Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3468700)

I believe that it is very possible for a Yorkie puppy to leave its mother at the age of 8 weeks old. If .... They have received all of the appropriate care and vaccinations required and has received a clean Health Check from the veterinarian.

There are however the exceptions. For those puppies who are very tiny. They of course need more time nursing with mamma and additional time to reach a appropriate weight before being released to the new family. I don't believe that any veterinarian would allow a breeder to release a pup who does not meet the criteria of what a Healthy puppy should be. Nor should a responsible breeder.

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3468987)

OK sure...

So, let me get this straight...Are you trying to say that just because I am a breeder who places her puppies at 8 weeks makes my advise and opinion less worthy or creditable than a breeder who does not?

Are you a breeder?

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3467981)

I am appreciative of all the posts and such I have gotten here. Only a couple hurt my feelings some but I know they came from a good place. Because of the advice here, he is staying longer than I had originally arranged for, she knows I want copies of all testing that has been done on him and his parents, vet release for him and proof of his first shots and such when I go to get him, of course she knows now he has to weigh at least 2 pounds that day and I know a lot of great advice to have on hand in case anything goes wrong.

I understand everyones passion, heart and wisdom that have gone into the responses so I am learning and paying attention to each of them.

So thank you all. As for home date, it will depend on when Riley is ready and I know he will have more chance of a great start cause of this thread and the advice given here. I can't walk away from him, I won't even apologize for that weakness. I would frankly rather deal with the loss of respect that I will get from a few you than undo my promise to him. It has been a couple weeks since I met him I think and yet I can still remember the way he felt in my hands and the look on his face. I was already bonded and I can't help that now.

That being said IF I ever consider myself able to have another yorkie, I will be going to a YT recommended breeder and make sure he/she is 12 wks and everything else I have learned here will be followed to the letter.

Originally Posted by TexasKat08 (Post 3469088)

Apparently, I struck a nerve. I guess I would just like to ask what your motivation is for breeding? Are you attempting to improve the breed? I won't apologize for believing that this is critical when making the decision to breed. This is MY opinion.

I would consider myself a dog fancier. Yes, I own a Yorkie, I study, I am involved with rescue. I enjoy attending AKC dog shows. I think you - and others that choose to ignore the basic guidelines of being a reputable breeder - should tread more carefully than us lay people. Advice is completely different than opinion.

I'm not trying to start controversy. And I have no interest in getting into a pissing match with anybody. I'm just answering your question. Again, agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3469685)

You can always find breeders who take puppies away from their mothers at 8 weeks of age. Usually these are the same breeders who think pre-mating testing is not necessary, don't ever have their dogs certified for problems of joints, eyes,heart, and liver, never bile acid test, who don't get their dam pre-natal check up with the vet, don't get xrays of the pups, who leave the pups to whelp on their own, who have NO CLUE about genetically matching a dam and sire, who don't care if they are breeding dogs with deviations from standards (things like poor toplines, poor bites, rounded ears, curly hair, etc) who will basically breed any two dogs that can make them some money.

For the breeders who put money first, it is important to get those puppies out of the house and money in the hand as quickly as they can. That way if anything goes wrong, it is on the new owners time.

I think we as a society have evolved a great deal in how we treat animals over the last century. Some throwbacks are still being practiced though. Modern EXPERT advice is to wait until a Yorkie pup is 12 weeks before taking it from the mother. Sure it was done earlier than that in the past and many survived and some even well-adjusted. But the majority of new puppy problems also come from those early placements. I wish all breeders would come into the 21st century and understand we now do what is best for the pup not what is easiest on the wallet! Keep them until at least 12 weeks and 16 weeks so you can BAT test would be even better!

Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3469745)

:yeahthat:
So well said. I wanted to add...despite what some people say in defense of "being a good breeder" and not doing in the least the things listed in the first paragraph here...
Actions speak louder than words...and proof on paper of those actions.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3469685)

You can always find breeders who take puppies away from their mothers at 8 weeks of age. Usually these are the same breeders who think pre-mating testing is not necessary, don't ever have their dogs certified for problems of joints, eyes,heart, and liver, never bile acid test, who don't get their dam pre-natal check up with the vet, don't get xrays of the pups, who leave the pups to whelp on their own, who have NO CLUE about genetically matching a dam and sire, who don't care if they are breeding dogs with deviations from standards (things like poor toplines, poor bites, rounded ears, curly hair, etc) who will basically breed any two dogs that can make them some money.

For the breeders who put money first, it is important to get those puppies out of the house and money in the hand as quickly as they can. That way if anything goes wrong, it is on the new owners time.

I think we as a society have evolved a great deal in how we treat animals over the last century. Some throwbacks are still being practiced though. Modern EXPERT advice is to wait until a yorkie pup is 12 weeks before taking it from the mother. Sure it was done earlier than that in the past and many surived and some even well-adjusted. But the majority of new puppy problems also come from those early placements. I wish all breeders would come into the 21st century and understand we now do what is best for the pup not what is easiest on the wallet! Keep them until at least 12 weeks and 16 weeks so you can BAT test would be even better!

Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3469745)

:yeahthat:
So well said. I wanted to add...despite what some people say in defense of "being a good breeder" and not doing in the least the things listed in the first paragraph here...
Actions speak louder than words...and proof on paper of those actions.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3469756)

So many learn to talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. But what amazes me beyond all is that there are those that don't even talk the talk and those that will still buy from them; both doing so to save a buck$$$$. And at the expense of the dog.

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3469737)

No.. Because I know better!

Yes... I may be a bit lacking in the knowledge department. That is one of the reasons why I am here. But so many of you are ignorant in your opinions of me! I would never say such a thing to any of you. I did an enormous amount of research. But there is always more to be learn. I am finding that out...Some of you make it very hard to ask questions that myself or others need answered to. ("Afraid to post but need to..") I am getting a bit sick of some people jumping down my troughs over every little comment I make. They are seriously uninformed and do not know me well enough to form an opinion of me.

At least you took the time to look at my information. Thank you for that... The things that you pointed out are valid and I agree can use some work. They can be changed at any time. When I have more information and the answers I need.

But no madder what you or anyone else on here thinks of me, I know better. I am a good breeder because I thrive to learn and to become an even better one!

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3469781)

When you are on here advocating that it is fine for a pup to go to its new home at 8 weeks unless its a tiny people who know this is not what reputable breeders do are going to speak up. You will find on here that people are dog lovers have dogs best interest at heart and their opinions are going to reflect that. Im glad your open to learning. You can learn a lot from the experienced breeders on here.

Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3468707)

Aren't they not supposed to have all the vacs at 8 weeks per most vets, but some do anyways? :confused:
I hope someone know knows can comment on that and why...

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3468834)

No they start them between 6-7 weeks of age and receive vacinations up to a year old when they receive their first 3 yr. Rabies.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3468887)

Originally Posted by chomper09 (Post 3469110)

i worked as a vet tech and the average age a puppy is let go to new homes is from 7 wks on up.... you have nothing to worry about.....hope you make the right decision....

Originally Posted by Pam 19 (Post 3469823)

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3469165)

People need to understand that vets are not breeders and most are actually quite clueless about the ins and outs of dog breeding other than how to perform the x-ray check ups and a c-section if needed. granted there are many things we have to trust our vets with, but breeding is better left up to those that have been doing it all their lives.

also vets are not behavioralists so they do not understand complex dog emotions and mental and social needs of the dog. even trainers and behavioral experts are not always going to know breed specific needs like the breeder with the most experience in directly working with that breed does.

trust a reputable breeder NOT the vet, the techs, or the trainers. reputable breeders are usually involved in or linked to the dog's parent club and know the ins and outs of that breeder better than any general practicing trainer or vet.

Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3469812)

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3471128)

Please don't start ragging on my Veterinarians / So un-cool !

I am not a veterinarian, and neither are you, so therefor we/ I must follow the recommendations of my family vet. Who has knows my dogs from day one. Plus I have gone to the same vet for the past 25+ yrs since I have owned my very first kitten.

Below is a link to a web site that backs the information that was posted, thank you!!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2115&aid=960

Originally Posted by TexasKat08 (Post 3471212)

This shot schedule seems very aggressive to me. I've NEVER had a puppy get a rabies vaccine before 4 or 5 months so 12 weeks seems super early. Do your own vet's recommendations coincide with this schedule? No they do not I noticed in the paragraph after the schedule this disclaimer: " . . . recommendations vary depending on age, breed, and health status of the dog, . . ." so even these vets are alluding to the fact that there is no "one size fits all protocol.". I totaly agree, each dog/breed should be treated on an individul bases. Check out this link, which has a schedule of vaccinations VASTLY different and much more conservative than the one you reference:

My youngest rec. here first rabies at 15 weeks, she was still too small.

DR. JEAN DODDS' CANINE VACCINATION PROTOCOL ? 2010

I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat. Does your vet specialize in toy breeds? Also, not all vets have experience with pregnant dogs, which I would consider very important if I was a breeder. In fact, my daughter is a vet tech and she has worked for 2 private practices and neither one of them was pro- reproduction.

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3470187)

Well thanks :), the only pic I have is the orginal one she sent me which I shared on my intro thread but here it is again in case you missed it. His little face just turns my heart over!

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3471247)

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