And you well-know that posting people's personal information on a forum without their permission is rude and border-line illegal. Its irresponsible of the breeder to post this, especially when we did nothing wrong!

Not irresponsible or illegal at all.....what is the fear of your name being posted?

Its private information that I should decide whether to post or not. When you give out your information to someone you trust them with it and you definitely trust that they will not go posting it on the Internet. Everyone sane knows this.

Really?? I doubt it. Sounds like you are being libelous.

Why don't you explain WHY you wanted to sell her or return her as you say you did? (Not that it would make the contract any less binding..)

However, you posted that you had a Durrer dog for sale..... you did the same thing.....A Durrer dog is synomous with Betty Anne....so, in essence you posted her name. You were attempting to captilize on the Durrer prefix.

From the "no big loss" statement, it doesn't sound that you care that much about your little Yorkie puppy. I think you probably know in your heart what the right thing to do is and you will feel much better when you do it. And I do not think for one moment one needs to worry about a highly reputable Yorkie breeder not abiding by the terms of a contract.

Well, that really says it all doesn't it? If you are so indifferent then why wouldn't you just return her under the breeder's guidelines? What difference does it make when she was willing to refund the money? Why are you trying to sell her here? It really just make it seem like the only thing you care about is the money, not the welfare of this puppy.

addressing your remarks
 

Being honest, telling the breeder you had a german shephard at home,
would have cancelled any chance at all of obtaining a 3.6 pound
yorkie . The fact that you have them separated is totally
hard to fathom....and testament to the fact that there is reason
for concern having to keep them apart. That alone is obvious. There
is nothing I could ever imagine you could say , with regard to
embarrassment to betty ann or vicki...... they are far more
respected and recognized,than you obviously are even aware.

The reason you feel attacked here on this forum, is due to the fact
that you are overtly inexperienced, and not familiar with the law here in
our country, and in CKC.

With some legal background, your name was used ,only in reference
to the matter,involving a contract with which you were in direct breach , and in desperation to recover this puppy..there was no
deformation of character, with only the facts being stated.

In response to your comment about being attacked and "over reaction"
again this shows your lack of knowledge as to what these
reputable breeders go through raising this breed.

There usually a 5,000.00 breach of contract clause, however I feel that
vicki and betty anne are simply concerned with getting the pup back.

I hope this all is resolved very soon.....
as far as pointing a finger at those you view as over reacting,
your comment about "NO big loss" , is now being viewed by
many who see your remark as a tremendous loss of character
and credibility.

Hi Ana

Thank You for responding , As a breeder our concerns are always for the welfare of the yorkies.
Thanks for letting us pick her up this evenning.

Regards Vicki

How bad a behavior issue can a 6 month old yorkie have? A responsible yorkie owner knows what to expect during the "terrible two's" and knows to seek help if they can't correct the behavior themselves. They are also keenly aware that behavior problems are often the results of the mistakes that they've made versus it being the dog.

I've also never seen a good breeder contract that gives the full purchase price of the dog back before a new (approved) home is found for the dog. I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect it.

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How dare you say a puppy is "NO BIG LOSS HERE" because of some alledged behavioral issues. You are a mean-spirited person...you should not be allowed to have any dog!!!!!! :mad: You are toxic!!!!!

Yes, this is what was in Joey's contract, and I was not able to sell or rehome the dog without his breeders permission. She can come and take him back at any time. At first this bothered me, but then I realized I love that idea, she really cares about the dogs she produces.

We must remember that a breeder usually can't get as much for a 6 month old puppy as she can a 12 week old puppy.

I may be mistaken, but I think the gal that has her now has only had her 3 weeks, so this should be a moot point. Plus, is that true? Especially for a well-bred DURRER puppy?

I have been in contact with both BettyAnne and Vicki, rest assured the "big" behavioural problem that the owner told both Betty and Vicki, was that this pup, who she had for three weeks was eating poop.

Too bad, tun tun, there are numerous threads on here, that could have given you tons of different solutions for this very common problem. And btw not only in toy breeds, all breeds of dogs, can get enamoured at one time or another with their or others poop.

Youve gotta be kidding me!?! Poop eating a big behavioral problem gimme a break.

Very true about some dogs tending to be interested in poop eating. My son's American Bulldog had a very short bout with that but son trained him out of it as well as he grew and just lost interest. There are many ways to handle that problem other than selling your baby, if that is the issue.

Also I posted an update on the for sale and wanted thread. Vicki has been in contact with tuntun, and Vicki will be picking up the puppy this evening. Once this transaction is safely completed, I will update the list.

I thank everyone for their concern and help. To tuntun you are doing the responsible thing, in returning this puppy to her breeder(s) who care very deeply for her.

Oh, great news!!! Thank you for the update.

[QUOTE=tuntun;3467528]Its private information that I should decide whether to post or not. When you give out your information to someone you trust them with it and you definitely trust that they will not go posting it on the Internet. Everyone sane knows this.[/QUOTE] I find it ironic that you would be making a statement in regards to breech of trust. All of the responsible breeders, the show breeders and especially one with Durrer lines would have a contract for the return of their puppies if there are issues. When they gave you the Puppy they trusted you with it and for you to honor that contract, what about your actions and breech of trust. If giving back the puppy was no big loss why did you not return it in the first place. I also find it ironic that you would consider that you are providing a better environment than the Yorkie breeder since you can not handle the issues of this Yorkie and must separate it. Perhaps you should have considered the size difference the two dogs before deciding on a Yorkie. I see nowhere that the breeder Vickilynn or Betty Anne Durrer posted your name. Yes a YT member Abbie506 posted your full name after objecting to what she felt was an breech on contract and that has been removed by the moderators. So all that is left to do is for you to return Roxy and get your refund to have this matter resolved. I see the matter is being resolved and I thank you for returning the dog to the breeder. Perhaps German Shepards are best for you, they are also a lovely dog.

Oh I thought the dog had been with her longer, I actually don't know for a fact if this would be true for a Durrer puppy, I just wanted buyers to be aware of this. Many breeders are more interested in finding it a good home than getting the absolute top dollar. One rehome is enough for any dog.

One re-home is one too many for any puppy! So sad, especially since it appears the gal didn't know how to handle the puppy eating its poop. Such a typical problem and so easily resolved.

:eek: When I read this, I chuckled. SERIOUSLY?? Poop eating?!?! :lol tears:lol tears

Geez, big loss to that lady because once yorkies are trained, their love and loyalty is priceless. You get what you put into it. She obviously didn't want to train the dog.


AGREED :thumbup::thumbup: The dog always suffer for the irresponsibility of dumb people :(

I did try to return her first. And for the record, once again, there is no breach of contract -- there is nothing in there regarding returning the puppy except within the first 3 days.

And we are doing everything responsibly and have been in contact with the breeder the whole time. This is nonsense. The dog was never in any danger either.

If you read the thread: We were originally offered the money back then the breeder changed their mind last minute and said they have to find a buyer first. So we tried to help them find a buyer. THAT IS ALL. Relax. No crime has been committed and the dog is SAFE and being taken back by the breeder TONIGHT. Take it easy please... you guys are making a big deal out of absolutely nothing. We are sure its a great dog and it can make a great pet for someone else and I have no hard feelings towards the breeders, they SHOULD care this much about their dogs. BUT... the problem is with the false accusations and name calling going on here by people that don't know even half the story. Its quite ridiculous. I'm glad some people are more mature here... but some... should get a life..

Apologies to anyone that is being constructive through all of this. Roxy will of course be fine... this thread is getting old.

Just want to say, I think you are doing the right thing by returning the dog. Sometimes these things don't work out for whatever reason, and I'm glad you are thinking of the dog's best interests.

I agree with Nancy, you are doing the right thing for this puppy by returning her. I'm sure you will see lot's of opinions but try to stay focused on keeping this between you and the breeder. Good Luck to you, no judgements here. Yorkies are not for everyone and I am so glad you have resolved this. Lissette

I'm not reading this entire post it's upsetting me from page 2 too much...but that's the kind of thing you'd ant to see a reputable breeder have in a contract...it seems to me a last resort insurance policy that they "buyer" (I refer to think adopter) means what they say to the breeder...

TUNtun and everyone else: As far as using someone's real full name in a public forum...there's nothing illegal about it...show me what law you think you are talking about...I hope the buyers legal full names gets spread everywhere over this and they never a get another pup from anyone again...re-homing after three weeks...there are reasons people need to return a pup-whatever-stuff happens-but this all seems well ridiculous too me.

Furthermore: As long as everyone speaks the truth there's not slander and there is also laws regarding and protecting the freedom of information...however it is advised nothing be done that could cause harm to someone, like giving out their address or phone number, place of work etc. Their full legal name is not protected but I imagine YT will do a lil CYA just in case and keep it fro being posted.

I'm sorry I'm also throwing my opinion out there some more...I hope the breeder better screens buyers despite her financial insurance policy in her contract and spends time expressing Yorkie specific issue (I've no idea the breed just reading it all here).

BTW poop eating is only a psychological 'disorder' in older dogs...quite common actually...pups do it quite often...it's call training. Should they buyer ever get another pup I'd hope they'd try that...training.