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05-06-2011, 04:59 AM | #1 |
♥Trained by my pups♥ Donating YT 500 Club Member | Problem with fighting Okay a little back ground My daughter owns a silky and a yorkie both males. They have lived together for 3 years with no issues. The silky was fixed the yorkie not. Well last spring they decided they hate each other. Fighting to the blood and having to go to the vet. So they started seperating them. We had the yorkie fixed thinking this may help gave it a month before we tried to put them back together. No luck. So we tried the scents in the house. No go. Then we used some medicine the vet says works sometimes. Nope (and did not want to do this but at this point we would try anything) Thought about muzzles but many told us that was not a good way to go. So the male (riley ) came to live with me and my three dogs (all females) They had not seen each other since Christmas so about four months. The minute they saw each other right back at growling and wanting to kill each other. They both get along well with other dogs and you would not know they had this in them. It broke my daughters heart to get rid of Riley. So thought maybe someone else has had these issues and worked them out. We have tried having them both on leashes and telling them no and leave it. They just really hate each other. I am thinking it is because they both want to be around the females. Two of the girls are fixed one is not yet. But they grew up with all of these girls. As they all range from one to five. any suggestions would be great. Riley will stay with me but would like them to get a long when i go to visit or they come to see me.
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05-06-2011, 05:19 AM | #2 |
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| You may need to get a professional trainer in on this one. (Another set of impartial eyes to see the whole situation to see what is setting him off). The only way I know to stop a dog from fighting is to watch them closely and analyse their behavior especially what they do at the exact moment before they decide to go at each other. When you can see this signal, a correction needs to happen that stops him in his tracks. Then you need to monitor him and keep correcting him before the action starts and eventually he will stop. Corrections after the battles begin won't prevent the fights. You may need to keep him on leash to prevent wounds and get on top of the situation, and keep him separated when you can't give 100% attention to prevent the situations from occuring. You'll also have to watch the dogs he's fighting with, as they may actually be signaling him, which makes him get into it. In that case, the other dogs will need the corrections, not him.
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05-06-2011, 05:37 AM | #3 |
♥Trained by my pups♥ Donating YT 500 Club Member | Oh we catch it before. What kind of correction verbal is not working. We have tried to get them to think about toys,treats. I tell you I have no idea other then to try the muzzles. We have grabbed them and said no. They both start it. I have tried the leashes. It just is so unbeliveable how they turned on each other. Was hoping time a part may help. But has not.
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05-06-2011, 05:38 AM | #4 |
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| Some male dogs just do not get along with other males. It's not unusual that this happens - but it is unusual that they lived together peacefully for three years. Is there a need for them to spend time together? If not, I wouldn't push the issue. If the male you have now is happily living with other females, then that may be all he is capable of. Do you live close together? If you visit often; I would take one of the females over to your daughters house to play with her male OR I would put your male in another room when your daughter comes to visit ~ if that is feasible. My Westie, Ringo, ONLY gets along with females. He is very territorial when other males come around ~ and that's how we ended up with a female yorkie. Best of luck and maybe a professional trainer can help ~ but, if not, sounds like everyone is doing well except for the visits and you can work around that.
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05-06-2011, 05:42 AM | #5 |
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| My quess is they are fighting because of the unspayed female but now they have a pattern and may always fight
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05-06-2011, 07:45 AM | #6 |
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| The only other thing I could suggest would be when he's on the leash and he starts and you jerk the leash enough to get him off-balance, then stand in front of him and walk towards him, forcing him to back up, and tell him to sit. Keep him in this position until you see him relax. When you verbally correct, it has to be done at the same excitement level (or one notch up) the dog is in, or they won't pay you any mind. When I had problems with my female, I made up my mind that this was going to stop, and when she continued I became louder than her and carried on with my rant for a minute or so, at that volume. She had never heard me get really loud before, and as I continued being loud, she got a bit scared of me, and didn't know what to think., except she knew I was very upset with her. Dialog: I said stop! I don't EVER want to see you do that again. EVER! So help me if I catch you trying that stunt ONE MORE TIME that's it! You'll be looking for a new home quicker than a New York Minute! I've had it with this crap, you WILL behave! That kind of behavior will NOT be tolerated in THIS house, EVER! NOW, GO LAY DOWN! The entire time, keep him backing up or sitting. This reinforces you as the Alpha.
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05-06-2011, 08:17 AM | #7 |
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| So, Riley and your daughter's other male are both good around all other dogs, just not each other? It could have been an issue with them both biding for attention from your daughter and both trying to claim dominance in her house. First, bring them both together on NUETRAL territory, like a park or something. One person holding each dog on a leash, let them take turns smelling ech other hind ends - no face to face. After they've sniffed each other for a minute, take them on a walk together, a good long walk. If either one starts to get agressive to the other while walking, give a quick tug on the leash but keep going. Try to make it somewhere that will be intersting enough for both dogs so they don't pay too much attention to each other, but at the same time they "share" the experience. Make it a controled walk for both dogs, no leash pulling, zigzaging etc., just walk. After the walk, take them both somewhere that they can both explore together, but NOT you or your daughter's house - nuetral territory. I'd do this a few times until they can do it without giving each other even any "dirty looks". Any time they do, correct it immediatly by putting them both in a "sit" or "down" and stand in between them. Wait for them to be totally calm, then try letting them interact again. When you feel like they can both be in your daughter's house at the same time, start ouside, keep it controled, don't let them just rush to each other. Don't let the dog coming in run into the house and also don't let the dog that's already there rush to the door. Something made them decide they had to fight for dominance, getting them both back on the same "level" and you and your daughter as the "alphas" is what needs to happen. As was mentioned, you may want to look into a professional trainer to help you and help "read" their body language and signals to stop and correct the behavior before it escilades. I personaly wouldn't yell at them if they're fighting, that's for the most part, only going to add to their "excitement" level and make it worse. You need to physicaly separate them and get them both calm, nothing verbal except maybe one quick loud noise to get their attention. Good luck
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05-06-2011, 08:30 AM | #8 |
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| The chances of them ever getting along is about zero. Once two dogs decide they have an enemy, they usually take it to the grave...at least I have never seen any change...Oh, they might make nice-nice if I was staring at them, but let me turn my head or leave the room...and the war begun. |
05-07-2011, 05:32 AM | #9 |
♥Trained by my pups♥ Donating YT 500 Club Member | Thanks going to try the new place taking them on a walk next time we are together. Can not hurt. I am afraid they will never get along as we have had two vets say that sometimes you can not change this behavior. But I will keep looking for solutions. And hope one day they will be friends again. Just hoping for some kind of miracle fix.
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