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KJLive 08-25-2010 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lizzieg (Post 3251274)
I didn't post anything about a pure Biewer, but I would assume that they are referring to a Biewer dam and a Biewer sire? There is a lot of controversy about breeding a Biewer to a Yorkie, or a Biewer to a Parti. There are pros and cons to each side of the argument. Breeding a Biewer to a Biewer focuses more on the appearance, and people in favor of "crossbreeding" (but they are all Yorkies) focus on improving the health.
If I may please, the breeders who breed Biewer to Biewer focus first and foremost on Health. I'm not quite sure if you were implying differently, but I wanted to clear that up. :)

bchgirl 08-25-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3251265)
Okay Pat, this is where I get confused. If those Biewer breeders want to be recognized and shown AKC, what 3 different breeds do they say make up the Biewer to create the new breed? Doesn't AKC require 3 different breeds, or am I mistaken? If that is the case and the original Biewers were supposed to be from two yorkies, I don't understand how they can claim it to be a new breed for AKC purposes?
No not necessarily. If a breed is recognized by a foreign registry that AKC recognizes...they can obtain admission into the akc's FSS program.

The American biewer vs German biewer "discusssion" is just talk. The dogs were imported from Germany...the vast majority of which are still in breeding programs...

lizzieg 08-25-2010 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KJLive (Post 3251292)
If I may please, the breeders who breed Biewer to Biewer focus first and foremost on Health. I'm not quite sure if you were implying differently, but I wanted to clear that up. :)
I wasn't implying that they didn't focus on health. I'm actually getting a Biewer soon, so I'm definitely not against Biewers, nor do I think that they are unhealthy. Mr. Biewer achieved the look of the Biewer by inbreeding, so some argue that a Biewer sire and dam will produce a less healthy pup than if it was paired with a Parti. Like I said above, there are pros and cons that are argued with each. The con that is frequently argued in breeding a Biewer to a Parti is that will dilute the gene pool. With proper health screens, MHO is that there would not be a major risk for health issues with breeding a Biewer to a Biewer. Never say never, but these dogs appeared in 1984. I'm certain that a responsible breeder would pair the two Biewers wisely with complementary traits to prevent any health issues.

jencar98 08-25-2010 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3251336)
No not necessarily. If a breed is recognized by a foreign registry that AKC recognizes...they can obtain admission into the akc's FSS program.

The American biewer vs German biewer "discusssion" is just talk. The dogs were imported from Germany...the vast majority of which are still in breeding programs...
Aha....I see, thank you Deb.

Jilleen 08-25-2010 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DamSweet (Post 3250794)
:yeahthat: I can't wait until Bridget is "civilized" enough to bring another baby into the house! ;)
Do they ever????

AprilLove 08-25-2010 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KJLive (Post 3251257)
Add two :):) for MK.
:D That's 3 smilies for MK!!!!! What do I win?? :p

bchgirl 08-25-2010 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 3251647)
:D That's 3 smilies for MK!!!!! What do I win?? :p
A new puppy!! :woof:

RachelandSadie 08-25-2010 05:03 PM
wow i'm learning so much i didn't know. i didn't realize they were different from the parti or tri colored yorkies. they sure are beautiful. that white and "blue" as you called it sure do set them off. i'm sure someday they will be shown in the AKC ring. i'm not a huge mixed breed fan, nor am i a huge fan of changing the standard of one dog breed to create another style, but in my opinion, the biewer is one of those instances in which cross breeding and trying something new went very well...they are stunning!

scrapindee 08-25-2010 07:47 PM
Another website to get additional information about the Biewers is:

Biewer Breed Club of America

There is many websites that will offer you good information and introduce you to the many breeders who show as well as breed their biewers.

kpstoybox 08-25-2010 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3251680)
wow i'm learning so much i didn't know. i didn't realize they were different from the parti or tri colored yorkies. they sure are beautiful. that white and "blue" as you called it sure do set them off. i'm sure someday they will be shown in the AKC ring. i'm not a huge mixed breed fan, nor am i a huge fan of changing the standard of one dog breed to create another style, but in my opinion, the biewer is one of those instances in which cross breeding and trying something new went very well...they are stunning!
I haven't read anyone in the "Biewer is not a yorkie" camp explain what makes a Biewer different from the parti yorkie besides their registration, their name, or the country they were developed in. When they were being imported left and right from Germany 3 or 4 years ago they were still considered yorkies. Right? :confused:
Just when did they "evolve" from being tri yorkies?

Also...why would the Biewer be given AKC breed registration status when there is already a tri yorkie that is AKC registered?

kjc 08-25-2010 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hazelzmibaybee (Post 3250946)
yes they definitely look to be the size of a yorkie. i am going to get one as my next dog! i have a feeling that finding one is going to be hard. i may have to travel to get one!
[quote=DamSweet;3251072]
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Originally Posted by Hazelzmibaybee (Post 3250946)
yes they definitely look to be the size of a yorkie. i am going to get one as my next dog! i have a feeling that finding one is going to be hard. i may have to travel to get one![/QUOTE]
me too.....travel far and probably sell a kidney for the money!
I got my Biewer from a breeder in PA. Many Biewer breeders on YT too.

Color differences: Biewers have all white legs, chest, belly, and white full tail; blue, gold, white on head (symetrically is best); black and white only on body: no gold/tan allowed. Standard adult weight: 7 lbs (last time I looked)

Makes mine a teapot! That's okay... more to love! And I didn't think I would ever say this: but I think she is smarter than my Yorkies.

Breezeaway 08-26-2010 03:00 AM
Better look at that standard again because I sure see alot with black tails with a white tip and several with white or half white heads.
You cannot control the piedbald gene.

YorkieRose 08-26-2010 03:30 AM
[quote=kjc;3251906]
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Originally Posted by DamSweet (Post 3251072)

I got my Biewer from a breeder in PA. Many Biewer breeders on YT too.

Color differences: Biewers have all white legs, chest, belly, and white full tail; blue, gold, white on head (symetrically is best); black and white only on body: no gold/tan allowed. Standard adult weight: 7 lbs (last time I looked)

Makes mine a teapot! That's okay... more to love! And I didn't think I would ever say this: but I think she is smarter than my Yorkies.
My question is off subject...I am curious as to why you use Shooters photo as your avatar..? Avatar pic's give the impression the Yorkies pictured are the members own dog/dogs..not really fair to the true owner, right?

DamSweet 08-26-2010 04:02 AM
[quote=YorkieRose;3251947]
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3251906)

My question is off subject...I am curious as to why you use Shooters photo as your avatar..? Avatar pic's give the impression the Yorkies pictured are the members own dog/dogs..not really fair to the true owner, right?
This is not my quote

DamSweet 08-26-2010 04:25 AM
[quote=YorkieRose;3251947]
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3251906)

My question is off subject...I am curious as to why you use Shooters photo as your avatar..? Avatar pic's give the impression the Yorkies pictured are the members own dog/dogs..not really fair to the true owner, right?
Sorry - maybe you weren't talking to me - I'm confused - Nothing out of the ordinary. I just got defensive - But I use my own Bridget as my avitar (I'm one proud mommy). I'm not even owned by a Biewer.......YET! ;)


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