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yorkieusa 03-16-2011 03:05 PM

Hi!:) I'd just like to welcome you with open arms to YT. If you think everyone on this board got their babies at 12 weeks, you'd be very wrong. I can certainly understand your falling in love with him, so please do not feel bad for that. I think he's going to have a wonderful home and be loved beyond words. So, welcome aboard!:D

EsmeeKimme 03-16-2011 03:11 PM

Drat lol forgot to answer a question..as to the registration he will be AKC registered. I believe it full registration though it might as well be limited for me cause he won't get the chance lol.

MauiGirl 03-16-2011 03:22 PM

EsmeeKimme, Welcome to Yorkie Talk, and congratulations on your new fur-kid. You are going to be a great mommy to the little one, and there are all these "aunties" here to help you no matter what.

It's good that you are able to stay at home; that is the best way to get things off to a good start with a young one and protect him. It is just like having a baby and you certainly will have your hands full; but it is a joyful time too.

katarina 03-16-2011 03:31 PM

I didn't know about the 12 week rule either and I did so much research! I got him at almost 9 weeks old, he's 14 weeks now and adjusting perfectly, I couldn't have hoped for a better puppy. Don't worry, if you've already fallen in love with him then your mind is set as well. Good luck! :D

ArmaniMan 03-16-2011 03:33 PM

Hi and Welcome to YT!

I also got both of mine too early- however, they both also have extensive health issues that require constant and expensive care. This is usually what concerns me most- sending puppies home too early is often just one of the signs of a bad breeder, the easiest to see. Many times these puppies (like mine) come home seeming perfectly healthy- mine got clean bills of health from various vets for (months for one, years for the other) before their health issues popped up. I knew better (somewhat) before I got my second one and I still ended up with her- so I understand your situation.

Obviously not all dogs that come home early will have health problems. Only you can decide what you want to do and what your willing to deal with in the future if needed. But regardless of what you decide, you will certainly be welcomed with open arms here- so you should never feel like you can't post something.

Good Luck!

teacup0819 03-16-2011 03:39 PM

First of all....welcome to YT!! You have received the best advice already from some very knowledgeable people so I have no further advice to give other than enjoy your little pup. I had had two yorkies...one I received at 8 weeks from a neighbor who thought it would be nice to have her dog have puppies and another at 12 weeks from a breeder. The major difference was that my first yorkie (8 week old boy) was very nervous and a little nipper :eek: if he wasn't familiar with you. He was on the large side when he was given to me and was large all his life (12 lbs). But he lived a very healthy happy life till he passed at age 9 1/2. My Trixie is a little over a year old and is much more secure and so far...no nipping. This could just be personality or it could be 4 additional weeks with her mom and littermates teaching her proper etiquette.

Best of luck to you on the adoption of your newest furbaby. They are just wonderful to live with!!

laci32 03-16-2011 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3465176)
Hi I have been lurking and making an occasional post on the board for about a week now and just need to get my situation off my chest. I have been afraid to post because I don't want to be one of those people to all of you and I do want so much to fit in with this community and forum. Out of concern for Riley and myself though I have to post.

I want you to know I did research the breed itself but I seriously did not know about the 12 wks until home thing until I came to this site. I found this site after I had already met him, fallen in love with him and put down my deposit.

In my welcome thread I was told he will be to young to home because he will be about 8 wks so I did contact the breeder and voiced the information and concerns I heard here. She didn't understand my issue because she has been breeding for quite a few years and she says she always makes sure they have the vets ok to come home before she releases them. That is why she gave me an estimate of the 25th not a firm date.

I have looked further and I do not think she is invovled in the show world or whatever either though she tells me she is, I did meet both the parents and they seemed very sociable, happy and healthy. She does not keep them outside in cages but in her home. I did know enough from having dogs before to look at the conditions they were in.

I know from enhaling this forum for days now she is probably not what you would consider a top notch breeder because she isn't doing the titles stuff and because of the letting him go before 12 wks.

I can't walk away from him now though and I just don't know what to do. I fell for him and feel like I have already promised him he is going to be with us. I am not a wealthy woman but it isn't even the non-refundable deposit that has got me all messed up inside, I honestly want him and feel like I love him at this point.

Hubby can't understand my issue, he thought she seemed nice and the parents are great so why am I having problems even though I have shown him where you guys say 12 wks and the person should be "improving the breed".

I am so torn and it hurts to think that if I do what I know I probably will, then I will have to find another forum for us to go to where they won't know I got him to young. That seems deciteful though, and feels wrong to me. Not to mention the fact that I like you people already. I have read so many posts and threads that I feel I have a sense of who some of you are already.

So there it is. I am not a breeder by the way nor would I ever consider it even if I wanted to with him just because of the uncertainly I feel now about the whole thing but I can't promise you I won't pick him up at 8 wks. if I can't resolve that with her, all she says is how well he is eating puppy food now and how they need to go home when the vet says they are safe to do so.

Kimmie please don't ever be afraid to post, I know sometimes you see some harshness and it can make you not want to post. When I first came I admit I was a little intimidated but in time with honesty I became to love it and now I'm hooked .

There is more people than you know that have recieved their puppies before the 12 weeks and that includes me. I was the same way I thought I researched and got all the info I needed to bring my puppy home. I waited for the breeder to call and Andy came home at 10 weeks of age.

Maybe sometimes there can be issues but I have not seen it with Andy. Had I of known about that 12 week thing would I have passed him up and waited for another breeder? I don't know. I do know this I love him with all my heart, He's a good boy.

Having said that please don't get all twisted up about this. Like another poster told you follow your heart.

laci32 03-16-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3465269)
I would not back out now...
The reason I say 12 weeks is..most of mine are quite small...a 1 1/2 to 2 pounder at 8 or 9 weeks will as rule do just fine...it is these little 11 or 12 oz things that I read about here on YT that scare me so much...breeders have no concern for the pet owner and the heartache they can face with tiny one...

I do not start vaccines until 9 weeks..most vets are agreeing it is the best age..so I want several shots in mine and to get them over any bumps in the road....
Best wishes....

Andy was 1 1/2 pounds at 10 weeks when I got him. I did the yorkie shuffle across the floor for some time lmao sliding my feet and not lifting them although I bought him a bell. I was scared I would step on him

KazzyK810 03-16-2011 04:02 PM

Welcome to YT. I'm sure there are many of us that got our pups young, but after reading some of the posts on here, were not eager to advertise the fact and face the backlash.

I got my yorkie puppy at 6 weeks old :rolleyes: She'll be 14 weeks old tomorrow! Thankfully, she was a very healthy good size pup, but I still took two weeks off work to be with her 24/7 because she was so young & needed around the clock feedings. It's great that you'll be able to be with your lil guy 24/7 too.

I've actually enjoyed the extra time with my puppy while she's young. We are as close as can be, she's already potty-trained, we have our routine down pat and she's a confident lil pup with no anxiety or biting issues.

dawn27 03-16-2011 04:36 PM

You should never be afraid to post here on TY no madder how hard you think people might be on you. (and beleive me / they will) Hope for the best response and just look past the negativity and those who insite drama. Because if you don't "ask" you may just miss out on some really good and informative input from those of us on here who really do care and want to help.

It sounds to me that she may be misleading is some aspects but as far as keeping a puppy for 8 instead of recommended 12 weeks she is actually keeping the pup one week more than the law says that she has to. VA law states that a puppy can be released at only 7 week of age. (which I think is too young) every state is different, as well is every breeder practice of how long they choose to keep the puppies before turning them over the their forever homes. Even here in Ohio the law states that we must keep our puppy together with its mother for at least 8 week of age. I keep my pups longer if needed depending on their individual progress and of course size is a big factor as well.

I say go for it...... Follow your heart ! But be prepared for anything.

Overview of Puppy Age Sale Laws


Virginia mandates that a puppy be at least seven weeks old. Other states focus on the separation of the puppy or kitten from its mother in addition to specifying a minimum age.

Here is a link for more on the laws in VA on the requirement of the breeder before releasing a puppy.

Virginia Consolidated Dog Laws



BanditSocks2 03-16-2011 04:54 PM

Everyone's already posted great questions to ask and what to be sure to have on hand, but I had a suggestion. Could you say you're going on a suprise vacaction, so could she hold the puppy for 2 more weeks? That would buy you at least 2 more weeks of the pup learning from it's mom and then she wouldn't get defensive or anything? ;)

Welcome to YT:D

Charlies Mamma 03-16-2011 05:22 PM

Ok I really just skimmed through the posts so someone may have already suggested this but if you explained your concerns to the breeder would she keep him a few more weeks knowing you really wanted him and that you were simply looking to have his best interest at heart?

Jennxling 03-16-2011 05:22 PM

Hey~
 
If he's the one, go for it! ;) I got Carmel when he was 8 weeks old. You will just have to put more work into it. If you're willing to, then all will be good. He will have to learn to socialize, so bring him to the dog park or have playdates with other small breed dogs/puppies. He will also try to chew/bite everything, you will also have to teach him it's not okay...He may also bite while playing (something they learn from their litter mates), but you just have to be firm and teach him that it's NOT okay. Alright....ready for the next one??? :rolleyes: He will/may attempt to eat his poop...and you will just have to teach him not to as well. It's ALL WORTH IT when all of this is taken care of....and of course...potty training :eek:

Mardelin 03-16-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3465556)
Drat lol forgot to answer a question..as to the registration he will be AKC registered. I believe it full registration though it might as well be limited for me cause he won't get the chance lol.

Full registration.....if it were me I'd walk away. This breeder right off the bat has no concern how her pups will be used.

RachelandSadie 03-16-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3465730)
Full registration.....if it were me I'd walk away. This breeder right off the bat has no concern how her pups will be used.

i have to agree. she's letting em' out the door too young and she doesn't seem to have a care in the world if others are breeding them. just not someone i would want to give my hard earned money to. going on a limb and guessing her health guarantees will not be enough to actually cover the puppy against genetic defects for life or barely even a year at that.

i know your heart is set, but won't it hurt that much more if you happen to get this baby boy and he's suffering and sick all the time and you have to have your heart broken knowing something is wrong for his whole life?

only you can make the final choice, but really think it over hard and pray about it too. make sure that the love for the puppy isn't the ONLY reason and make sure that it's worth supporting a breeder that will only keep on breeding and doesn't seem to care about whether her pups are put into puppy mill and bad breeding homes (not that you are one of them, but open registration means anyone can do anything with them)

together4ever 03-16-2011 06:02 PM

My Molly was just 8 weeks old when I brought her home.

She is now 1 year old and weighs 9 pounds.

Taryn0405 03-16-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3465176)
Hi I have been lurking and making an occasional post on the board for about a week now and just need to get my situation off my chest. I have been afraid to post because I don't want to be one of those people to all of you and I do want so much to fit in with this community and forum. Out of concern for Riley and myself though I have to post.

I want you to know I did research the breed itself but I seriously did not know about the 12 wks until home thing until I came to this site. I found this site after I had already met him, fallen in love with him and put down my deposit.

In my welcome thread I was told he will be to young to home because he will be about 8 wks so I did contact the breeder and voiced the information and concerns I heard here. She didn't understand my issue because she has been breeding for quite a few years and she says she always makes sure they have the vets ok to come home before she releases them. That is why she gave me an estimate of the 25th not a firm date.

I have looked further and I do not think she is invovled in the show world or whatever either though she tells me she is, I did meet both the parents and they seemed very sociable, happy and healthy. She does not keep them outside in cages but in her home. I did know enough from having dogs before to look at the conditions they were in.

I know from enhaling this forum for days now she is probably not what you would consider a top notch breeder because she isn't doing the titles stuff and because of the letting him go before 12 wks.

I can't walk away from him now though and I just don't know what to do. I fell for him and feel like I have already promised him he is going to be with us. I am not a wealthy woman but it isn't even the non-refundable deposit that has got me all messed up inside, I honestly want him and feel like I love him at this point.

Hubby can't understand my issue, he thought she seemed nice and the parents are great so why am I having problems even though I have shown him where you guys say 12 wks and the person should be "improving the breed".

I am so torn and it hurts to think that if I do what I know I probably will, then I will have to find another forum for us to go to where they won't know I got him to young. That seems deciteful though, and feels wrong to me. Not to mention the fact that I like you people already. I have read so many posts and threads that I feel I have a sense of who some of you are already.

So there it is. I am not a breeder by the way nor would I ever consider it even if I wanted to with him just because of the uncertainly I feel now about the whole thing but I can't promise you I won't pick him up at 8 wks. if I can't resolve that with her, all she says is how well he is eating puppy food now and how they need to go home when the vet says they are safe to do so.

Don't ever be afraid to post anything. I have discovered with this website, that people, well most of us, are here to help with our current experiences whatever they may be. Regardless of where we got our puppy, how old our pups are, or what are preconceived notions are. We're here to help! :D

However, it's not common for 8 week old puppies to go to a new home, but not unheard of. They just require alot more attention then a 12 week old dog. My Cairn's were about 8 weeks and I know for a fact, especially with them being terriers, that we had to buckle down more so then that for a dog that's a little older.

For your piece of mind, if you plan on getting the puppy at 8 weeks, I would definitely get him checked out with the vet, and not expose him to the elements, i.e. use potty pads until about 10 weeks or until the vet feels he has had enough vaccines to be able to potty outside.

Good luck to you and please keep us posted!

Roccosmommy 03-16-2011 06:11 PM

I brought Rocco home at 8 weeks without knowing better, but he was 2.7lbs at that age. I think the weight, not just weeks, is a huge factor. You will just need to be prepared to be a firm mom and teach him his manners and socialization that his furmom won't be able to do. Happy to say I now have a very well behaved, happy 7.8 lb little man... Good luck to you!

TexasKat08 03-16-2011 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3465633)
You should never be afraid to post here on TY no madder how hard you think people might be on you. (and beleive me / they will) Hope for the best response and just look past the negativity and those who insite drama. Because if you don't "ask" you may just miss out on some really good and informative input from those of us on here who really do care and want to help.

It sounds to me that she may be misleading is some aspects but as far as keeping a puppy for 8 instead of recommended 12 weeks she is actually keeping the pup one week more than the law says that she has to. VA law states that a puppy can be released at only 7 week of age. (which I think is too young) every state is different, as well is every breeder practice of how long they choose to keep the puppies before turning them over the their forever homes. Even here in Ohio the law states that we must keep our puppy together with its mother for at least 8 week of age. I keep my pups longer if needed depending on their individual progress and of course size is a big factor as well.

I say go for it...... Follow your heart ! But be prepared for anything.

Overview of Puppy Age Sale Laws


Virginia mandates that a puppy be at least seven weeks old. Other states focus on the separation of the puppy or kitten from its mother in addition to specifying a minimum age.

Here is a link for more on the laws in VA on the requirement of the breeder before releasing a puppy.

Virginia Consolidated Dog Laws



Wow, as a breeder if your main concern is what you can do legally, I would have to question your ethics. I hardly think the law should be the guide here. Most larger breeds have no problem leaving the litter and mom at 8 weeks, but that is not the case with Yorkies. Any breeder allowing their Yorkies to go earlier than 12 weeks should be questioned about their commitment and concern to the health and welfare of the breed as a whole and specifically their own puppies. Clearly, the YTCA agrees.

FlDebra 03-16-2011 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme (Post 3465536)
Thank you all so much for the love and advice here. So many of you posted and took the time to read and try to help me through your extensive experience and knowledge.

I know I will be a better fur momma because of knowing all of you and just thank you from the bottom of my heart for your reactions.

I am currently putting together the emergency pack that a few of you suggested along with planning to give the Nutrical everyday.

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Please do not give Nutrical everyday as a matter of routine. It is for when the pup needs it. You can actually contribute to blood sugar management problems -- even diabetes, when you give too much. You can give it if you know the puppy has not eaten, when you know the puppy is undergoing excess physical exertion, or stressful situations (like riding in car or going to the vet) but mainly just when you see symptoms that he needs it. One good way to check is looking at the gums -- if they are pale & cold (not pink and flush) then rub a little Nutrical on them 3 times a day.

EsmeeKimme 03-16-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3465766)
Please do not give Nutrical everyday as a matter of routine. It is for when the pup needs it. You can actually contribute to blood sugar management problems -- even diabetes, when you give too much. You can give it if you know the puppy has not eaten, when you know the puppy is undergoing excess physical exertion, or stressful situations (like riding in car or going to the vet) but mainly just when you see symptoms that he needs it. One good way to check is looking at the gums -- if they are pale & cold (not pink and flush) then rub a little Nutrical on them 3 times a day.

Oh ok thanks for telling me, I would have read the instructions on it anyway beforehand but I was under the impression it was an everyday thing because of their size and blood sugar. I never even heard of the product until I started reading on the forum so it is new to me. I surely don't want to cause him problems.

JMuedog 03-16-2011 07:46 PM

Welcome to YT! I hope you'll not hesitate to post in the future, as you can see everyone is more than willing to help :)

You're already way ahead of where I was when I got Finnigan. You've already found YT and have the wealth of knowledge in these threads at your fingertips and plenty of supportive members to answer any other questions you may have.

I don't know if you've answered this question already or not, but is the breeder willing to keep the pup a couple extra weeks for you?

EsmeeKimme 03-16-2011 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMuedog (Post 3465858)
Welcome to YT! I hope you'll not hesitate to post in the future, as you can see everyone is more than willing to help :)

You're already way ahead of where I was when I got Finnigan. You've already found YT and have the wealth of knowledge in these threads at your fingertips and plenty of supportive members to answer any other questions you may have.

I don't know if you've answered this question already or not, but is the breeder willing to keep the pup a couple extra weeks for you?

I haven't spoken with her since someone suggested I say I have a vacation I need to take on impulse so I am gonna call her tommorrow and see how that works out.

EsmeeKimme 03-16-2011 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22 (Post 3465855)
If the puppy is too tiny at 8 weeks I don't think I would take the puppy, I'd at least ask if the pup could stay til 10 weeks if its very small. Thats just my personal opinion though. It may be worth it in the long run to loose the deposit then have to spend hundreds or thousands just to save 200 bucks or whatever you paid. Sometimes being selfish backfires.
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I wouldn't take him home unless I see that vet release she says she gets when they are ready because I wouldn't want to risk his life and it was something I simply didn't know about before I had made my arrangements with her. Like I said earlier its not about the deposit. I am not that kind of person.

I do appreciate all the support, advice and wisdom here so thank you. In case you don't see it though I have very paper thin skin, always have lol.

Thank you.

zowiandnikasmom 03-17-2011 03:54 AM

welcome to yorkie talk! we are happy to have you here and this site will be a staple for bringing up a new pup! i think you have already found that... sounds like you're trying to do the best thing possible and that is wonderful! wish you & the family the best, please keep us updated!

tammy8833 03-17-2011 07:28 AM

aw dont feel bad many many yorkies, and other pups go to new homes at 8 weeks every day and do perfectly well...

i got 1 at 6 weeks my first one..i think thats too young she has some issues but i was 19 i think when i got her..so i let her have her little fits..separation anxiety which i whole heartily think is from leaving her mommy to soon

then my second one i got her at 8 weeks perfectly happy normal dog..my perfect dog i love her to bits never had a moments trouble from her

my parents always got their shelties at 8 weeks and they are always perfect, mom just got a sheltie in feb actually already doing well..crate trained with in a day, potting outside, playing fetch, sitting and laying down...

i got my male at 12-13 weeks and hes been an angel, training was so easy he is the most loving cuddly little boy

so i was hooked the older the better...

THEN came my last female she was 11 weeks and as much as i love her she is crazy but in a good way..lol hyper..when she sees you her whole body wiggles and her whittle ears lay back and she does these little guggle growls..cute as a button BUT she cant go outside unless leashed because she runs away and will NOT listen..but the older she gets the better..she just turned a year and i have seen big improvements with that year mark. and she is perfectly trained on potty pads

i think the most of what happens is in their personality not age..ive had experiences will all of the ages =) but thats just my opinion

as long as you are constant and diligent in corrective training your puppy will be a okay

horsnaround 03-17-2011 08:08 AM

Don't be worried on taking the pup home at eight weeks if he is eating and been to the vet for first shots and worming And has a health check. I have seen several pups go home that early and be just fine and adjust well. Of coure these pups may be more the teapot size dogs. I got my Lexi at seven weeks which was way to young I know now but she potty trained easy and I have never had any problems with her. Just my experience with my dogs and puppies. Good luck

rentfrog 03-17-2011 09:03 AM

While I do feel that leaving the pup with their mother and siblings longer is the optimal thing.................I got my Paisley at 10 weeks. She is now a happy healthy 6 lb 2 year old with all the energy in the world. We do have three other dogs, so she learned manners from them and that helped.
With that being said, we also have a 13 year old min pin/italian greyhound mix that we brought home when he was 3 weeks old. His mother had a c-section and rejected the litter, so he had already had to be bottle fed his whole 3 weeks of existence, which we had to continue for 4 more weeks after we brought him home. While he is a VERY healthy dog (still going strong at 13), very well behaved, was easy to potty train and quite the cuddler, he is also "different". Maybe from being babied too much, maybe from the bottle feeding, maybe from no exposure to his littermates at such a young age..........not sure the exact reason, but he has never learned to play, even though we tried, he just doesn't "get it", is SUPER attached to my one daughter and VERY over-protective of her. Does not like strangers AT ALL.
Had I known more at the time we took him in, I may have not coddled him so much, treated him a bit differently, done things different, tried harder to find ways to TEACH him to play..........I love him unconditionally though and he is a wonderful loving boy. It can be ok if they come home too young, they CAN learn to be just like every other dog, they can lead healthy happy long lives. Just make sure to educate yourself, which you appear to be doing!

jojomima 03-17-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BonBon (Post 3465199)
I am so sorry you were afraid to post this. You sound like the type of caring, thoughtful person YT needs more of. If you ever decide on another puppy hopefully you'll use all you've learned here to make a more informed decision.

Many, many members have been in your situation. We always advise them against bringing home puppies so young because that's what's best for the puppies. Once the puppy is in their new home however, we still want what's best for them - and that means being here to support you, to share experiences and offer advice.

I am not advocating that you bring this puppy home so young, but if you choose to do so then I will be happy offer all the help I can. :)

Bonny


The way most of us feel. YT welcomes you.

Connie 03-17-2011 09:53 AM

You already love that baby and I say go for it. I got Maddie when she was 7 1/2 weeks and she has had no issues, except that she likes to bark, which is true for many yorkies. She may have not come from the best breeder, but when getting a second yorkie, if one had been available from her, I would have gotten one in a heartbeat. Best wishes to you and your new baby!


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