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cheryl000 · 11-08-2005, 08:20 PM

Some people say CKC will register any dog and they accept breeds such as "yorkiepoos" etc, unlike AKC.
Since you are unsure about breeding let me post sometimething I had replied to someone else on a different website. The part I think you should read the most is in bold. That is what changed my mind about breeding. I just look into Brandy's eyes and I would feel sooo guilty if anything ever happened. I know you love your yorkiebaby too as so many others on this site do. I know it might sound silly, but sometimes I look at her and I wonder what I would do if she were gone. Good luck to you and your little girl.

original post:
I am not selling my dog.

Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and
he's fixed.

I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point.
--- my post__

I guess my response to you is another question. Why do you want to breed her? If money is the number one reason, then it's not a very good one. There is alot of money involved in breeding dogs to do it right and you have to know alot about them. First of all, there is no dispute that dogs live longer, happier lives if they are sprayed.
One of the first costs is to get your dog tested for congenital defects. In California, if it is found that you breed anyways and sold a puppy with one such as a hernia, the buyer can sue you for a full refund or keep for 75% refund and getting reimburst for vet bills not exceeding 150% the value of the dog. Breeding dogs is not a huge profit. To break even you would have to have at least 12 puppies and I have news for you, small dogs have small litters. Are you prepared to put your dog's life at risk for your own financial gain? How guilty would you feel rushing her to the emergency room vet at night for a c-section and lose her, all of her pups and still have to pay hundreds in vet bills?
true costs of welping:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html
puppy lemon law
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html more about breeding: http://www.midwestigrescue.com/breed.html

whispersmom2 · 11-08-2005, 09:30 PM

To me, the registry is not an issue. My concern is the uncertainty of her health history among other ancestry issues. Even though she has ch. in her background, I would ask questions about why a breeder of champions would sell to a supplier of pet store puppies? I would say to have your female checked for all health problems, consider the possibilities of problems with her and the fact that she can be endangered, financial concerns if all is lost and several other things. If you have done all of the research and still want to breed, then you can say that you know what you are doing..

bubbles4blossom · 11-09-2005, 05:07 AM

Just wondering YORKYFROMOHIO where in Ohio are you from?I just know there are people out there that only want pets not to breed.They will understandably go for cheaper.I have a male that i never received the papers for and he was a steal at $500.00.I am also looking for a baby/breeding Neo for a pup.So i can have a playmate for Neo.If i dont find someone to breed with i am going to buy one in feb.or march.

Heather

bubbles4blossom · 11-09-2005, 05:08 AM

Oh ya i forgot to add i am from Liberty Center Ohio.

Heather

GurleyGirl · 11-09-2005, 07:48 AM

If the mom is APR registered, the pups can be registered APR. The pups will sell, not everyone has to have an AKC puppy. Good luck.

crystalsmom · 11-09-2005, 08:01 AM

akc reg. assures that two purebred yorkies were bred. I would want that
but saying that it doesn't mean anything about the quality of the litter, it's
just your chances are better.akc also is very careful in protecting the breeds.

BamaFan121s · 11-09-2005, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

akc reg. assures that two purebred yorkies were bred. I would want that
but saying that it doesn't mean anything about the quality of the litter, it's
just your chances are better.akc also is very careful in protecting the breeds.

Well, technically, AKA reg can't "assure" anything. It means that the breeder claims two purbred yorkies were bred...doesn't mean the daddy is who the breeder claims the daddy to be. And please, no lectures about 'they'll pull your breeder rights' or 'they can show up at your house at any time.' Believe me, I am well aware of that. I know they have stricter guidelines, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible for dishonest breeders to slip through and pull one over on them. Yes, the AKC is more strict about protecting the purity of the breed, but the AKC isn't the one doing the actual breeding now, are they? Point in case, regardless of what kennel club they're registered with, you can never be 100% sure that you are getting what the breeder claims the dog to be.

suz · 11-09-2005, 09:04 AM

I wrote to the AKC and asked them this same question. Here is the reply they sent me:

Unfortunately, you will be unable to register your dog with the American
Kennel Club.

Your dog would have to come from two AKC registered parents and come from an
AKC registered litter in order to be registered with the American Kennel Club.

Thank you and have a nice day.

If a reply is necessary, please include all previous correspondence.

Shelia Badger
919-233-9767

I just bought a puppy and had the same problem. After I called the CKC, they told me that the puppy could be CKC registered, because BOTH parents were CKC registered. The CKC is an "open" registry and accepts most other registries, but that seeing as how the AKC was a "closed registry", they did not. The AKC is an older, more established registry. More people have heard of the AKC. This is why the AKC is the more acceptable registry. Yes, peolpe will pay more money for a pup that is AKC registered And when you are trying to sell a pup, it's always the first thing they ask you. If you are trying to breed for quality, or for showing, it is the more "desireable" registry. But, don't ever let people call your little guys "trash". Even joking!! Some of the people want a "purebred" just to be able to say they have one.
Suz

suz · 11-09-2005, 09:18 AM

Cher1000: WHAT???

Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and
he's fixed.

I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point.

The first part of your post, it said that "I am not selling my puppy!" THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!! If, in fact, this person is trying to breed a female pomerian to a male chihuahua that is fixed, I think she/he has a much more difficult problem!!
Suz

crystalsmom · 11-09-2005, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Well, technically, AKA reg can't "assure" anything. It means that the breeder claims two purbred yorkies were bred...doesn't mean the daddy is who the breeder claims the daddy to be. And please, no lectures about 'they'll pull your breeder rights' or 'they can show up at your house at any time.' Believe me, I am well aware of that. I know they have stricter guidelines, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible for dishonest breeders to slip through and pull one over on them. Yes, the AKC is more strict about protecting the purity of the breed, but the AKC isn't the one doing the actual breeding now, are they? Point in case, regardless of what kennel club they're registered with, you can never be 100% sure that you are getting what the breeder claims the dog to be.

You said AKA but did you mean AKC. They catch up on the people who fudge their
paperwork and then they go on thee LIST

cheryl000 · 11-09-2005, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suz

Cher1000: WHAT???

Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and
he's fixed.

I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point.

The first part of your post, it said that "I am not selling my puppy!" THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!! If, in fact, this person is trying to breed a female pomerian to a male chihuahua that is fixed, I think she/he has a much more difficult problem!!
Suz

LOL. I was hoping she didn't mean that she wanted to breed them together. The person never responded back to me. I don't know how they would do that!

BamaFan121s · 11-09-2005, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

You said AKA but did you mean AKC. They catch up on the people who fudge their
paperwork and then they go on thee LIST

Yeah, I meant AKC, sorry...my fingers get tied sometimes.

I am sure that they do catch things down the road, please don't think I am trying to discredit you because I agree, but I have to ask, how do they catch up on it? When someone reports it to them if they suspect? I know from owning AKC dogs in the past that they do not send the AKC police to your house to see what the pup ended up looking like. So how do they catch you? Only if it's reported, right? OK, well what about those who don't report it? Those cases are never addressed, right? OK, well who's to say those undiscovered pups that slipped through the system won't go on to be parents of AKC dogs?
I am just trying to make a point that it is possible to have registered, not-really-purebred-dogs even with the AKC. Here and elsewhere, I read too much "Only buy an AKC dog because then you KNOW it's purebred" because fact of the matter is, no, you don't know that.

crystalsmom · 11-09-2005, 09:46 AM

No, don't worry abit about discrediting me. I think we should question and your
comments are correct. I also feel when they are dealing with so many breeders
it's hard to keep all records perfect and thats where we do agree but if I were
a betting person I would go with the akc for trying....but I may be wrong. I think
that might be a good question to ask the akc "How do we catch these people"
There is a published list of people who have done this. I know people who don't
give you papers or try to talk you out of papers are in some cases trying to keep
the akc from knowing how many litters they are having a year. I totally agree
there is alot of dishonesty in the dog world and that is why we all have to be
careful.

BamaFan121s · 11-09-2005, 10:05 AM

crystalsmom...
Glad you understand where I am coming from. I have contacted the CKC via email to have them clariy some of the allegations I have heard in the past against them. I plan to do the same with the AKC. Just to give them both the opportunity to respond with their 'official' stand on things and procedures...I think it will be nothing but beneficial for us to all know what their official way of dealing with things are...couldn't hurt, right?

crystalsmom · 11-09-2005, 10:36 AM

right and to add to that. The AKC Gazette Magazine is one you can find in your
library and it comes out monthly. In the back they have a list of people with the
area they breed ( city and state) and what they have done wrong, fines etc. It is
very interesting reading. I called AKC about something this morning that had to
do with puppy mills and I will be anxious to hear what they say about this. Good
for you.

11-08-2005, 08:20 PM	#16
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	breeding Some people say CKC will register any dog and they accept breeds such as "yorkiepoos" etc, unlike AKC. Since you are unsure about breeding let me post sometimething I had replied to someone else on a different website. The part I think you should read the most is in bold. That is what changed my mind about breeding. I just look into Brandy's eyes and I would feel sooo guilty if anything ever happened. I know you love your yorkiebaby too as so many others on this site do. I know it might sound silly, but sometimes I look at her and I wonder what I would do if she were gone. Good luck to you and your little girl. original post: I am not selling my dog. Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and he's fixed. I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point. --- my post__ I guess my response to you is another question. Why do you want to breed her? If money is the number one reason, then it's not a very good one. There is alot of money involved in breeding dogs to do it right and you have to know alot about them. First of all, there is no dispute that dogs live longer, happier lives if they are sprayed. One of the first costs is to get your dog tested for congenital defects. In California, if it is found that you breed anyways and sold a puppy with one such as a hernia, the buyer can sue you for a full refund or keep for 75% refund and getting reimburst for vet bills not exceeding 150% the value of the dog. Breeding dogs is not a huge profit. To break even you would have to have at least 12 puppies and I have news for you, small dogs have small litters. Are you prepared to put your dog's life at risk for your own financial gain? How guilty would you feel rushing her to the emergency room vet at night for a c-section and lose her, all of her pups and still have to pay hundreds in vet bills? true costs of welping: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html puppy lemon law http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html more about breeding: http://www.midwestigrescue.com/breed.html

11-09-2005, 07:48 AM	#20
GurleyGirl YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott City, Missouri Posts: 1,879	If the mom is APR registered, the pups can be registered APR. The pups will sell, not everyone has to have an AKC puppy. Good luck. __________________ Joanne Gurley's Yorkies

11-09-2005, 08:01 AM	#21
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	akc akc reg. assures that two purebred yorkies were bred. I would want that but saying that it doesn't mean anything about the quality of the litter, it's just your chances are better.akc also is very careful in protecting the breeds. __________________

11-09-2005, 09:04 AM	#23
suz Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 741	I wrote to the AKC and asked them this same question. Here is the reply they sent me: Unfortunately, you will be unable to register your dog with the American Kennel Club. Your dog would have to come from two AKC registered parents and come from an AKC registered litter in order to be registered with the American Kennel Club. Thank you and have a nice day. If a reply is necessary, please include all previous correspondence. Shelia Badger 919-233-9767 I just bought a puppy and had the same problem. After I called the CKC, they told me that the puppy could be CKC registered, because BOTH parents were CKC registered. The CKC is an "open" registry and accepts most other registries, but that seeing as how the AKC was a "closed registry", they did not. The AKC is an older, more established registry. More people have heard of the AKC. This is why the AKC is the more acceptable registry. Yes, peolpe will pay more money for a pup that is AKC registered And when you are trying to sell a pup, it's always the first thing they ask you. If you are trying to breed for quality, or for showing, it is the more "desireable" registry. But, don't ever let people call your little guys "trash". Even joking!! Some of the people want a "purebred" just to be able to say they have one. Suz __________________ Suz The more people I meet... The more I love my dogs!!!

11-09-2005, 09:18 AM	#24
suz Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 741	Cher1000: WHAT??? Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and he's fixed. I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point. The first part of your post, it said that "I am not selling my puppy!" THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!! If, in fact, this person is trying to breed a female pomerian to a male chihuahua that is fixed, I think she/he has a much more difficult problem!! Suz __________________ Suz The more people I meet... The more I love my dogs!!!

11-08-2005, 09:30 PM	#17
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	To me, the registry is not an issue. My concern is the uncertainty of her health history among other ancestry issues. Even though she has ch. in her background, I would ask questions about why a breeder of champions would sell to a supplier of pet store puppies? I would say to have your female checked for all health problems, consider the possibilities of problems with her and the fact that she can be endangered, financial concerns if all is lost and several other things. If you have done all of the research and still want to breed, then you can say that you know what you are doing..

11-09-2005, 05:07 AM	#18
bubbles4blossom YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Liberty Center Ohio Posts: 252	Just wondering YORKYFROMOHIO where in Ohio are you from?I just know there are people out there that only want pets not to breed.They will understandably go for cheaper.I have a male that i never received the papers for and he was a steal at $500.00.I am also looking for a baby/breeding Neo for a pup.So i can have a playmate for Neo.If i dont find someone to breed with i am going to buy one in feb.or march. Heather

11-09-2005, 05:08 AM	#19
bubbles4blossom YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Liberty Center Ohio Posts: 252	Oh ya i forgot to add i am from Liberty Center Ohio. Heather

11-09-2005, 09:46 AM	#28
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	No, don't worry abit about discrediting me. I think we should question and your comments are correct. I also feel when they are dealing with so many breeders it's hard to keep all records perfect and thats where we do agree but if I were a betting person I would go with the akc for trying....but I may be wrong. I think that might be a good question to ask the akc "How do we catch these people" There is a published list of people who have done this. I know people who don't give you papers or try to talk you out of papers are in some cases trying to keep the akc from knowing how many litters they are having a year. I totally agree there is alot of dishonesty in the dog world and that is why we all have to be careful. __________________

11-09-2005, 10:05 AM	#29
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	crystalsmom... Glad you understand where I am coming from. I have contacted the CKC via email to have them clariy some of the allegations I have heard in the past against them. I plan to do the same with the AKC. Just to give them both the opportunity to respond with their 'official' stand on things and procedures...I think it will be nothing but beneficial for us to all know what their official way of dealing with things are...couldn't hurt, right?

11-09-2005, 10:36 AM	#30
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	right and to add to that. The AKC Gazette Magazine is one you can find in your library and it comes out monthly. In the back they have a list of people with the area they breed ( city and state) and what they have done wrong, fines etc. It is very interesting reading. I called AKC about something this morning that had to do with puppy mills and I will be anxious to hear what they say about this. Good for you. __________________