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yorkieusa · 02-22-2011, 05:18 PM

That's a really cute story. They are smart. A person learns that you can talk to them and they understand a lot more than anyone else would believe!

rentfrog · 02-22-2011, 05:31 PM

Isn't that the truth!! Yorkies are almost too smart. Preston is almost spooky in how intently he watches you and pays attention to what you say or are doing!! People tell me all the time that he almost looks "too human". When my daughter has friends over, he will walk to her bedroom door and stand and stare at them for a few minutes like he is saying "you better be good!" Sometimes he will take his toys outside, and forget them when he comes back in. We look out in the yard and see them, and call him and tell him he left his toy outside, he will go to the door and wait for us to open it, then go out, pick it up and bring it back in. ROFL

yorkietalkjilly · 02-22-2011, 05:45 PM

Oh, Lord, my Tibbe was 9 months old when I got him and had lived all his little life in a HORRIBLE crate! He knew nothing but pottying in his crate and refused to go anywhere except in his crate. I took that little guy out every 15 minutes after I got him home, exhulted and "treated" every squat and before long, the lure of outside smells, other dogs odors in the area, leaving his mark and his learned love of a clean crate began to work magic. I quit the "treataing" but continued the praising. At 14 months, I quit the crate entirely and just watched him like a hawk. I would crate him when I had to be away from the house for a while until at 1 1/2 years he had his last "accident" in the house, having visited the living room rug in the middle of the night. Now he is 3 years and perfectly clean in the house. When I think back about that first 2 months of running outside every 15 minutes until he began to learn where he liked to potty best, I grow weak with gratitude that his little brain eventually got it. I couldn't go through that again for anything but boy, did the hard work pay off with this little guy. He much prefers going outside and will NOT go in the house for anything. I leave pee pads down when I have to go on errands, etc., but he will not use them - he just holds it for outside. I wish he would use the pads when I'm away but he is so fastidious he will not. When at the vet, he will not go in the crate there either they tell me. So, stick with your little guy's training and eventually the dog will begin to learn that outside is where all the smells are and that that is the absolutely best place to do one's business. Plus, it leaves all their own lovely smells to compete with all those neighborhood dog's smells wafting about the air and I think that is what they want - to leave their mark outside where other dogs can sent their odors. From what I understand, they can smell other dogs' scents from yards away! And my little guy doesn't even raise his leg to mark on a tree - he just squats like a girl dog but he seems to really enjoy that he has added to the neighborhood "air quality" and he very merrily runs in the house when done as if to say "let them deal with that!" - so proud of himself. So stick with your hard work and give your stubborn little baby time to learn where the most rewarding place to do one's business is - OUTSIDE where all the good smells are!

yorkieusa · 02-22-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, Lord, my Tibbe was 9 months old when I got him and had lived all his little life in a HORRIBLE crate! He knew nothing but pottying in his crate and refused to go anywhere except in his crate. I took that little guy out every 15 minutes after I got him home, exhulted and "treated" every squat and before long, the lure of outside smells, other dogs odors in the area, leaving his mark and his learned love of a clean crate began to work magic. I quit the "treataing" but continued the praising. At 14 months, I quit the crate entirely and just watched him like a hawk. I would crate him when I had to be away from the house for a while until at 1 1/2 years he had his last "accident" in the house, having visited the living room rug in the middle of the night. Now he is 3 years and perfectly clean in the house. When I think back about that first 2 months of running outside every 15 minutes until he began to learn where he liked to potty best, I grow weak with gratitude that his little brain eventually got it. I couldn't go through that again for anything but boy, did the hard work pay off with this little guy. He much prefers going outside and will NOT go in the house for anything. I leave pee pads down when I have to go on errands, etc., but he will not use them - he just holds it for outside. I wish he would use the pads when I'm away but he is so fastidious he will not. When at the vet, he will not go in the crate there either they tell me. So, stick with your little guy's training and eventually the dog will begin to learn that outside is where all the smells are and that that is the absolutely best place to do one's business. Plus, it leaves all their own lovely smells to compete with all those neighborhood dog's smells wafting about the air and I think that is what they want - to leave their mark outside where other dogs can sent their odors. From what I understand, they can smell other dogs' scents from yards away! And my little guy doesn't even raise his leg to mark on a tree - he just squats like a girl dog but he seems to really enjoy that he has added to the neighborhood "air quality" and he very merrily runs in the house when done as if to say "let them deal with that!" - so proud of himself. So stick with your hard work and give your stubborn little baby time to learn where the most rewarding place to do one's business is - OUTSIDE where all the good smells are!

Wonderful story! I don't think I could go through it again, either.

joekhoo · 02-22-2011, 06:07 PM

Cute and interesting story. I just had mine for a month and I'm still figuring out how to potty train him. At times he will pee on the wee-pad, at times he will just pee 2 inch away from the wee-pad (yea...why not make it 1 inch ya?

). But when he poo, it's like a walking timebomb. It can drop any second and fast!! I did try to bring him to the toilet after meal or study his trend, roughly what time he needs to poo but that never work. He will always sit on the floor and stare at me blankly...at times we can end up staring at each other for 10 mins then he lie down and sleep....I'm like OMG....just POOO ok...

. Best of all, this always happen in the morning before I go to work. Imagine that, I purposely force myself to wake up early just to have more time for him to poo and he just fall asleep right in front of me...

Anyways, I'm not giving up. I'm still reading on how to potty train and try out any possibility until I found one that works for him and me...

Let's fight this battle together..LuluB....

(high-5)

yorkietalkjilly · 02-22-2011, 06:27 PM

If you have ready access to outside and are up to it, taking them outside literally every 15 minutes begins to imprint them once they are outside, get the urge and do it out there. There is their scent out there with all the others. Just give them hope they will get to reinforce that whole episode by repeating if frequently and soon they begin to associate mealtime with outside right after. Drinking water with outside right after. Tugowar with outside right after. Naptime with outside right after. Excitement of any kind with outside right after. Pretty soon when outside after one of those episodes, they get the urge, go and after enough repetitions, it all begins to get associated in their brain and that's the way it should be from then on in their minds. It is SUCH a hassle though while in the midst of that intense a training scheule and one has got to give oneself some candy or shopping rewards for such sainthood of sticking to that strict schedule but before long your Yorkie is habituated and once a Yorkie is habituated - it's written in STONE in his mind! To this day after my Tibbe eats he still looks to me to take him outside! I kindly tell him "not right now" because I know he really doesn't need to go potty and that it's usually more than 2 hrs or more after he eats now before he needs to really "go" but he's still so associating his initial training of outside right after eating that he asks after every meal. I learned after he grew up that he really can't go right after eating and so eventually stopped taking him out and started asking him to wait until the urge and not the meal prompts him. Once, they were one and the same - he ate and he needed to go. Now, after a couple of hours after mealtime, he asks again but this time with urgency in his look and attitude and out he goes into the back yard. No matter how ragged you get, stick with a strick schedule and habituate your doggie. Once they prefer going outside, you can then slack off and wait until the actual urge to go in prompting them to look to you to get them outside and it all gets relaxed and casual and it is no big deal. However, my first fews weeks of having Tibbe still give me nightmares regarding that schedule!!!! Well worth it? A lifetime of a dog that is clean in the house.

smyrfette · 02-23-2011, 04:42 AM

Its amazing what a little love and dedication will do for them.

Sad he lived in his crate like that like my savannah did.

I didn't even own a crate when I brought her home and figured I'd be dealing with potty mistakes

She is doing well for being 4 years old and this lady did let them out of the crates to potty on the pad once in a while.

I have flooring everywhere so I'm lucky and I did have to remove my hall runner for now

I know she poops after she eats in the morning so this morning like a good mama...I sat on the stair step in my hall and drank my coffee until she looked at me and decided I guess ...I should go near the back door and use that potty pad...not the floor near the front door.

I can't put a pad there and it might have something to do with her pad used to be near a similar door but we couldn't use our garage or the front door if I put one there.

I have faith and thanks for your story it helped me because she just started doing this a few days ago after having her almost 4 weeks.

smyrfette · 02-23-2011, 04:48 AM

I have a tray for my pads and had both the smaller and larger holder for them.

I tried to switch savannah over to the smaller tray and she didn't like it so I put the large one back and use two pads on it.

I do not recall paying this much for mine but I had it for my binky and find these holders amazing for saving my flooring and with the little lip on it ..it sets the potty boundry and is very well made. I've had mine over 6 years and its still in great shape.

Iris Pet Dog Puppy Wee Wee Training Pad Holder Tray LG - eBay (item 380293211121 end time Feb-24-11 11:34:06 PST)

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Originally Posted by joekhoo

Cute and interesting story. I just had mine for a month and I'm still figuring out how to potty train him. At times he will pee on the wee-pad, at times he will just pee 2 inch away from the wee-pad (yea...why not make it 1 inch ya?

). But when he poo, it's like a walking timebomb. It can drop any second and fast!! I did try to bring him to the toilet after meal or study his trend, roughly what time he needs to poo but that never work. He will always sit on the floor and stare at me blankly...at times we can end up staring at each other for 10 mins then he lie down and sleep....I'm like OMG....just POOO ok...

. Best of all, this always happen in the morning before I go to work. Imagine that, I purposely force myself to wake up early just to have more time for him to poo and he just fall asleep right in front of me...

Anyways, I'm not giving up. I'm still reading on how to potty train and try out any possibility until I found one that works for him and me...

Let's fight this battle together..LuluB....

(high-5)

yorkietalkjilly · 02-23-2011, 11:34 AM

What a good momma you are - drinking your coffee while you watch her and train. Stick with it and your rewards the rest of your years together will be much easier. Aren't they so worth all they put us through, though? It is amazing how all the work we do gets lost in time amidst all the fun, laughter, cuddling, romping and kisses.

BlondeLocks · 02-23-2011, 01:09 PM

I take Kody out about every 1/2hr. to 1hr. He doesn't give me a sign as to when he has to go. But each time I take him out put to "potty" he always pees - even if you don't really have to, he still will. I know in the morning has he has to pee/poop and in the afternoon he usually poops as well. Now evening time, can be iffy with poop, mostly it's just twice a day. Pee all day long.

I just purchased the training bells to see if they will help with a signal to go out potty. He was scared of the bells yesterday when I first hung them, now he's warmed up to them a little.

I'm still in training mode and from what I'm reading I still have long way to go.

yorkieusa · 02-23-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlondeLocks

I take Kody out about every 1/2hr. to 1hr. He doesn't give me a sign as to when he has to go. But each time I take him out put to "potty" he always pees - even if you don't really have to, he still will. I know in the morning has he has to pee/poop and in the afternoon he usually poops as well. Now evening time, can be iffy with poop, mostly it's just twice a day. Pee all day long.

I just purchased the training bells to see if they will help with a signal to go out potty. He was scared of the bells yesterday when I first hung them, now he's warmed up to them a little.

I'm still in training mode and from what I'm reading I still have long way to go.

Wishing you luck. I've had lots of good luck with the bells. At first, they usually ring them all of the time, but it will eventually become just when they want out. You just have to have lots of patience.

smyrfette · 02-23-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

What a good momma you are - drinking your coffee while you watch her and train. Stick with it and your rewards the rest of your years together will be much easier. Aren't they so worth all they put us through, though? It is amazing how all the work we do gets lost in time amidst all the fun, laughter, cuddling, romping and kisses.

It sure is amazing I've had a flu bug of sorts since yesterday afternoon and she's so trying to make me feel better and is insisting on laying right on me.

She's also been a good girl all day and using her pads even after dinner but I'm not letting up on that step position until she is good for at least a week or more.

smyrfette · 02-23-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieusa

Wishing you luck. I've had lots of good luck with the bells. At first, they usually ring them all of the time, but it will eventually become just when they want out. You just have to have lots of patience.

I will have to see if I can get her to ring a bell that would be soooo cute

yorkietalkjilly · 02-23-2011, 02:58 PM

Well, even good mommas are allowed some down time and some well-deserved time off. If I have to move into an apartment or get to the point I can't take Tibbe out, I will use the pee pads as they are a Godsend over newspaper and the potty trays and apparatuses seem worth a hard look, too. Hope you feel better soon and don't you feel blessed to have your little furball no matter how hard it gets at times? They are such a blessing.

smyrfette · 02-23-2011, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Well, even good mommas are allowed some down time and some well-deserved time off. If I have to move into an apartment or get to the point I can't take Tibbe out, I will use the pee pads as they are a Godsend over newspaper and the potty trays and apparatuses seem worth a hard look, too. Hope you feel better soon and don't you feel blessed to have your little furball no matter how hard it gets at times? They are such a blessing.

I sure do which is why I hit rock bottom again when I lost my binky at 11.5

she was with me the 4 years my hubby fought his cancer and after he passed she was my rock and my constant companion.

I keep saying she had a paw in me getting my rescue so quick.

we both needed each other to heal.

Those potty pad trays are wonderful but shop around even on ebay for the best price even savannah prefers the large one for bigger dogs that holds larger pads or two small

02-22-2011, 05:18 PM	#16
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 21,173	That's a really cute story. They are smart. A person learns that you can talk to them and they understand a lot more than anyone else would believe! __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

02-22-2011, 05:31 PM	#17
rentfrog YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MO Posts: 432	Isn't that the truth!! Yorkies are almost too smart. Preston is almost spooky in how intently he watches you and pays attention to what you say or are doing!! People tell me all the time that he almost looks "too human". When my daughter has friends over, he will walk to her bedroom door and stand and stare at them for a few minutes like he is saying "you better be good!" Sometimes he will take his toys outside, and forget them when he comes back in. We look out in the yard and see them, and call him and tell him he left his toy outside, he will go to the door and wait for us to open it, then go out, pick it up and bring it back in. ROFL __________________ Preston and Paisley have stolen my

02-22-2011, 06:07 PM	#20
joekhoo Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Selangor, Malaysia Posts: 37	Cute and interesting story. I just had mine for a month and I'm still figuring out how to potty train him. At times he will pee on the wee-pad, at times he will just pee 2 inch away from the wee-pad (yea...why not make it 1 inch ya?). But when he poo, it's like a walking timebomb. It can drop any second and fast!! I did try to bring him to the toilet after meal or study his trend, roughly what time he needs to poo but that never work. He will always sit on the floor and stare at me blankly...at times we can end up staring at each other for 10 mins then he lie down and sleep....I'm like OMG....just POOO ok... . Best of all, this always happen in the morning before I go to work. Imagine that, I purposely force myself to wake up early just to have more time for him to poo and he just fall asleep right in front of me... Anyways, I'm not giving up. I'm still reading on how to potty train and try out any possibility until I found one that works for him and me... Let's fight this battle together..LuluB.... (high-5)

02-23-2011, 01:09 PM	#25
BlondeLocks Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 234	I take Kody out about every 1/2hr. to 1hr. He doesn't give me a sign as to when he has to go. But each time I take him out put to "potty" he always pees - even if you don't really have to, he still will. I know in the morning has he has to pee/poop and in the afternoon he usually poops as well. Now evening time, can be iffy with poop, mostly it's just twice a day. Pee all day long. I just purchased the training bells to see if they will help with a signal to go out potty. He was scared of the bells yesterday when I first hung them, now he's warmed up to them a little. I'm still in training mode and from what I'm reading I still have long way to go. __________________ "Kody"

02-22-2011, 05:45 PM	#18
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Oh, Lord, my Tibbe was 9 months old when I got him and had lived all his little life in a HORRIBLE crate! He knew nothing but pottying in his crate and refused to go anywhere except in his crate. I took that little guy out every 15 minutes after I got him home, exhulted and "treated" every squat and before long, the lure of outside smells, other dogs odors in the area, leaving his mark and his learned love of a clean crate began to work magic. I quit the "treataing" but continued the praising. At 14 months, I quit the crate entirely and just watched him like a hawk. I would crate him when I had to be away from the house for a while until at 1 1/2 years he had his last "accident" in the house, having visited the living room rug in the middle of the night. Now he is 3 years and perfectly clean in the house. When I think back about that first 2 months of running outside every 15 minutes until he began to learn where he liked to potty best, I grow weak with gratitude that his little brain eventually got it. I couldn't go through that again for anything but boy, did the hard work pay off with this little guy. He much prefers going outside and will NOT go in the house for anything. I leave pee pads down when I have to go on errands, etc., but he will not use them - he just holds it for outside. I wish he would use the pads when I'm away but he is so fastidious he will not. When at the vet, he will not go in the crate there either they tell me. So, stick with your little guy's training and eventually the dog will begin to learn that outside is where all the smells are and that that is the absolutely best place to do one's business. Plus, it leaves all their own lovely smells to compete with all those neighborhood dog's smells wafting about the air and I think that is what they want - to leave their mark outside where other dogs can sent their odors. From what I understand, they can smell other dogs' scents from yards away! And my little guy doesn't even raise his leg to mark on a tree - he just squats like a girl dog but he seems to really enjoy that he has added to the neighborhood "air quality" and he very merrily runs in the house when done as if to say "let them deal with that!" - so proud of himself. So stick with your hard work and give your stubborn little baby time to learn where the most rewarding place to do one's business is - OUTSIDE where all the good smells are!

02-22-2011, 06:27 PM	#21
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	If you have ready access to outside and are up to it, taking them outside literally every 15 minutes begins to imprint them once they are outside, get the urge and do it out there. There is their scent out there with all the others. Just give them hope they will get to reinforce that whole episode by repeating if frequently and soon they begin to associate mealtime with outside right after. Drinking water with outside right after. Tugowar with outside right after. Naptime with outside right after. Excitement of any kind with outside right after. Pretty soon when outside after one of those episodes, they get the urge, go and after enough repetitions, it all begins to get associated in their brain and that's the way it should be from then on in their minds. It is SUCH a hassle though while in the midst of that intense a training scheule and one has got to give oneself some candy or shopping rewards for such sainthood of sticking to that strict schedule but before long your Yorkie is habituated and once a Yorkie is habituated - it's written in STONE in his mind! To this day after my Tibbe eats he still looks to me to take him outside! I kindly tell him "not right now" because I know he really doesn't need to go potty and that it's usually more than 2 hrs or more after he eats now before he needs to really "go" but he's still so associating his initial training of outside right after eating that he asks after every meal. I learned after he grew up that he really can't go right after eating and so eventually stopped taking him out and started asking him to wait until the urge and not the meal prompts him. Once, they were one and the same - he ate and he needed to go. Now, after a couple of hours after mealtime, he asks again but this time with urgency in his look and attitude and out he goes into the back yard. No matter how ragged you get, stick with a strick schedule and habituate your doggie. Once they prefer going outside, you can then slack off and wait until the actual urge to go in prompting them to look to you to get them outside and it all gets relaxed and casual and it is no big deal. However, my first fews weeks of having Tibbe still give me nightmares regarding that schedule!!!! Well worth it? A lifetime of a dog that is clean in the house.

02-23-2011, 04:42 AM	#22
smyrfette Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: columbus ohio Posts: 202	Its amazing what a little love and dedication will do for them. Sad he lived in his crate like that like my savannah did. I didn't even own a crate when I brought her home and figured I'd be dealing with potty mistakes She is doing well for being 4 years old and this lady did let them out of the crates to potty on the pad once in a while. I have flooring everywhere so I'm lucky and I did have to remove my hall runner for now I know she poops after she eats in the morning so this morning like a good mama...I sat on the stair step in my hall and drank my coffee until she looked at me and decided I guess ...I should go near the back door and use that potty pad...not the floor near the front door. I can't put a pad there and it might have something to do with her pad used to be near a similar door but we couldn't use our garage or the front door if I put one there. I have faith and thanks for your story it helped me because she just started doing this a few days ago after having her almost 4 weeks.

02-23-2011, 11:34 AM	#24
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	What a good momma you are - drinking your coffee while you watch her and train. Stick with it and your rewards the rest of your years together will be much easier. Aren't they so worth all they put us through, though? It is amazing how all the work we do gets lost in time amidst all the fun, laughter, cuddling, romping and kisses.

02-23-2011, 02:58 PM	#29
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Well, even good mommas are allowed some down time and some well-deserved time off. If I have to move into an apartment or get to the point I can't take Tibbe out, I will use the pee pads as they are a Godsend over newspaper and the potty trays and apparatuses seem worth a hard look, too. Hope you feel better soon and don't you feel blessed to have your little furball no matter how hard it gets at times? They are such a blessing.