And this means what? You've been a breeder for what, maybe 2 minutes....

The misinformation you are posting could very well lead to someone losing their pup to distemper/parvo....or a rabis vaccine. If you are willing to take on that responsibility for your own pups, so be it.

But keep in mind there are vets out there that have not updated their vaccination protocal since they've left vet school, aren't involved extensively with keeping up to date with what is being studied and out there being researched. Six weeks for initial vaccination is not what is recommended by Vet Colleges, or the Board of Vets.

I hope your vet is up on the LS BAT Protocol? It has changed.....and if done incorrectly can lead to false positives or false negatives...both serious business and life threatening to a Yorkie. I also hope that your vet knows how to perform surgery on a yorkie with LP or Leggs Perthes or HP. All three can show up in a yorkie at any given time.

Giving shots at 6-7 weeks was a big one for me too! You are making such a good point! Dawn 27 admits she is "a bit lacking in the knowledge department" and also says that she is "a good breeder because I thrive to learn" -- which would be good if she remained in the sponge mode, soaking up information instead of arguing with more experienced, better-educated breeders about practices which are outlined well on the YTCA.ORG site. It does not take much research to find where the YTCA recommends no yorkie pups be taken from the dam until after 12 weeks. If a person is truly interested in coming here to improve their knowlege base and knows it is seriously lacking, then WHY would they give out advice?

When I give advice, I do so with a valid reference in mind. I know I have only experienced two litters of Yorkie pups and do not want to give out information that might have worked for these 2 experiences but are not the normal recommended protocols. So, I read, and read some more, always knowing I am giving out the best information I can. If I am giving an opinion, I try to be careful to say so. I don't mean to say this breeder cannot give out her experiences, but when it comes to matters of breeding practices -- she should make sure "her opinion" is also what is recommended by the Breed Parent Club and/or better educated breeders. If not, then she should preface the post with -- "my opinion (and I am still learning) is ....." or something like that so newbies doing research do not take it as factual, recommended information. I like even my doctors to say "I don't know but I'll find out" rather than just spout information off the top of their head which may or may not be right. None of us know it all -- but together we can get pretty close IF we stick to valid information that can be backed up by reference.

I'm not sure but, checking on Dawn's Profile she's a young mother whose occupation is an in-home child care providor.....Breeding done correctly takes up a lot of time, no outside interferance, especially young children......Young children require 100% of one's attention, so do you dam's that are whelping and raising newborn pups.

I'm really confused by your response. Not the gibberish above, but the red verbiage within my post. You included the link to the website, but also state your vet does not vaccinate on the same schedule. Previously, you posted that the vaccination schedule backs up the info you posted. So I don't understand your point. Does your vet vaccinate your pups at 6-7 weeks as the schedule indicates?

As you stated in one of your posts this is an open forum where opinions can be expressed, discussed, debated etc. I would like to hear your point of view but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'm going to defend dawn here for a second. I think what happened is that she quoted a previous poster and put her comments inside the quote (in red). The system here will not let you submit just a quote. It requires you to put something else in outside of the quotes to get it to post.

WOW did this thread get lost in translation:eek:

OP, your pup is adorable, can't wait to see more pic's:) You might have to start a new thread with them:p

Please post your vet's contact information if they do give shots at 6-7 weeks they won't mind stating such...

No I am not a vet, but you assumed that because you don't know me...or you just assume?
Do you know about my med school background as well-which fields I studied in-all of my work experience, schooling?

I wasn't raggin' on your vet...but I can :rolleyes: Especially if what they are doing is based on "older schooling" which is no longer taught or recommended based on more recent research and information

What's "un-cool" to me is spreading misinformation as truth...
YOUR LINK: does NOT coincide with what you are saying (at all) either: it says "could" and 25% (at most)-if you further verify the sources of your link they are averaging based on a small study of larger breed pups...ye a lot to learn for some people.
Here's the exert from your link you posted in support of your statement:
"At six weeks of age, 25% of the puppies could be immunized. At 9 weeks of age, 40% of the puppies... "

Again I don't want to seem picking on you, I wasn't please take some time to start reading and researching very thoroughly. Especially if you are breeding you need to be set up to educate others correctly (and yourself) while being set up for success...

I'd love to someday be a breeder/show: when I win the lottery, my kids are off or out of college, I have the time and energy to devote to such a task, and after about 20 years of research, including a lot of reading from reliable sources, and hands on learning from top qualified breeders with the breed I'd love to breed...so I'm learning now not doing and learning as I go...

That's what I figured, too.

I actually don't think that is necessary. I'm not even clear on what protocol her vet actually follows after the contradictory posts.

Hey Kim -

Just wanted you to know you are in my thoughts as this was the week Riley was initially supposed to come home with you. Hope he is doing well. Keep us posted on his progress!:)

he's scrumptious

Update then :)
 

Thanks for all the kind comments and interest, of course the continued support that you all have posted here.

I talk to her at length yesterday on the phone, he is doing very well. From what she says he is eating kibble like a champ and his momma is no longer nursing them. He and his siblings are busy playing up a storm. So at this point just waiting to see what happens. He will be rechecked by the vet to make sure he is still progressing well at the end of the week.

I am just hanging back and waiting UGH lol

Love your signature line . . .:)

hehe ty :)

I am going to leave you all to your discussion, leave me and my vets practices out of it. Thank you very much. The battery on me, my integrity, my opinions and my comments is growing old.

I'm leaving this thread with some good input in information form some and have put up with a lot of crap from so many others. I look forward to hearing form all of you again, With so many wonderful things to say, I'm sure...

Good Night!! :(

First of all, I think we need to clear up that "battery" involves contact, which obviously cannot occur here.
I hope you have taken in the information regarding breeding and your vet.
I know my vet has commented on other vets over vaccinating, and it's usually a matter of money.
It's never too late to learn, change and improve.

I really hope so too, think I ticked her off too much to get a positive reaction, action unfortunately...
Have you seen her web site...promotes over vaccinating and has a lot of contradictory information on it...from what's said on YT to there...apparently she does a lot of vaccinating and no health genetic testing...sending pups out at 8 weeks too...health contract covers death (only) due to genetic defect only...... half the stuff under grooming, care, etc is copy/pasted from other sites...
Dawn's Yorkies / Yorkie Puppies / For Sale, Ohio

I'm sorry you feel this way. By your own admission, you are an inexperienced breeder who has a lot to learn. It is unfortunate that instead of taking any of the criticism, much of which is constructive, under advisement, you seem interested only in defending your current practices, which are questionable at best and dangerous at worst.

At the end of the day this is not about you, your vet, or the posters on this forum. We all want what is in the best interest of the dogs. I hope you understand that and change some of your ways, grow as a breeder in your knowledge and practices, and do what is right when it comes to your breeding stock as well as their offspring.

a lot of the post on here are not constructive criticism ...its our way or you get bombarded

im sure there are new trends in vaccinations and what not...but some people believe in doing what's worked in the past and would rather be safe then sorry...as i have stated before the idea on waiting to vaccinate is reckless in my opinion and yes i have read the comments that its the new study, its whats being practiced now..yada yada yada....sorry no vets i ve spoken to are follow this procedure (does that make them unqualified as vets? i think not)...which after the first time i read a thread on waiting to vaccinate i checked out and did my research..yes ive seen the wesbsite about dr dodd.

i, personally still believe in "old school" MANY MANY..people, breeders, vets, shelter workers still follow the old school procedures with great success


im not looking to debate...ive done that before and you cant get anywhere with it on yt but just putting in my 2 cents

The issue of when to vaccinate is just one reason this breeder's practices were questioned. If you read the thread and review her website and posts in other threads you will see that there are many other issues that were questioned for very good reasons. I've seen threads that become very aggressive against a specific poster and it can get ugly. But in this case, she asked for advice on a couple very elementary breeding issues and then got mad when her breeding practices were called into question. If you are a breeder posting on this forum your "opinions" can be construed as "advice." Two very different thing, IMO. And when that advice goes against what is set out by the YTCA and the AKC I think it is fair to question.

It's not about "our way or get bombard" at least not for or from me.

It's about education and correct information being posted here...people come here to learn and get help...not to have misinformation handed off by less than legitimate sources as the truth...that's dangerous. It's about safety for the dogs we not only love but are responsible for.

Name them (vets, breeders, shelters etc)...I'll name some too that show and provide information on medical advances and why the invitation is critical and the 'old school' methods mentioned are/is not only incorrect but dangerous.
Then again it's all been shown here by multiple credible sources so it's a mute point providing it again and listening comments of opinion and misinformation that just won't stop.

This thread was in the OP getting the correct information they needed and correcting the misinformation which has been done already...end of.:thumbup:

Whoo whee!!

To the OP I cannot wait until you post pic's of your little one.

I can only hope that newbies looking for a pup to add to their family will learn from this thread. Learning that this one person is not one to buy a pup from if they're looking for a healthy, happy, well adjusted pup as close to standard pup.

Let me add when it goes against Veterinary Colleges and the Board of Veterinarians.....I would question my practice. As far as old school. Many reputable breeders that have been breeding for over 20+ have been practicing this vaccination protocol for years.

The waiting is always the hardest part....love your signature line also!!

Thank you :) and it makes it easier when I can get my yorkie fix on YT :D

Would you please post a picture of your hedgehog? I think they are so adorable.

To the original OP, EsmeeKimme

Welcome to YT!

After sifting thru a lot of this thread, you have gotten some very good advice. I am sorry that you felt that you couldn't or shouldn't post, please do not shy away from posting, responding and certainly asking questions. I've learned sooo much on here and have met many wonderful people and made friends with many more who I have only talked thru the internet with.

You sound like a wondeful person who just wants the best for her new addition, who by the way, is just adorable! I am glad that you found us and will continue to on here.

I wish you well with Riley's homecoming and look forward to seeing pictures of the happy occasion.

It's so exciting bring puppy home. :)

Thank you so much :) I have learned a lot on this site and love looking at all the pictures/smileboxes and videos :D

Sure lol this is Q