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Just because this yorkie would be coming from a BYB does not mean she will have health problems. I have less health problems from my one that I got from a back yard breeder than I have with the other two. I'm with Yorkie Rose...take the puppy! |
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And for me, just because I jumped off a cliff once, doesn't mean I have to do it again. So the fact that you bred to her once, doesn't mean you have to support her now, or feel obligated to take a "free" pup. So let me ask you this, what apart from the sonogram has this breeder done differently when she bred? What were her pre breeding tests, and screenings? Does she now know the health of her lines? Why did she select this pair to breed? If you want to go into this with your eyes wide open, then ask many questions. One way you can continue to help this breeder is to encourage her to join a local breed club, preferably toy or a local Yorkshire terrier breed club. Encourage her to join YT and to read and read and read. Encourage her to attend shows. Buy her a book on the Yorkshire Terrier, it's history etc. Work through that blanket of guilt you have. Try to define "why" you feel guilty. Questions of ethics or morals, are often times murky, but with time and self inquiry you may lift that blanket, and see your way to a clear decision that supports your own values/ethics. |
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Thanks so much for all of your insight. You have given me some peace on the matter. I'm thinking if there is a female we should "rescue" her. I know she would find a lifetime of love here! |
Over the years I have had breeders just about "leave" pups on my door step...some they could not sell, others who needed vet care..some perfectly healthy and the breeder just wanted out... I have gone to some pretty low down and dirty places to get unwanted puppies/adults...and I have been critized for "helping" these types of breeders...who cares, it is all about the dog. |
Gemy, thank you for saying everything I was thinking. OP I applaud you for "mentoring" this breeder. I believe that's an admirable thing so that she can learn to do things right. Quote:
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Confused This breeder you are referring to, used your male to sire another litter which produced a "blue baby"? (correct?) What is in the linage of your male and the female who produced the 'Blue Pup'? The concerns you are posting now on a potential pup that may be given to you, are concerns that should have been addressed when you allowed this breeder to use your male to begin with... right? From what I am understanding from this thread, you have more than supported this BYB by allowing her to use your male to produce babies. I'm not judging, I just don't understand why you are asking if it is ok to accept this pup. |
[QUOTE=YorkieRose;3485736]Oh, for Pete's sakes, take the puppy. You bred your male to her bitch and got a puppy, what is the difference now... The worst breeder in the world could offer me a free Yorkie and I would take it...if nothing else, you can find it a wonderful forever home...or it may be a great pet for you...[/QUOte I AGREE, WISH I COULD HAVE SAID THIS:thumbup: |
Let me be clear, I wasn't saying that every pup that comes from a BYB will have health problems- just that it is a much higher chance then compared to a puppy from a good breeder, who does all the health testing, etc. Obviously, I know nothing about the OP's financial resources, but the question doesn't even end there. Having the money to shell out isn't everything- I had it- I can't tell you how many vets/specialists offices I sat in crying my eyes out over diagnosis I was given. I worry more, because the OP says the puppy is for a 15 year girl- no matter how mature she is, I can only imagine how hard it would be on her if something was wrong with "her" puppy. I am not trying to be mean, but just to give another side of the story beyond the cute puppy- because lord knows the puppy IS going to be cute and cuddly. Of course the decision lies with the OP- and if taken the puppy will be the lucky one- because based on the way little Mac is taken care of, she will get the very best in life. If it was solely a question of what was best for the pup- obviously being in the OP's home is it. Again, I am not saying not to get the puppy, I was just trying to provide something else to think about. Whatever decision you make- Good Luck! |
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I spoke with my mentor about your situation today and she said she would take the bitch and keep it or sell it. It's up to you. Good Luck and know we are here for you. :) |
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You taking the dog is not the only way of ending the line of breeding. You could coax her to sell only on spay/neuter contracts. You've also said that you wouldn't take a male, just a female. Well, those males can reproduce, too. Or, conversely, what if they are all female? You won't be able to stop her from letting those ones breed, either. I know some will disagree with me here, but there really is no such thing as "rescuing" from a BYB. Whether you pay for the pup, get the pup in exchange for something or get the pup for free, you are in a way condoning the practices of that person. All that you are doing is freeing up a space for a new pup to fill. |
Well we know your male carries this gene and so does her bitch. Dont know who she bred her bitch to but the pups could be gene carriers. I am so glad you are helping her. I too have made many mistakes. One being I bred Manolo who has MVD to my bitch and gave the pups away to my good friends. So I am speaking with experience. All of the pups and mom and dad have been neutered and spayed. But I still worry that one will become sick and it would be my fault. Just saying...This cycle needs to stop...:) |
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Exactly what I was thinking. I believe one of the hard facts that the OP needs to face, is just that, she is supporting yet again a breeder, with at least questionable breeding practices. I truly don't understand why others say take the pup (if female), and keep or sell her. Kendra, if you have the funds to care for a special needs pup, then you have the funds, and wherewithal to buy from a reputable breeder. So why even consider accepting a pup from this "breeder", who in your heart of hearts you know is a long ways from reputable? Just as I have posted earlier, query you ownself. Here we will give you polar opinions with passion and belief in our own values/ethics that whatever experience or years we have are our true beliefs. I think you need to perhaps write down to yourself your beliefs, your concerns, your ideals, and see what comes from that. |
These are two totally different parents. Confusion sets in again. Everyone has made valid excellent points. Yes, I can afford to buy another pup from a reputable breeder. I really don't think the financial aspect of this scenario is what's at question though. You know, I could take this pup and it could be perfectly healthy or I could pay 1200 plus for another pup and it have multiple problems. It's really not an issue of rather or not I'm going to have a special needs pup, more of morals. I do just need time to think. I don't think the "price" of a pup always matters. From reading threads on YT, I have learned that paying 2300.00 for Bevo was basically robbery. I didn't know any better. I figured you get what you pay for. Obviously, not always the case! He apparently carries the gene for blues! I did speak with the breeder about selling her pups as pet only with no breeding rights. She didn't even know you could do this. She has a long way to grow as a breeder. I am not a breeder, just trying desperately to pass along the knowledge I have learned here! I thought I had made a decision, but now, I'm back to square one. Thank you all again for shooting me with the facts, whether good or bad. I knew when starting this thread, some things may be hard to swallow, and I really appreciate everyone being totally honest with me. |
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Kendra, your a good person. You've raised an amazing daughter. You obviously have experienced a learning curve with yorkies. But girlfriend, no one was greener than this chick when I first became a yorkie mommy. I agree with "yorkie rose"! Your going to end up with a darling little yorkie female one way or the other so go with your gut instinct. You can trust your common sense. Frankly, I'd rather go with the devil I know than the devil I don't know. Kendra, don't be sorry that you bared your soul to YT. We are all going to support you and love you because you have the sweetest yorkie heart EVER! |
Suzi is my only yorkie I have ever had. Now I do know she was from a BYB. She is very healthy and active, sweet as can be and cute. only thing is she does not meet the yorkie standard.... Too big , and has salt and pepper coloring. Not so much gold wher etheir needs to be. However, she makes for a awesome dog. nobody ever thought of her as anything but a yorkie. I would take the puppy. Not to support any BYB practices, but to give the puppy a nice, loving, forever home. Not all BYB have unhealthy, sick pups. I think a lot of that happens if their is inbreeding going on, and the dogs are not cared ofr in the first place, being left outdoors , not ever beeing vaccinated, living in filthy condtions, and so on. So if your financially able to care for anther living creature for as long as she lives then go for it. Just remember that this pup may not fit the AKC standard , and if all your wanting is a sweet little female yorkie as a family dog , then I think it is ok. I hope your blue born maintains his health too. :aimeeyork |
Hi Kendra, I say take the puppy! If you don't take her, the breeder will sell her & make more money. Also, she may be bred by her new owner. Take her, spay her, and let your daughter love her. In your heart you'll know you may have saved her from a life of breeding. Even if you aren't sure you want to keep her you can take her & give her to a reputable rescue who will spay her & find her a great home! No brainer IMHO |
Ask the breeder to spay and neuter those puppies before selling them! You do what you feel in your heart is the right thing in buying or not buying from that breeder. My first two came from a great breeder who shows only Yorkies. Mine have CH. parents, grandparents and on back, but both have LP, one had to have surgery and she also has a collapsed trachea. I bought my third Yorkie from a sweet gal who does not show and the dog is beautiful and perfect with no problems at all. You just never know. I do know I'd never buy one from a pet store that came from a puppy mill. Puppy mill puppies are generally not healthy at all. So do what "you" feel is right for yourself! ;) |
You really do have to do what seems right for you and the dog. You will always second guess unless you do what you think in your heart is the right thing to do in this circumstance. |
I think Im going to wait until they are born...See if first and foremost, there is even a female, then wait to see if she tugs at my heart. Maybe, once I see her, I will just know what to do. I think for the time being, I am going to quit stressing over it. I am however, going to keep talking with this breeder about her methods. Hopefully, if anything at all great happens from Macs birth, it will be educating her. Maybe this was all meant to be.......maybe. |
I say take the puppy , at least if you get her, you know she will be well taken care of..Thats what I would do...and I would get her spayed also. |
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sorry feel ignorant but, get the idea of the dilemma, but what does BYB exactly stand for? |
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