What exactly is a parti yorkie?
 

Hi, I am fairly new to raising yorkies, and I currently have one little yorkie and am currently looking for another, I am having some confusion understanding exactly what a parti yorkie, bewier yorkie is.

Ive been told that this is a cross between a Pomeranian and a yorkie, ive heard that this breweir yorkie is also sometimes called the parti yorkie, And that they cannot be registered AKC,

Ive also been told that Parti yorkie is just a color variatation of the regular yorkshire terrier and is just fine, and recognized by AKC . But I notice on my papers for my Blue and Tan yorkie that there is not even a option box to select 'party' colors.

So can someone tell me if this is an actual yorkie, or a cross breed, or a mutation, or a whole different dog, or a mutt even, and if it is AKC recogonized. Also ive heard these same kind of stories about the solid gold yorkies.

Any clarification or help is greatly appreciated,
Thanks in advance,

( dont want to be buying scam dog )

Parti refers to a tri color yorkie. Many believe Biewers are tri color yorkies that are from a specific German line, originated by a man named, Werner Biewer. Some Biewer owners are trying to get the Biewer recognized as a different breed and therefore do not call them yorkies.

Below are several threads that you may want to read. If this isn't enough info, there are numerous threads on YT discussing this subject.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ti-yorkie.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ou-prefer.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...kes-parti.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ti-beiwer.html

Ya, refer to the threads listed above, this topic can get long and heated lol I have a parti, she's my avitar <----. It just means they have white in their coloring and AKC currently considers it a "fault" in Yorkie standards, so there won't be a spot on your AKC form although they can be registered - the papers will just say "parti" for the color, but as you will see from the threads, there's much debate there.
It's NOT a pomeranian mixed with a yorkie though.

Hi thanks for the quick responses, I had looked into that 1st thread before I posted but it was more like a history lesson. =P

So from what I understand they are a gene issue or whatever, but if my 'standard' colored yorkie and another 'standard' colored yorkie got together, would they throw out a parti, and would it be a regular occurence. Some of these people here will have 5 yorkie pups, and 3 of them are parti colored out of the whole litter. And it will happen on more than one litter, I was just thinking, if its a recessive gene things, wouldnt it only throw out a parti maybe 1 every few generations, but some people half their pups are coming out parti colors. Same with the all gold Yorkies. and its making me leery of the sellers. Im actually not wanting the 'parti' colored Yorkies allthough they are cute. But if I ever decide to breed, I dont want it to start spitting out all parti's either.

The way I understand it, the trait would have to be in the gene pool. Most people that are intentionaly breeding partis are breeding one or both partis, but sometimes they get some traditional colored pups, especially if only one parent was a parti.
Example - my dog, her mother is "technically" considered a parti because she has white on her chest and belly, father was a traditional black/tan. Out of six puppies, 3 were just black/tan, 2 had some white on chest and belly like mom, and my dog is mostly white with black and tan face and black "spots".
If two Yorkies are being bred together and neither of them is a parti and neither were any dogs in their genetic lineage, they aren't going to just throw a parti puppy. It's not a random occurance or a "defect" that can just "show up" in breeding. Also, partis don't have any medical issues simply because they're partis, it's just a color, that's it.
You mentioned considering getting into breeding - WAIT - FIRST, there is MUCH to consider. Look through the "breeders" section here and seek the advice of professionals first.
Sounds like you're looking to purchase a Yorkie? Check the breeders section for that also and the "breeder reviews" section. You are right to be cautious about who you buy a puppy from, but you don't have to worry about getting a parti unless you are actively seeking one (which is fine;)).

Thanks for the tip, Ill check the breeder section for info there. Would this same principle that you described above also apply to the solid gold, or chocolate yorkie?

That I'm not sure of, but based on what I remember about genetics, I'd say yes, same rule applies, but ask the breeders.
Think of it like humans with hair and eye color, same idea.

Unless your dogs carry the recessive pie bald gene it is impossible for them to produce a parti colored puppy.

The reason you see both colors in some litters...is because the standard colored dog carries two genes. 1 dominant (standard coloring) and 1 recessive. When bred to another dog with the same genetic make up...both must offer the recessive gene for the parti coloring to be expressed (seen).

I have seen people advertising "carriers" for sale ...puppies which are the product of two standard colored parents...and quite honestly there is no way to determine if those puppies are carriers. It is entirely possible the puppy inherited two dominant genes from the parents.

So a parti and a party carrier can make parti yorkies and blue and gold yorkies but you wont know if the blue and gold pups will be parti carriers?
The reason for the question is I am supposed to buy a yorkie from a lady that has a parti yorkie male and i know she does not have a parti female . idk if she has a parti carrier but she has a litter with like 3 partis and two blue and gold. Sorry for not understanding first time you explaned :confuse2:

It's now possible to determine if a traditional colored dog is a piebald carrier, there's a lab in Canada that can DNA test for piebald in the Yorkshire terrier!

Canine Coat and Nose Color Test (Code: C128) | Genetic Tests For Canine - HealthGene, Toronto

If a breeder is so concerned about parti showing up in their litter, they can test their dogs to determine if they carry for off colors (chocolate and gold can also be tested for).

The reason for the question is i am supposed to buy a yorkie female from a lady that has a parti male. i know she does not have a parti female, but idk if she has a parti carrier or not. She has like 3 parti in the litter and two blue and gold , but wont know if blue and gold are carriers right? And it works same way with the other colors?

If the sire of the litter is a parti, then all of the puppies have one copy of the parti gene. The mother would have to be a parti carrier in order for the parti colored pups to be in the litter - they received a copy of her recessive parti gene. The other two puppies who are blue and gold, did not receive a parti gene from mom, otherwise they'd be parti colored too.

they are gorgeous lovable tricoloured doggies from the Yorkie family.
Every dog is a wolf and has been cross bred with one thing or another to get to where they are now. Why can't we all just love our babies without prejudice.
Just kidding, I think parti biewer whatever are gorgeous

Thanks for all the info really helped.

Just go to YTCA.org, and look for Yorkie Breeders in your area. Buy the breeder first, and then the pup.

I am so confused now. I was reading the AKC guild lines and it said blue and gold , blue and tan, black and gold,and black and tan. Is what you can reg AKC. I see nothing about Parti or bewier or solid golden. But i know people have these AKC reg. If anyone can tell me where to go on AKC an fine that these can be reg. I can not find this info.If it is true there should be some info some where in AKC. maybe im looking over it pls help me find it. Thanks Trisha

Biewers are not recognized by AKC.

The designation for parti coloring is listed on the application itself. I believe it says...black and tan parti.

You can also email AKC and they can explain the registration process of a parti color Yorkie.

Are you talking about the dog reg application? I still have my males paper . It has a place that says the color and it gives #018 for black and tan #041 for blue and gold #044 for blue and tan #234 black and gold. Then on the right side it has a box that says markings . It says to enter the 3 digit code. Then it says 000 no markings for this breed. Im not saying I dont belive the parti s are real yorkies. I just wish i could find the info that say they are.

Are you trying to register a parti? :confused: If not, why the search for the registration info??

Like I said before, you can email or even call AKC and they can explain it to you. You might even ask them if they knowingly register Yorkies that are not purebred since this seems to be the gist of your question. AKC issues the paperwork to those that register their partis so maybe they can clear up any doubts that you may have.

I wrote the message before i seen yours. thanks for the info No I'm not trying to reg a parti. I just want to make sure what im buying before I do. I want to get what I'm told im getting just like everyone else. I just thought all yall parti lovers would be able to give me info. I will find out trow AKC Thanks Trisha

I am confused, for someone not interested in breeding or obtaining a parti yorkie, why you're so interested in the registration process? I can assure you it's not a question of whether "it is true", as I just received my AKC registration papers for Razz.....color is listed as...." Black and tan, parti-color. Do you need to see a copy to be satisfied?:confused:

What exactly are you trying to get info for....how to register a parti? :confused: Are you buying a tricolor baby?

If you want to make sure of what you are buying and you are having such doubts about your breeder, then maybe you should buy from someone else.

Wow, I started another war.

Actually if you'll read the whole thread, youll see that I have a male yorkie, and I was interested in purchasing a female 'from a lady that ive already talked to'. She is telling me this AKC registered parti color puppy. All im saying is that party color is not even an option on my papers, for Yorkie, The AKC site says this.

at this site:

http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/

I was just wanting help 'only' to make sure that I didnt get scammed by someone, Im not insulting the breed, ::SIGH'S::, I was told i was steppig on a landmine just by asking this question, I just want to make sure the dog is legit before I bought it, I really want her, Ive been waiting for her for a month and a half, I just want to make sure shes recognized by AKC regardless of what i do with her. And ive heard lots of discussion. It seems like everyone says something different, Just considering the above quote from AKC....Im just wanting someone to clear the confusion.

Sorry if I stepped on toes

Trisha

What you posted above is the disqualification in the standard. AKC has nothing to do with that, YTCA does.

Your breeder should have already registered the litter. She can provide you with the paperwork to register the dog in your name.

I will say if I thought I was being "scammed" I'd probably look elsewhere for a puppy.

Btw, you won't get parti colored puppies breeding a standard yorkie with a parti color. You will get all standard colored puppies...

AKC does recognize and registers the parti color yorkie. The YTCA is the parent club and as such, is responsible for the written standard posted on the AKC website. The YTCA considers the parti color a fault and does not allow them to be shown in conformation. If you have concerns about the breeder you've selected, maybe it's best if you do as another suggested and refer to the YTCA breeders referral page.

Trisha -- I am sorry you are getting such treatment when you are trying to verify some things before buying a yorkie! We tell people to research before buying and then when you do this happens! I would think the Parti owners/breeders here would WELCOME a chance to explain their dogs and registration process to someone who has stated several times she is looking to buy a tri-color pup!

Parti yorkies are registered through AKC. I know it does not say it on the registration application. I don't know what bchgrl is talking about because my applications do not list any designation for the parti. But if you contact AKC they WILL tel you how to do it. Many here have partis that are AKC registered.

The disqualification is for showing them. They cannot be shown in an AKC sponsored show or they will be disqualified. But you can register them, even breed them. There is a great deal of debate over whether that is a good idea. I for one, believe that only dogs that meet the standard should be bred. But many others feel differently. So, if you respect the breeder, find her ethical and caring in the way she is breeding her dogs, and you want a tri-color dog, I would definately trust she is telling the truth on the registration part. I am like you -- I want toverify things, especially when I am looking at a registration application and seeing no parti choice. But do not worry -- AKC will tell you how to go about registering your tri-color pup.

BTW Biewers cannot be registered with AKC -- another debate because many saythey are the same dog as the parti. But the Biewer people are saying the dog is not a yorkie and they are trying to get Biewers recognized by AKC as their own breed.

This is this confusing part. Yeah but my female will be coming from a party yorkie, if i buy her, Just wanted to make sure things were legit. What it all comes down to, is if my male hooked up with a parti yorkie and made' party color' yorkies, would they be recognized by AKC...Yes or No..Could I get papers showing parti, even though I dont see the option. If AKC is the only person who can tell me, Ill call them in the morning, I just thought I would get a less hazy answer here.

PS. Once again it seems like people are getting mad at me. 1000$ is alot of money to me. I just thought I could ask a helpful yorkie community that would help me clarify my questions about it.

TY FlDebra for understanding. I was just tryin to make sure everything was OK before I bought. Thank you for understanding that I ws not tryin to offend anyone.

Thank you for your direct answer.

If your male is AKC registered and the parti female is AKC registered....any resulting puppies are eligible for AKC registration.

In order for your male to "make" parti colored puppies....he must carry the piebald gene, if not...all you will get is standard colored puppies. Those puppies would be carriers because they inherited the gene from the female as she had nothing other to offer than recessive. Hold a pup back from that litter and breed with another parti or carrier....and you can "possibly" get parti coloring. If your breeder is suggesting otherwise....she is not being truthful with you.

HTH