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Wow!! I know I'm still new..... But several times I have not posted what I thought, this time I'm posting. This site is supposed to be educational. There is a common belief that unless you are a shower, or a breeder of champions, and god forbid you had an accidental pregnancy....you will be 'booed off the stage" if you will, if you are new. Several times over the last few weeks, I've seen newbies come & go because they had a question about something you all deemed controversial, & attacked them. Granted, if we feel that the newbie needs to get their dog to the vet ASAP, things can get heated, but that's an emergency, & urgency is needed. However, when someone has a gestation or pregnancy question, instead of jumping on the bandwagon as some of us do, how about answering the question? Linking some good "dangerous" threads, things that can or will go wrong, etc.? They will figure out the rest for themselves if they hang around & read. If you scare them off their first day, we have not educated them, & they actually leave us uneducated, & with a feeling that we are just nutz over here. I'm sorry, but I have seen a few members who seem to thrive on starting controversy in threads. They have tons of posts, so I'm aware that they are probably valued members here and I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I just feel new folks should get helped before torn up into shreds. |
Well after youve been here a while longer and see enough newbie breeder threads you may see why they get alot of the responses. Should people really be getting answers to something as important as putting their dogs life at risk to breed from an online forum or should they be doing extensive research and having a mentor. I understand what your saying though and see unnecessary comments also |
i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups. i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article.... My Name is Sam | Life With Dogs having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY..... |
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I agree with all of you....but...... If the negative comments are made with courtesy and kinder words perhaps the newbies wouldn't be scared off. I know sometimes you want to just scream and shout, but it doesn't exactly transfer to posts. Sometimes the threads get really nasty and I don't believe there is a reason for that. IMO |
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Honestly, I am in awe of the breeders who will still answer questions here. I'm sure they walk a fine line between wanting to do what's best for the dog and not wanting to encourage breeders who ,either through ignorance or indifference, didn't bother to find out the facts and work with a mentor BEFORE breeding. I'm sure they have to be sick of the "I wanted to breeder her because my mom/husband/kids/neighbor wanted a free dog/wanted the experience/thought I could make a few bucks threads. None of those are valid reasons for breeding while there are so many unwanted dogs being PTS every year in the U.S.. The 'oops' breedings are just as bad, if not worse IMO, because it's 100% preventable. Stick around long enough and you will see how many don't even bother to start preparing until it's literally D-day. Bottom line, an online forum is no substitute for a real life mentor. |
As I agree with you mostly, I also feel there are two sides to every story. That being said, I'm sure alot of members who have been here for awhile have seen/heard too many things that have made them uneasy. As a result they may tend to overreact. I am a newbie myself, and have already seen some posts that have made my jaw hit the floor! That alone has made me react a certain way to other future posts about a same topic. I'm guilty, I'll admit it. At the end of the day I think most of us share the same passion here. Our love for animals and their safety. Different people react differently to different situations. Did I say different enough?! :rolleyes: Unless someone is just COMPLETELY out of line when posting a response such as name calling, breaking YT rules, etc then I feel any OP should be aware that not EVERYONE is going to share their same views. Some are more "blunt" about it than others, but the message is still the same. I am fully aware anytime I post that there may be someone on here with different views than what I'm stating and may verbalize that to me. That is when I put on my thick skin and remember that I came here asking, and should be prepared to hear all kinds of answers. Even if it's one I may not like or necessarily want to. |
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Sometimes people need to hear the truth, and the truth can't always be sugarcoated. If people don't like it here there are other places for them, but this always has been and will continue to be the best, most informative, and busiest yorkie forum. |
I am very new here myself, And I have seen the threads, and I do a lot of reading here. I think some the answers IMHO come from a place of being helpful. I also feel they could out of some folks not having some common sense (or just not using it). The response are a reaction of that. |
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Alana...thank you for the story, I just cried and still am...hiding my tears from my Granddaughter(I don't feel like questions right now). To the OP..I do not think it's attacking when those up here explain EVERYTHING that can and that HAS happened in any given situation posted. Only by experience is sound advice(more than none) given. If those who are new here are looking for answers well, that's what they get, but, not just a "topical ointment" for the situation but a whole in depth diagnosis. If they leave or think those up here are nuts, then they have shown they do not care for the answers they came looking for. What did they want? For their situation to be sugar coated? Think about it...why would anyone up here even bother to answer if they didn't care?. Just to scare them off? Yes, this is an educational forum....from kindergarten to a masters. I do not think that anyone would want anybody to just "figure" out the rest but to be well aware of...I'll say it again...what can and HAS happened. I have seen post go off the charts too. But I ain't running scared or pissed or upset. Like the movie/book about "Horton Hears a Who"......We are here, We are here.....WE ARE HERE!!! |
I know it can seem unwelcoming to new people who come on here with questions regarding pregnant dogs and they feel like they are being yelled at. I think it's best if we can try and help them understand the reason people get upset when hearing of another pregnant dog in a positive manner even though we may want to scream. I still think anyone who is thinking of breeding should have to spend a few days at a local shelter and see the faces of these now unwanted dogs. I volunteer at a shelter every Wednesday and every week I do the files on the new intakes and it is heart breaking to see the reason's these innocent babies ended up here. Look at their scared faces wondering why am I here, looking at everyone who comes by to see if it is their owner coming to get them. It is so depressing I don't think anyone, or most anyone could see this and still want to breed just for the heck of it. |
If one is not prepared to take a stand, press it hard and defend it, what good is a forum? We can get pure information and reading material about dogs anywhere - books, magazine articles, vet hand-outs and brochures, and on the internet. I think they come here for more than information - I think they are looking for advice and opinions. The more forceful comments I have seen were made by YT'ers trying to get the OP to take some meaningful, beneficial action for the dog in question or find out what is really behind the original post or in the OP's thinking. I sure hope YorkieTalk.com never changes this format. |
So many Sam's. So many existing through life in puppy mill cages. So many chained in back yards in all weather. So many in homes of people that just ignore them and don't really even give them basic care until it is too late. |
This is the nature of online public forums...you get lots of opinions...some good some bad. It may be a bit shocking to someone new to the world of forums, but if you've been on them for a while you know what to expect. Something that bothers me a lot is the untruthfulness. A member pretending to be someone else, or someone posting just to get a rise out of everyone. While no one should respond in a rude manner, I can see why it gets tempers flared. It is what it is. By choosing to be a member you have to accept the good and the bad and know when to respond and when to ignore. |
I said I similar thing on a thread just the other day when people asked why these newbies post & don't come back. You can get the same information across politely & with tact...but some posters just don't seem to realize that or have the manners to do so effectively. |
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Crud, need to bite my tongue and sit on my hands to keep from responding again...:rolleyes: |
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" an accidental pregnancy" Really? IMO no pet owner should ever have an "accidental pregnancy". To me that means you are not taking the steps and precautions of being a responsible pet owner. Owning a dog is not just a privilege-it's a responsibility, its our job to do all the steps to make sure our pet is healthy. One of those steps is spay and neuter so the "accidental pregnancy" does not happen. |
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The truth of the matter is that it is NOT always the newbies ..... It is a shame though when it happens , but a lot of people here can be very persistent and rough in some threads. It would be nice if people could take a few deep breaths before responding in a mature, adult manner. |
I feel like we should all just monitor our OWN words and not worry so much about everyone else's. Online forums are not necessarily known to be warm and fuzzy places - especially when controversial topics are involved. There is no better yorkie site than YT - flaws and all. |
Some good points made. Thanks everyone |
I know what you mean - I made the mistake of asking if anyone ever lets their yorkie run free - I had never had a small dog before and when I asked the question, people wrote inferring that I was a horrible pet owner etc. I was new, shocked and almost left. I did receive some personal messages apologizing, of course, no one apologized so everyone could see. I've developed a tougher skin and have noticed a trend that it seems to be the same few people who slam people quickly. Now I stay and weed out the good info and ignore any rude comments. YT has given me lots of info and I hope new comers, no matter how bad their questions are, can be given informative decisions for their dilemmas. |
Passions often run high on passionate topics...just hope those with passions running high are spreading education...and just passion on high. I omitted a bunch from these quotes... Quote:
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I will admit a few times I would think geezzzee what bug is up that persons's b**. And there are a few times I did not post what I really thought because I did want to have the negative comments come down on me. I think what bothers me the most is when an op ask a question and a part of the question become a major debate with a lot of negative coming down on the op. Sometimes the original question is even totally lost - for example an op asked why her pup's hair was sparse and the post turned to the fact she got a pup from a byb .. I can think of many more. I also am a bit tired of the "debate" over small (say the 3 pounders) vs the over standard size. Why is it ok to brag you have a big dog (happy for you.. love the dog) but you are attacked if you have a small dog.. heaven help you if you say you want a small dog...aren't both out of standard ? Of course I am not talking about the tiny ting unhealthy dogs.. just a normal small yorkie. Oh... heaven can't help you if you want to breed...or if you want a parti. I also think sometime a member is "ganged" upon.. but it seams to workout somehow. I have seen when someone post a comment on a thread and everyone "agrees" .... but I wonder if they really read the post. One time I had some one post something negative that was misquoted and taken out of content... and there were a bunch of :thumbup::thumbup: I really don't think the following group really read the post. Saying that, after being on for a year I realize seeing people make the same mistakes can drive you crazy!! I think some members come on a bit too strong because they have been there so many times.. and the sugar coating just doesn't work for them anymore. I think they don't mean to be rude or sound harsh. If you notice most of their post they are kind caring people. I would rather have people who have passion and maybe step on a few toes than a bunch of sheep :D I have learned a lot about Yorkies and have changed my opinion about a lot (for example... I had thought of breeding my female... now I know I will not... maybe in the future when I know a lot and have a mentor I will breed.. but not now). And yes, I do get annoyed when someone ask me if Remy is a tcup.. (now she is a piggy -- 4.5 lbs-- so maybe they won't ask anymore lol) All in all .... I love this site and I love the people |
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