Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3367395)

as far as I'm aware not according to the YTCA they aren't (correct me if i'm wrong here)

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3367274)

You know, I asked that very same question months ago, and now I have a following that I do not care for! For many, it is about the money they were getting. Asking $5,000-7,000 for a pup. All about the money. I would rather go down to a local shelter and adopt a pup.

Originally Posted by DamSweet (Post 3367309)

I don't normally post on these threads because I don't have any facts to post - except for this one.
When I decided to look for a Biewer I found the prices to be in the same ball-park as the Yorkies. Yes - you'll find some totally off the charts, as I found with a $14800 Yorkie on a website yesterday.
I got Greta from a YT member who brought her from Germany. She did not breed her but was intending on using her in her breeding program. She found out that Greta had a slight LP in one of her knees (my vet says is almost non-existant) and decided to re-home her. She was spayed before she came to me - was up to date on all her shots and with travel expenses (she was flown to me with a courrior cross country). If you remove the cost of the spay and the travel expenses I paid less for her than I did for Bridget who was a rescue who came to me without papers( which makes no difference to me ) and I had to have her spayed. I was sent Gretas pedigrees and she was micro-chipped. The lady who trusted her to me has been there for me every step of the way and we talk at least a few times a month. Greta was a year old when I got her and has fit into my family beautifully. She is an amazing little addition. I don't know if it's the Biewer trait - but she is just the most laid-back, undemanding little baby. She and Bridget compliment each others personalities. She is no better or worse than Bridget - just different. Regardless of what everyones opinions are - I would get another in a heartbeat!

Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3367509)

Damsweet: "She" seems like a very responsible breeder. Wish everyone was like how she sounds.
Biewers: I thought this-if Biewers were 'controlled' then when getting one of them should they not have a specific value that represents their 'control' or is everyone talking pet prices here, which would imply to me still being controlled with spay/neuter? Hmmmm historically I think that didn't happen though.
Partis: Same for Parti's, they were not to be used for breeding just pets right-but later bred to encourage the genes dominance then people pay for "rare" pets no? Too bad they are not the rarity they once were to warrant the high prices?
Albinos: I'm just sayin' I wonder how much one of those Albino Yorkies would go for anyone every seen one or the price on it-would it be petted out (meaning should be spay/neuter), sold as a rare genetic anomaly representative (highly priced), or used by someone to create solid white Yorkies (bred)? Oh boy I'm not trying to throw this thread off course, so please food for thought to everyone on that comment (I just couldn't share it with Elvie-roo alone, my Parti Yorkie).

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3367348)

He did not say the genetic make up is asasBBCCDDEEGGmmSStt. He said it likely is. Here is what he says in his book.

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom (Post 3367464)

Sorry, this is off topic but is that a presa in your picture? We had a brindle presa, I sure miss her!!

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3367339)

I believe I paid around $1500.00 for Carlo 11 years ago. You can find them anywhere from $1000 to $2500 from a good breeder. If you want to pay $5,000 you can! The purchase price is the cheap part! His Medical bills in the last 8 months are more than $20,000. Many Parti breeders are the ones I have seen that want the money. No idea what a Biewers is, but they are not Yorkies, correct? I had best get going before my stalker comes out wanting to report me.

Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3367625)

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3367632)

Quit edging him on....we're trying to reform him.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3367632)

Quit edging him on....we're trying to reform him.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3367346)

Joan Gordon is considered a matriach and contributed much to the Yorkieshire Terrier. She and her sister, Janet Bennett traveled extensively, studying the breed and meeting with Yorkshire Terrier Kennel owners. The co-authored The Complete Yorkshire Terrier, first published in 1976. They together with several others, i.e Goldie Stone, established the YTCA in 1954

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367680)

Thanks! You actually answered 2 of my questions in one post. It makes it easy for us that don't know the who's who of the yorkie world to understand a post like that. I'm going to see if I can find that book.

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367704)

I have been looking for a book to have to read at lunch time. I often eat by myself, and a book is excellent company. (says the nerd :p)

Originally Posted by dinkyweil (Post 3367657)

This is a very interesting thread. I know zero to nothing about breeding, showing, etc.
So here is a question that may seem really dumb. I've looked at images of Biewers and Parti's and to my undiscerning eye, I see no difference. So what is it?

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367710)

Is it a pricey book? I see prices range from $15-$80

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3367207)

I don't know why this has to be rehashed over and over. Any information one might need is posted on my website or on the parti Yorkshire Terrier club website.
There is no way Linda Bush could trace who the culprit is for all the parti color dogs. Tri-color dogs were showing up in England long before they arrived in the U.S. because the yorkie originated there. As I posted part of the letter I received from Joan Gordon, I will post again for those who did not see it.
"Dear Ms Mullins
Thank you for your letter, I'm glad you enjoyed our books
I must say however that I'm always fascinated by the amount of misinformation that is placed on the computer and even more so when it becomes exaggerated. WE actually had exactly one tri-color puppy born in all the years we bred Yorkies. After my sister died I gave up breeding extensively as it was what we did together. Since Jans death in 1985. I have bred exactly 4 litters and I stopped breeding completely probably 9 or 10 years ago. I could go look it up but I know Katie and Nicky were the last 2 puppies born.
I have shown several dogs that I purchased from others since then.
Our one tri-color puppy was born Dec. 10, 1976 and was a single puppy. His sire was Wildweir Counterspy and his dam was Wildweir Stitch in Time.
His Recorded name Wildweir Triplicate. He was reg with AKC #: TB426843. This was a first litter for either of his parents. We had the bitch spayed and the male neutered and both were placed as pets. I had heard of Yorkies being born in England that were Tri's but "Trippy" was the only one we'd ever seen.
We kept him until he matured. He was born a white dog with black spots and developed his tan marking as he grew up. His black spots turned to blue-gray and his tan markings came out by the time he was around six months. His temperament was all yorkie and size was very typical around 5 1/2 to 6 lbs. His coat was not as wiry as a fox terrier but certainly not as silky as a yorkie. We placed him with friends who had tried to buy him earlier when he was 2 years old and he lived to be 12 years old.
I don't have a problem writing about our "Trippy" but since the others who bred mismarked dogs that I knew about are deceased, I don't believe I can comment on them. I can only hope that they seek the truth and not just rumors!
If they thought Trippy was not a yorkie, why did they register him with AKC.
She also states in her letter that the tri-color was imported into Germany from England. Other colors have always popped up in the yorkie. Joan stated that in the 1930's there was a breeder that was raising golds exclusively and AKC put a cease and desist on him.
The real truth is that they have always existed, No, they are not the standard, we all agree on that but that does not mean that others colors were never born.

The Wildweir dogs do not trace back to Streamglen kennels, She did not know why they got a tri color, it just happens.
In her book she did state that:" "It is not unusual to find small white marks on one or more toes or a fine white line in the lower fore jaw. These will not be visible as an adult. A large amount of white marks on the chest, paws, jaws, or skull, places a yorkie into a tri-color classification and it is very wise to guard against this possibility. Yorkshire terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to become the proper colors of the breed. They can be born all black: all tan: tan with black points; tri-color: black, white, and tan; all blue; bluish grey with tan points; and so remain or change to another shade of their newly born colors.

Joan in no way ever stated that partis were not born from 2 traditional color yorkies. What she does say is that these dogs are mismarked and should not be shown. That does does not constitute them being another breed or a mix.
Malcoms book does not anywhere mention a parti yorkie or a Biewer.

Parti yorkies can be born from 2 traditional yorkies, I don't know where you get your misinformation from. Joans "Trippy" was born from 2 regular yorkies.
There are enough books and references that say there were other colors, you cant go around and just pick and choose only the ones you want to believe.
I believe I have as good a source as there is by having it in writing from Joan Gordon herself. No she did not think the line should be carried on when a parti showed up as they were not standard and she refers to them as mismarked. Mismarked , Yes , but still a yorkshire terrier.
You can also go to the big thread mentioned earlier and it tells about the fox and the white suddenly showing up in it. You might want to read that.

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367260)

Who's Joan Gordon?

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367710)

Is it a pricey book? I see prices range from $15-$80

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3367710)

Is it a pricey book? I see prices range from $15-$80

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3367746)

Surely you are joking.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3367746)

Surely you are joking.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3367755)

No, go to amazon.com

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3367758)

i didn't know either until this thread so hold the sarcasm and realize we're not ALL into famous breeders and yorkie founders thanks! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3367758)

i didn't know either until this thread so hold the sarcasm and realize we're not ALL into famous breeders and yorkie founders thanks! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3367758)

i didn't know either until this thread so hold the sarcasm and realize we're not ALL into famous breeders and yorkie founders thanks! :rolleyes: