Placing a non-refundable deposite without really knowing pups

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by babbsiam44

My first time ever accepting a deposit is when the owners came to meet him first. But, I would like to ask, if a breeder puts the puppy for sale when they are young and not ready to leave the litter and they go through this change in personality and appearance and then the potential new owners are not satisfied with them what would you do? Give the deposit back or force them to take the puppy? Give a portion of the deposit back because there will be additional cost to keep them or what? I am just wondering and curious if there is a stipulation in anyone's deposit contracts on here covering this.

Not sure what you mean by putting the pup for sale. I don't advertise and people that want my dogs are either repeat buyers, or have been referred to me by another breeder/exhibitor......but, either way they've been on my waiting list for a long time.

Maybe my situation works a bit different since I never conduct a breeding unless I'm looking for my next show dog. And I have homes waiting way in advance. These new homes know that my pup are not going to ever leave my home prior to 16 weeks of age at the earliest....they also know that I'm assessing the litter for me first. They aren't allowed to the home until I've made my pick.

My contract reads deposit of such and such is not refundable should the new owners back out, it is fully understood by them when they enter into the agreement These are breathing living creatures.....not a couch.

Now should something happen with the pup from the time they pick the pup out and the time it is due to go home, the deposit is refunded.

But, to answer your question....I guess I can't, because I've never had someone change their mind. But, when people make a deposit of 50%, believe me they've thought long and hard about their choice.

[backwardsrain]

I would consider my Yorkie (6 months) to be laid back, easygoing, and independent. He is very tolerant when I carry him, poke and prod him with grooming implements, doesn't fuss when left alone for up to 4 hours at a time, etc. But I worked with him from the time I got him to get him used to those things, and at first he bit and didn't like it. After a while he just accepted it. On the other hand, he is not much of a lap dog.

My dad has a Yorkie that is amazingly athletic and has severe separation anxiety, but also follows him around like an Australian Shepherd or another "velcro" type of dog.

My aunt has one that was given to her as a gift, it is extremely dominant and hyper and misbehaves constantly.

I tried to pick mine based on observing the litter and looking for one in the middle of the pack in terms of dominance. But honestly, it's hard for me to tell individual Yorkie puppies apart if they are from the same litter. If I ever get another I will try to get a slightly older one, from a breeder that can describe the personality to me.

[hnybun128]

Originally Posted by RONLYNN

I don't know if any yorkie breeders do this because yorkie tend to not have a little that looks all alike but when I bought my Standard Poodle years ago the breeder didn't let anyone pick out their dog. She said she watches them grow up and knows their personality. She said she knows which one would be a good watch dog because they run to the door first and bark. She said she knows which one is the first to jump on the other dogs and start wrestling. She said she knows which one lets all the other dogs eat and then eats last. I told her I wanted a non-dominate female and she said Cassie would let the other puppies eat first and then eat and she was the exact personality I was asking for. BUT that said her dog all pretty much looked exactly the same and so did the mom and the dad. They were the exact same color, etc. so you wouldn't see one and say you wanted one over the other. She said she found when she let people come over and pick them out they would say "oh that one came over to me first" or "that one looked at me" and she said that's not a way to pick a dog.

I thought it was a brillant way to put the right dog with the right family.

My sister's golden retriever's breeder did this, as well. She took the time to get to know the families and she chose which puppy went home w/ which family. All I can say is that her choice worked out very well for my sister.

[babbsiam44]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not sure what you mean by putting the pup for sale. I don't advertise and people that want my dogs are either repeat buyers, or have been referred to me by another breeder/exhibitor......but, either way they've been on my waiting list for a long time.

Maybe my situation works a bit different since I never conduct a breeding unless I'm looking for my next show dog. And I have homes waiting way in advance. These new homes know that my pup are not going to ever leave my home prior to 16 weeks of age at the earliest....they also know that I'm assessing the litter for me first. They aren't allowed to the home until I've made my pick.

My contract reads deposit of such and such is not refundable should the new owners back out, it is fully understood by them when they enter into the agreement These are breathing living creatures.....not a couch.

Now should something happen with the pup from the time they pick the pup out and the time it is due to go home, the deposit is refunded.

But, to answer your question....I guess I can't, because I've never had someone change their mind. But, when people make a deposit of 50%, believe me they've thought long and hard about their choice.

Yes, I am saying I put one puppy up for sale. I don't know how someone like me would breed a dog and all of a sudden have a line of people wanting my pups because I have never bred before. I am not that experienced and do not have plans to be so. Does not everyone start somewhere? I wanted another from my little momma and the sire I chose.

I do not question that if something happened to the puppy that the deposit be returned.. but if it is not a "couch" then why would you keep their money or force them to take the pup? The owners decided or have a circumstance that needs to be dealt with and as a reputable breeder it should be taken into consideration. All I wanted to know was do you keep the deposit and the puppy or return 1/2 of the deposit and try to find a home for it. Not everyone up here has a line of people waiting. I only asked because I am sure it can happen. Please...no direspect intended!

[Perrella]

We went to visit Zhoie at 8 weeks, she was much more reserved than 2 of the other pups. There were 2 girls & 2 boys in the litter. The born was a girl, 2nd was boy, 3rd was Zhoie and 4th the last boy.

On our first visit to see Zhoie she was 8 wks, the 1st girl was very active, last boy was the same. Zhoie and the 2nd boy played together but both were more low key. The 1st girl was dominant to them all. Actually, to the point mama would come over and push her away and at times, lay her down and lay her leg across her chest. She was a spitfire for sure.

Zhoie came home very well mannered, mellow and laid back. She is still that way and she was 2 yr in Jan. At times, I have worried something must be wrong, but I've been told it's just her.

As laid back as she is....when other dogs are around, she instantly takes charge and dominates. The transormation just blows me away, she is not like that at home at all, I don't get why she has to be the leader and so mellow at home.

Good luck in finding what will fit with you and your family.

[Verodoll]

Originally Posted by Perrella

We went to visit Zhoie at 8 weeks, she was much more reserved than 2 of the other pups. There were 2 girls & 2 boys in the litter. The born was a girl, 2nd was boy, 3rd was Zhoie and 4th the last boy.

On our first visit to see Zhoie she was 8 wks, the 1st girl was very active, last boy was the same. Zhoie and the 2nd boy played together but both were more low key. The 1st girl was dominant to them all. Actually, to the point mama would come over and push her away and at times, lay her down and lay her leg across her chest. She was a spitfire for sure.

Zhoie came home very well mannered, mellow and laid back. She is still that way and she was 2 yr in Jan. At times, I have worried something must be wrong, but I've been told it's just her.

As laid back as she is....when other dogs are around, she instantly takes charge and dominates. The transormation just blows me away, she is not like that at home at all, I don't get why she has to be the leader and so mellow at home.

Good luck in finding what will fit with you and your family.

My prayers are for a Zhoie!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by babbsiam44

Yes, I am saying I put one puppy up for sale. I don't know how someone like me would breed a dog and all of a sudden have a line of people wanting my pups because I have never bred before. I am not that experienced and do not have plans to be so. Does not everyone start somewhere? I wanted another from my little momma and the sire I chose.

I do not question that if something happened to the puppy that the deposit be returned.. but if it is not a "couch" then why would you keep their money or force them to take the pup? The owners decided or have a circumstance that needs to be dealt with and as a reputable breeder it should be taken into consideration. All I wanted to know was do you keep the deposit and the puppy or return 1/2 of the deposit and try to find a home for it. Not everyone up here has a line of people waiting. I only asked because I am sure it can happen. Please...no direspect intended!

Didn't take it as disrespect.......And yes, we all have to start somewhere.

When I started I asked the same questions of my mentor. But, then I didn't start out breeding, that didn't come until later. But, her answer was to me and I think I've said this before...."doing it the way I'm teaching you, it'll all fall into place".

I can only answer the question based on my experiences, how I was taught As I said I never take a deposit until a pup has been temperament testeed and has been picked. The contract has been in the new families hands prior to this (my contracts are with the pup's welfare and best interest in the forefront and not about me). They've had plenty of time to read it.

Ah! The owner had personal responsibilties that's another case you refund the money, you don't want a hardship for your pup or the new familhy....and you take each situation case by case.

No, the pup would not go with someone that didn't want it, geez that's asking for your pup to be put in rescue......but, if it was just a matter of changing their minds....that is another issue....My contract reads non-refundable deposit. You have to take into consideration the time it takes to reinterview to find another suitable home for the pup. So, that non-refundable deposit is put into place to protect the pup as well as yourself. You can only bend over backwards so far to be fair......

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If I wanted a certain personality, I would look to adopt an adult rescue from a group that keeps their pups long enough to evaluate them.

I don't see how anyone can guarantee the personality of a puppy. I could be wrong on that, but each puppy I have had has turned out to be quite different as adults. There again, I have only dealt with a few puppies.

I agree...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Perrella

We went to visit Zhoie at 8 weeks, she was much more reserved than 2 of the other pups. There were 2 girls & 2 boys in the litter. The born was a girl, 2nd was boy, 3rd was Zhoie and 4th the last boy.

On our first visit to see Zhoie she was 8 wks, the 1st girl was very active, last boy was the same. Zhoie and the 2nd boy played together but both were more low key. The 1st girl was dominant to them all. Actually, to the point mama would come over and push her away and at times, lay her down and lay her leg across her chest. She was a spitfire for sure.

Zhoie came home very well mannered, mellow and laid back. She is still that way and she was 2 yr in Jan. At times, I have worried something must be wrong, but I've been told it's just her.

As laid back as she is....when other dogs are around, she instantly takes charge and dominates. The transormation just blows me away, she is not like that at home at all, I don't get why she has to be the leader and so mellow at home.

Good luck in finding what will fit with you and your family.

Your Zhoie is fine....just a bit more layback. Her sister was the Alpha and Zhoie wasn't....Zhoie is comfortable at home, she knows she rules, it's her domain.....when she's around other dogs she has decided she has to show the other dogs who is boss.......

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

My contract reads non-refundable deposit. You have to take into consideration the time it takes to reinterview to find another suitable home for the pup. So, that non-refundable deposit is put into place to protect the pup as well as yourself. You can only bend over backwards so far to be fair......

Isn't it just a matter of moving onto the next person on the waiting list? Aren't the potential buyers prescreened before they go on the list so as not to waste their time waiting for something that may never happen?

[babbsiam44]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Didn't take it as disrespect.......And yes, we all have to start somewhere.

When I started I asked the same questions of my mentor. But, then I didn't start out breeding, that didn't come until later. But, her answer was to me and I think I've said this before...."doing it the way I'm teaching you, it'll all fall into place".

I can only answer the question based on my experiences, how I was taught As I said I never take a deposit until a pup has been temperament testeed and has been picked. The contract has been in the new families hands prior to this (my contracts are with the pup's welfare and best interest in the forefront and not about me). They've had plenty of time to read it.

Ah! The owner had personal responsibilties that's another case you refund the money, you don't want a hardship for your pup or the new familhy....and you take each situation case by case.

No, the pup would not go with someone that didn't want it, geez that's asking for your pup to be put in rescue......but, if it was just a matter of changing their minds....that is another issue....My contract reads non-refundable deposit. You have to take into consideration the time it takes to reinterview to find another suitable home for the pup. So, that non-refundable deposit is put into place to protect the pup as well as yourself. You can only bend over backwards so far to be fair......

Yea, the issue of them changing their mind is a concern. I changed my mind(no it was my DH) about letting the male go, He fell in love with him but a deposit contract was already signed. So I had no choice but to let him go to another home...BTW I keep up with them through emails, picture text and invites to their house. It was heartbreaking. To be honest I want to breed my Elsa 1 more time. I want another from her and I am not looking for a profit but another baby.

This brings me to another question iF you use a sire and they have pick of the litter, how far do you go? Paying for the dock of the tails. all shots till they leave, worming. Should the sire owner pay for anything?

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Your Zhoie is fine....just a bit more layback. Her sister was the Alpha and Zhoie wasn't....Zhoie is comfortable at home, she knows she rules, it's her domain.....when she's around other dogs she has decided she has to show the other dogs who is boss.......

Thank you Mary, that does ease my mind coming from you.

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by Verodoll

My prayers are for a Zhoie!!

Thank you the compliment.

I have to admit, I was worried about getting my 1st yorkie, but the timing was right as my 2 older dogs were fading (mini-pin & chi, both 14.5) and I couldn't not be without a dog in the house. I spent a few months and bought every yorkie book available for weeks, since my office is in my home, I knew I had better be up on training her. I think the greatest thing I learned from reading was....never encourage barking and I have not. Never, ever do I say something like, asking her to speak for her food or who is at the door, etc.....and it has worked for me. Which is a real blessing as I'm on the phone 75 percent of my day.

Heck, who am I kidding everything came from those books and the knowledgeable people her on YT! So glad I found this site!

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by Verodoll

My prayers are for a Zhoie!!

Aw...thanks

[Verodoll]

Originally Posted by Perrella

Thank you the compliment.

I have to admit, I was worried about getting my 1st yorkie, but the timing was right as my 2 older dogs were fading (mini-pin & chi, both 14.5) and I couldn't not be without a dog in the house. I spent a few months and bought every yorkie book available for weeks, since my office is in my home, I knew I had better be up on training her. I think the greatest thing I learned from reading was....never encourage barking and I have not. Never, ever do I say something like, asking her to speak for her food or who is at the door, etc.....and it has worked for me. Which is a real blessing as I'm on the phone 75 percent of my day.

Heck, who am I kidding everything came from those books and the knowledgeable people her on YT! So glad I found this site!

I mean it! I am really, really hoping.

Thank you for that. I want to instill this in my new baby and in Layla. She barks a lot and that's a gigantic problem because my boyfriends mother works from home as you do...and there is a big conflict in this aspect. We can't ever leave her home if she is working and that makes it impossible for us to freely do things. I don't think a dog should be able to hold you back from going to a place because of behavioral issues. So we want to work on correcting her behavior as well as instill it in our newest addition.