What to do....plz dont judge!
 

ok, so I am going to step out on a limb here and ask for your opinions even thuogh I am ready for all the negative slams I may get.....:eek:

If you havent followed my story, quick refresher.....

We bred our dog Bevo with another female for pick of the litter. Only one pup was born and he was a blue born. We are keeping him and are in love with him. Later found out the females owner actually had several other yorkies. (very long story short)

So, today I took Mac (Bevos puppy) to the vet for a check up and Bevo to finally get micro-chipped. The females owner knew I was going and told me she had bred another one of her females and wanted to confirm her pregnancy. She asked me if I would mind taking her along for a sonogram (vet is an hour away)...sure enough there are 3 babies. She has offered to give us a baby since our litter only had little Mac and he was blue. My daughter is the original reason we bred because she wants a female baby so badly.

Sooo....heres my predicament. Her dogs are AKC. However she fits all decriptions of BYB....I have already almost decided to find my daughter a baby girl from a reputable breeder. I planned on doing much research and taking my time as right now we have our sweet Mac to worry about. The puppies are due May 2nd. I wont technically be supporting a BYB because I wont be "buying" the pup, but at the same time, I dont know if its the right thing to do!! The mommy I took today seemed healthy, just very timid, but a sweet girl....

My daughter is pleeing with us to accept the pup(if there is a female) (which WILL be spayed)...but I just dont know.....:(just dont know.:(

That is a pickle. On one side you have your heart telling you to do it since your daughter would love a puppy, but I think you feel as I do and you are supporting a BYB by accepting this puppy. It's like you're telling that breeder what she is doing is A-OK. I know you've admitted fault of your own, and now you have a special needs pup on your hands. What your doing for Mac is noble, since you have accepted him and his... well you know.

I wouldn't do it. Especially since I have a nervous dog myself. After learning from a few YT breeders, personalities and dispositions are inherited. I was told my boy was coming from a lovely home, yet he is the biggest pile of nerves I've ever seen. I'm working with him as best as I can, but he hasn't completely settled into his "new home environment." (I've had him for almost 2 years)

You and your daughter will be better off in the long run with a female from a good breeder.

Good luck with your decision. That's going to be a tough one.

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I agree with what the others said, but just wanted to add that not only will you be supporting the BYB, you'll be telling your daughter that it's okay to take shortcuts when you really want something. Whatever you do will teach your daughter that's the way to handle things...

My first dog also came from a BYB, I got him on a 'special'. And I wish I could go back and do it differently. My 'purebred Yorkie' is 10lbs and extremely hard to handle. He's my dog and I love him (I'd never rehome him), but I regret getting a puppy from that BYB every single day. :aimeeyork

Find a reputable breeder and show your daughter how to do the right thing. So that next time she makes this decision, she'll make the right one :)

You are showing your heart because you are trying to do the right thing. I would say the first thing is to see if you can educate this lady.
She is friendly enough with you to ride to the vets.. so maybe? She will breed but maybe she will upgrade her methods, we can hope!! If that is possible you may save a lot of little yorkies lives and improve their lives.

I can think of reasons to take the puppy if it finishes the contract you had with her. I also can think of many not to take the pup, I for sure would not BUY a puppy from her though.
I also think education of your daughter is so important.. like said "what will she learn from this" and how you can change the heart of the breeder.

I am proud of you.. I think you have learned so much from this and you have changed. I wish you luck !!! Keep us posted!!

Shinja

I dont think you should take the puppy. I see you live in Texas. There are very good breeder's in your area that will provide you with a healthy puppy. I do believe this person is a BYB. By the way, how old is your daughter? Most good Yorkie Breeders will not sell to anyone with a child under 12. Good luck with your decision. Lissette

Oh, for Pete's sakes, take the puppy. You bred your male to her bitch and got a puppy, what is the difference now...
The worst breeder in the world could offer me a free Yorkie and I would take it...if nothing else, you can find it a wonderful forever home...or it may be a great pet for you...

Take the little girl and have her spayed..... consider it a lesson learned and neuter your little boys also.

OMG! I totally agree with you!

Well said.

Take the pup at least you know its going to a good home.

I would take the pup..it seems that the breeder is concerned for the well being of her girl to be paying for a sonogram they are not cheap

I agree 100%. Pat, thank you again for your logical, no nonsense advice.

I was basically gonna say this. You said it much better! :thumbup:

Glad someone with more exp and posts said it first! I totally agree. With the idea of making sure she and your boys are spayed, which you mentioned already in your post.

Like it was said in a previous post at least it would be one less female to be bred to death at her home or another BYB program.

It is a tough decisions- I would probably say NO at this point. Its not the point of supporting a bad breeder, since you aren't paying for it. I have two Yorkies from BYB's. They are from a situation where a very nice girl thought it was okay for her two to have a litter (or two, obviously). I deal every day with the health problems associated with this kind of breeding. You have to consider that this could be an issue in the future, both of mine came home appearing very healthy and the vets thought they were very healthy for months with one, years with the other, until the health problems started to emerge. So this has to be something you are willing to deal with in the future. I was actually offered a free Yorkie a few weeks ago and turned it down because the next time I take one on, I want to know I have found the best and have the best chance of it being healthy. And I have seen first hand how expensive "free" puppies can be. But really its up to you- if you go into it knowing there may be health or behavior problems and you are ready to take on the challenge, go for it.

There's nothing tough about this decision. Take the puppy and get her spayed. Live happily ever after.:D

I would probably take the pup if I was in your shoes. You will be taking a female that might otherwise go to somebody who won't be as responsible as you. You are going in with your eyes wide open so if your pup has any issues you are already prepared for them, right? Not that she won't be healthy and well-adjusted, but you never know. If your daughter is old enough to understand your choice I think you should explain it to her. That in itself would be a good lesson for her.

Wow...so many mixed opinions..just how I feel..."mixed up"!

Answer to couple of your questions:

1st off, My daughter is 15 years old. She is a terrific kid. She does well in school, involved in many extra-curriclular activities, a cheerleader, helps me with a non-profit for needy children I head, respectful, etc. Shes just a good kid. We own a t-shirt business and she works for us. We treat her as any other employee and she works hard for her "spending" money. She has already bought food, a playpen, clothes, toys, etc for her future girl. Of course, she was really hoping Macs litter was going to give her that girl. She is mature and we have discussed finding a good breeder and taking our time. Although, she really wants a baby now, she was more than willing to wait for the right one. Of course, now she really has her hopes up of getting this pup.

2nd...I feel as some of you do. If we take this baby, I know it will be in a good, loving home never to be bred. I am also aware that she may have behavioral issues and possibly medical as well. Honestly, that doesnt scare me. Ive mentioned before that both of my children were never expected to make it and they did. Fortunatley, we are in the financial position to care for her if God forbid she does have problems. But at the same time....little Mac may have serious problems too....Do I want 2??

3rd...the breeder. Her and I were just aquaintances in the beginning, and arent friends per say now, but we have obviously kept in touch because Macs mother is here at my home until he is weaned. I have now been to her home to see where she has her yorkies. Most are crated and she lets them have backyard time in the day. By no means, is it a good operation. You will be happy to hear that I have had numerous conversations with her over breeding, telling her all I have learned here. I really think Ive made a breakthough. She was letting pups go at 6-8 weeks. She now knows the importance of 12. I have talked with her about breeding smaller females and she now knows it is very unsafe and has promised not to do it again. She also has promised to have Macs mother spayed. She is wanting me to help her learn to breed "right", but I still feel it will be back yard breeding. The female yesterday was the 1st dog she has had sonogramed. I told her this was important to know how many in case of delivery problems, and she listened. I feel good knowing that maybe I am making a small difference by sharing the knowledge you all have taught me.

With all that being said...I still have this blanket of guilt towering over me for considering to take this puppy. At least I have quite a while to decide. I dont know why I feel this way. I just want to do the RIGHT thing.

I agree :thumbup:

:thumbup::thumbup: Thank you for your wisdom. Hope this will help her with making a decision. You have to think about Health! Nothing is for free in life. I have transported 3 or 4 dogs for Ladyjane and believe me, they were gorgeous. You cant imagine how much she had to spend taking care and vetting these dogs produced by BYB'S. Thats my point. Nothing is for free. Sweety, good luck with your decision. We are here for you no matter what...Lissette

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I wish you luck in whatever you decide.

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I was going to say something similar!
Good post.:)

I vote for taking the puppy. Yes, there might be more issues with her since she is coming from a BYB, but at least she will be in a home where she can get the love and care she deserves.

You can teach your daughter in this also. Taking this pup that may or may not be perfectly healthy is a way for you to keep her from being this woman's next breeder. You are keeping money out of her hands. She would sell the pup if she didn't give her to you.

I'm not even on the fence with this one. Good luck to you. :)

take all the dogs and bludgeun that byb, kidding tough call, but think of the lifelong health of the dog

It's good she's willing to learn, but she should really be searching out a good experienced mentor to help her do it.

ArmaniMan already mentioned health and behavioral issues, so I won't bring it up again other than to say that you really should be concerned that she hasn't taken steps before this litter to improve her breeding stock. But something I haven't seen here is the mention that there won't necessarily BE a female in the litter. Will you be disappointed if there isn't and would you take another male instead?

One other thing to consider is that having 2 young pups at the same time makes housebreaking all the more difficult. I was told that before I brought Scarlett home, but I thought it wouldn't be that bad. In hindsight, it's made for a whole lot of frustration that I could have done without.

My heart would tell me NOT to take the dog and to continue on with the search for a good, reputable breeder. I wouldn't want to expose my daughter to the possibility of having another pup with health problems in addition to the ones that Mac might end up having.

I'm in the take the puppy court! Yes you might have health issues...but I don't mean to put anyone's noses out of joint...but you might have health issues with a reputable breeder as well (the difference is the odds are better you won't and there will be a health guarantee...but you will have spent $1200 or more). I stand firmly on the side of buying from reputable breeders...but in this case, take the free puppy, and put aside the money you would have spent on a "reputable" dog in a bank account for the health issues you might face with Mac and the new girl. Have her spayed, boys neutered...and maintain a friendship with this breeder. The fact that she is willing to change her practices is a good sign. Maybe when she realizes that breeding done well, does not make money, she'll decide to get out of the breeding business altogether. In the mean time, you have saved the puppy from going somewhere else to be possibly bred, you will give her a good home, and be able to financially care for any issues that arise. Win-Win-Win But for me the real question is: Do you really want to train two puppies at the same time??? Could be a bit crazy, but a lot of fun!! Look out Bevo :D