handle them all and give them individual moments of love.

Her daughter does most of the work and her communication sucks. I haven't been able to reach her yet. I've emailed her twice and no response. I think she might be upset because her mom took off $150 from the price. The mom even said her daughter will freak out when she runs across the transaction in the books and I guess that is exactly what happened!

I'm going to visit my dog this weekend and talk to him, hopefully he can tell me if he is being cared for correctly lol.

I'm taking a collar to help easily identify him from his brother because they looked very similar and I don't want them to sell the wrong dog. The mom said she would paint one of his toe nails to ID him but I'm not sure if she did!

I WANT MY DOG! This month can't go by fast enough!! Everytime I go to the store I'm coming out with bags and bags of puppy supplies! I'm addicted!

A collar on a pup kept in a kennel would not be a good idea. The collar can get caught in the cage and choke the pup.

This does not sound like a good situation. I know you are eager to have a pup, but you should understand the risk of buying from this breeder.

Is she giving you a really good health guarantee?

So many red flags -- too many puppy litters, multiple breeds, older woman not capable of caring for the pups, feeding Ol Roy.

Keep in mind, a sick Yorkie can run up thousands of dollars in medical bills. A pup can look healthy when you pick them up, but a few days or weeks later, everything can go downhill fast. This is often what happens with bad breeding.

I hate to jump on the band wagon and come down on the breeder but I have to say the things you mention about her are all red flags! First and foremost I don't think any dog should be fed Old Roy. You would think if you have high $$$ dogs like Yorkies and that you are breeding them and making $$$, she could at least feed good quality food.

I assume you have already paid for your pup or you could look elsewhere for a better breeder.

When you go for your visit maybe you could take a bag of GOOD dog food and ask if she can start feeding your pup that food so that he can transition into something you will be feeding at your home. Also when you go you should take your own odd color nail polish and mark the toe nails for yourself so you don't end up with a different dog.

Make sure you also do a very good visual check up on your dog, like eyes, mouth, tail, check for hernias, ect.

In any case, good luck with your new baby and hope you get to bring him home soon.

Um, you say there's nothing "bad" about this breeder, then you list all the bad things LOL I wouldn't feed Ol Roy to my worst enemy's dog. Leaving dogs in crates continuously isn't good for them, and with so many puppies and dogs, how can they possibly be well cared for? If I were you, I'd be getting my money back and looking elsewhere. Unfortunately, puppies that come from situations like this are often sickly and end up racking up vet bills in the thousands. And that's if they survive:( I'm really not trying to be rude, I just hope to help you understand what you're in for if you go through with the purchase of this pup. I wish you all the best, truly:love:

Yeah- this sounds like a terrible situation- I would never buy from someone who I wasn't comfortable with having my dog. I had a short trip planned before I got my first Yorkie- I worked it out with the breeder and I took him home for a few weeks to start to get him settled in and then she watched him while I was away- she didn't want him with a stranger at such a young age. I had no issues sending him back there- if I thought she mistreated him or couldn't properly care for him, I never would have taken him in the first place.

20 puppies is ALOT! And it seems odd to me that a breeder can't keep track of which puppy was sold to which person??? Nail polish on the toenail at such an advanced age?

All of my dogs have at the very least cried at that age- when left alone, when put in the crate at night- I don't think it is very easy to hide a dog.

Oh man, and if they're unresponsive NOW, before the final sale, just wait until you have a problem later on. Please please please re-think this whole thing:(

Awww....I know you are dying!! I have a 3 month old..he rarely barks unless hes really playing hard, and even then, its such a tiny yap. I do agree this breeder doesnt sound like the greatest...especially the choice of food! If it were me, Id go rescue my baby....

As far as health concerns, I agree witht he others...be prepared! Hopefully he will be happy, healthy and live a long wonderful life! You just never know with these little ones...mine are all covered by PetPlan just to be safe...you might check into that!!!:)

Good Luck!!!:D

I've been getting by with TWO dogs in a no dog apartment for almost a year now... my neighbors love them... even thought they get barked at haha. I even put Tikka out in the yard on a cable and no one minds.

I actually think we might be allowed 1 small dog, but def not two haha. We're the only ones with dogs.
I would say if its for less than a month or so you'll be fine.


Also, I agree with the other posts, I know you are eager for your puppy, but did you buy out of eagerness too? Def. get your puppy vet checked as soon as you bring him/her home and get the recommended testing done... Bile Acid, LP, and look for a quality food from the list here on YT. I'm not an expert but I have learned A LOT on here.

Also let me add... I was VERY eager to buy a Yorkie for my birthday. I had read about Yorkie care on here, but didn't find the reputable breeder site until I had already purchased Tikka from her family, she is 9 months old, 8 months when I got her. Already she has something wrong with her and the vet bills are adding up. She has a UTI that isn't going away and now I am switching pills and going to get blood work and urine cutlures taken... it's gets pricey!
She also 8.6lbs, I was told she would be 4lbs, then they said 7lbs, then my vets scale showed 8.6 lol... I LOVE her though bigger is much better! But she isn't the breed standard that every breeder should breed for. [4-7lbs is a good standard weight I say]

Usually when an apartment doesn't allow dogs they can give you a real hard time. When we bought our home we bought two basset hounds figuring that we were only going to be there a month. Well all you need is one big mouth neighbor and forget it. We had all kinds of problems with the landlord, even threatened to take us to court, but maybe with a yorkie it wont be as bad. It depends on the landlord.

Well, you're the only one who would be able to know whether or not the pup will go unnoticed in your appartment. He could bark, he may not. Does the place have wall to wall carpet? What would happen if after you moved the landlord saw a stain that you couldn't get out? Those kinds of things are what I would think about there. What would I do? If I really thought no one would notice, I'd take him now.

As far as the bandwagon here and whether or not to even take him - well, I'm not gonna lie and say I wouldn't, especially if you're already attached to him. BUT - this is a BAD breeding situation for sure no matter how nice the lady is. I just hope you're not paying a lot of money for him. I'd 'rescue' a FREE dog from a situation like that, but I'd never in a billion years pay for one coming from that kind of a breeder. Like was said, if you're paying for him you better have a good health guarantee. To be perfectly frank, I honestly think that woman should be reported - 20 puppies! in cages! being fed garbage! it's just sounds really aweful to me. Alice came from a BYB that works with a relative of mine, but she was free and they only had one litter and the dogs had a huge area in the kitchen to be in and a fenced in yard to play in, were held and played with etc. I still wouldn't have paid for her though and that home was WAY better than the one you're describing Twix is coming from. Hopefully he's nice and healthy for you. Good luck.

If you are already committed to this baby financially or emotionally and are prepared for the possible fall out from buying from a questionable breeder, I would get him out as soon as possible. If he is 3 1/2 months now I would try and take him home this weekend. I am not one to break the rules but if you can either keep him quiet or tell the building management that it is only for 1 month and you will pay for any damages he/she will make an exception. I hope it all works out.

I feel for you on this, I really do. I knew the consquences of buying from a backyard breeder, but when I laid eyes on Foxy, it was over. I just lost my other yorkie right before Christmas and wanted another soooo badly. That being said, she has had the MOST issues you could possibly imagine. I drove 5 hrs to get her and she wasnt the picture I had in mind..She has horrible teeth, was actually pregnant, just not well cared for at all. We have tons of vet bills and more to come. Now with that being said, I cannot say I wouldnt do it again, because in my stubborn mind I felt like I was rescuing her and I still feel that way. I really cannot help you with any good advice other than please be sure you are able to do vet bills and such in case this breeder isnt as good as you think. JMO..

I agree!!! It sounds like you are already committed and love this pup. I would get him ASAP...you are already going to move...the worst the landlord could do is evict you...and he has to give you 30 day with the eviction or atleast that is the law here in florida.

It is very unlikely anyone would know you have a pup in the house. When they are young they dont bark.

Yeah, I think I'd go get him too. Also, take him to a vet right away and have him checked over real good. You want to make sure he has no hernias, luxating patella, ear infection or mites, worms, uti, etc. At his age, I'd want to start loving and bonding with him. I'm not going to bash the breeder or anyone who gets a puppy from such a breeder. I don't know the situation well enough to comment. Get your little guy, love him, and take good care of him!

If it were me, I'd run from this breeder! It's hard to walk away from the cute pups that are seemingly uncared for, but buying and supporting this kind of breeder is not saving the pups, it's enabling the greeder.

You can't get a hold of the daughter before she got your money? Imagine what will happen if you try to contact her about an illness congential defect or anything else later?

btw 20 puppies????! how did you find this person to begin with?

Thank you everyone. I actually heard about her from someone else who got the info from another friend. None of them have any problems. I can get in touch with the mother, its just the daughter I can't and she seems to be the "boss". I kinda prefer sticking with the mom now anyway. I'll just ask all my questions when I see her Saturday.

I called around to some vets and they were saying they generally just do a regular exam for a new puppy. I was explaining the situation about the breeder and I said I wanted a thorough check. She said they don't generally do bloodwork and all that unless the doctor notices something when they check him out. I called like 5 vets today and that was the general answer.

They all agreed the food was horrible but they have seen other dogs raised up on it for long periods of time. Everyone just stated to change the food immediately. I lurk around the entire forum so I already know what my food choices will be.

About the breeder...she has an add on unit to her home which is air conditioned. Its like 3 or 4 dogs in a few crates, some have only 1 or 2 dogs in them. They are not all on top of each other. They all had fresh newspaper in each crate and fresh food and water. They didn't look deprived at all. I just didn't think he is getting the individual attention and love he needs.

LOL @ sneaky two dogs in! You sound like my neighbor. One day we saw one little puppy, the next day it was a big bushy dog. Its like really???? We were upset because we want our dog as well but never complained or informed anyone. We will decide the best decision for Twix in the long run.

Thanks again for all the concern and advice. We just can't wait to get Twix home.

:thumbup:

It's also not a good idea to bring a new pet in to the home during a move. New puppies are stressful. Moves are stressful. It's hard to keep to a good routine that the pups need and it's even harder to keep them SAFE during the upheaval.

As far as the testing, you should be able to simply request for and LP test and bile acid test. No vet should argue about those two test if your puppy has never had them done. Those can cause major problems in the long run, a good/reputable breeder will usually have those test done before they hand over the puppy and usually provide at least a 1 year health garuntee. Just so ya know :D


Tikka isn't from a reputable breeder nor were her previous owners, they were quite sketchy so Tikka will be getting those tests done soon!

Thank you so much! I will ask about those test!!

But the dtr is the "boss" but you can't get a hold of the "boss" only the assistant. Does not sound good to me at all. I've gotta say, since you do read and lurk around here a lot, I think it's fairly obvious you know a lot more about what and what not to look for in a breeder than I did before I got my first yorkie. With that, I don't understand why you are getting your pup from this family. Really, I do not understand why you are trusting them to give (um, sell) you a puppy that will be a life long dedication.

You were the one who said you didn't like the situation, and there were about 20 dogs. Now you say she isn't that bad there's only 3 or 4 dogs in a few crates. Obviously you didn't feel great about the breeder in the first place, that's why you started this thread. Now you defend her? :confused: Were you just looking for us to tell you, "it's ok, you're doing such a great thing by saving this baby from the horrible breeder."? By buying your puppy from this breeder you are putting money back in their pockets. Only breeders who breed for the betterment of the breed should be breeding. I have a feeling if a breeder is feeding Ol' Roy, they do NOT have the dogs best interest at heart. There are just far too many dogs in rescues and shelters being put down every day for just anyone to breed and continue the cycle of too many animals, not enough good homes. :(:(:(

Do your have a friend Twix could hang out with - with lots of visits of course - until the move was officially completed. I kept my friends dog until they could get moved and they came every evening after work and even brought me pizza and other good things to eat and drink !

I did it before!
 

I have no idea what OlRoy is...last year, I lived in an apartment that didn't allow dogs...I got Carmel and have him for 9 months and Emma for 6 months there. I never got caught...I was always very careful and tried to take them out with me 80-90% of the time. Also, they stayed at my bf's place 3 times a week. They rarely stayed at my place when I'm not there. My bf and I trade off when we have work...they would stay more at his place if we both are busy because he lives with his parents and they are okay with it. Thus, we did plan out everything before getting them...hope things work out for you!

Also, my babies' don't bark. Even now that we live in an apartment that allows dogs...my next door neighbor says that it doesn't even sound like we have dogs... we do wish Carmel would bark...only heard him bark once at the dog park to protect Emma. Emma barks more, but still not that much. Maybe I got lucky and got none yappy dogs?

It's probably best you have never heard of Ol Roy, they are sold exclusively at WalMarts :rolleyes:

Ol’ Roy Dog Food | Review and Rating Prepared to be disgusted.

And a link within the review has some interesting info about grains in cheap dog foods. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...in-dog-food-1/

Wow! You really have a delima. There are several fed flags with this breeder. If you are financialy & emotionaly attached to this pup then you need to go get him. Puppies that stay in wire floored cages develop serious health issues. If your pup is 3 1/2 mo he needs to get out asap. Is there a friend who can keep the pup until you can move?
Its such a shame that these situations develop. Why did you buy from this breeder?

Good Luck :animal-pa

Still waiting for the answer. Seems like the OP just answers whoever they want to and not everyone.