Poppy is home!!!

[Hazelzmibaybee]

i'm so glad shes healthy!!! now lets keep our fingers crossed for Hazel ! ! !

[Rachael x]

Originally Posted by John Stelting

You need to get a car...... take the puppy back to the breeder...... and demand a full cash refund immediately or you will file a complaint with the local authorities that this breeder is not following proper rules in regard to age of puppies he/she is selling.....

You will have nothing but trouble with this puppy being sold at this age.


Of course you won't do this.............. you'll just complain when you have excessive vet bills.

Tell me where she has complained about vet bills? She hasnt because the vet said the pup was healthy.
I would love to know which kind of crystal ball you are using to predict the future of her puppy! Just because she has the puppy young does not guarentee that it will have lots of expensive vet bills and be nothing but trouble.
Plenty of people have problem dogs with expensive vet bills when they take them home 12 weeks +
In England its common for pups to go home at this age, but according to your crystal ball we must all have sick dogs who are nothing but bother to us no?

Furbutt came on here asking for advice on how to care for such a young pup. She is fully prepared with everything she needs for this pup which is more then can be said for some owners on YT.
If you cant or wont help her then why are you here?

EDIT: Just to say I dont condone the breeder giving the pup so young at all, but in England it is very common - this dosnt make it right though because we know its better for them to stay with their mum longer

[furbutt]

Originally Posted by John Stelting

You need to get a car...... take the puppy back to the breeder...... and demand a full cash refund immediately or you will file a complaint with the local authorities that this breeder is not following proper rules in regard to age of puppies he/she is selling.....

You will have nothing but trouble with this puppy being sold at this age.


Of course you won't do this.............. you'll just complain when you have excessive vet bills.

I would not complain about vet bills for Poppy as i understand that i could have taken her back to the breeder and demanded my money back but would that really be the best option for her... or for me? I thought about her before i thought about the money i had paid out on her. I feel like if i took Poppy back to the breeder she would only be sold on to someone else who does not have the help and support from the people here. I feel like she is in best hands with me, I have tried everything in my power to make sure Poppy is a happy healthy little puppy and the vet confirmed this today.

I do agree that the breeders are very wrong to let her go this early and i have made a complaint to the RSPCA and reported them. I hope to hear back from this soon and will update everyone on here.

As for the excessive vet bills, i maybe young buy i think ANYONE who has taken the responsibility in buying a puppy/dog needs to be aware that anything can go wrong to the best of the breeds out there and its always a factor that needs to be addressed before looking at getting a puppy. The what ''if'' how would be support ourselves during this if the vet bills did mount up. Thankfully i have a good job and would be able to support myself and cover my vet bills but for safety I will be using petplan to insure my little Poppy.

xxx

[Rachael x]

Of course she is better off with you.
I was in the same situation and didnt want to give my pup back to someone who would give her away so young, if they do that then how do you know they will care for her properly?
She is in the best place with you, you have everything you need for her.
John obviously hasnt bothered to read the thread.

[ls1smith]

I am just now seeing this thread and I am so glad to hear that Poppy is getting along so well. My first Yorkie came home at 6 weeks. At the time I had no idea that was too young. She weighed 1.8 lbs at the time. She is now 14 years old! Hang in there. It sounds like Poppy is going to fine with all of the wonderful love and attention you are giving her. Keep posting, I look forward to following her progress!

[furbutt]

Originally Posted by Rachael x

Of course she is better off with you.
I was in the same situation and didnt want to give my pup back to someone who would give her away so young, if they do that then how do you know they will care for her properly?
She is in the best place with you, you have everything you need for her.
John obviously hasnt bothered to read the thread.

Thank you hun

Poppy has just ate more food on her own and been playing around the livingroom. She seems full of beans today I am just so happy after the vet visit i cant stop smiling.

OH and i forgot to mention that last night she did a poop weird that i am so happy about a poop haha! xxx

[Rachael x]

LOL glad to hear she is doing well
Get some more photos up!

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by John Stelting

You need to get a car...... take the puppy back to the breeder...... and demand a full cash refund immediately or you will file a complaint with the local authorities that this breeder is not following proper rules in regard to age of puppies he/she is selling.....

You will have nothing but trouble with this puppy being sold at this age.


Of course you won't do this.............. you'll just complain when you have excessive vet bills.

How dare you assume things you don't know! Natasha has never complained about the money - only that she didn't have the fee for the emergency charge after spending over £800 in a couple of days on this puppy. Sure, she takes Poppy back to the breeder to be resold to someone who may not be as responsible as Natasha.

Just because there are problems at this moment because of the puppys age is no indication that there will be future problems.
FYI I took in a 2 week old Lhasa puppy from a breeder that the breeder told me probably wasn't going to live through the night, the mother was ignoring her and had several puppies and not enough milk for them all. I begged to take the Lhasa home with me to see what I could do for it. The breeder reluctantly agreed. I had the vet come to my home, he didn't think the puppy was going to make it. I nursed that puppy for over a week, sitting up at night with her, feeding her with a syringe.
The puppy lived to be 14 years old and the only vet bills I had after the initial care were her check ups and shots.
Obviously you would have told me that I would have nothing but trouble with her and should have left her with the breeder to die!

While I am sure Natasha welcomes all advice on here, I am sure yours is advice she should ignore.

[JDS]

Originally Posted by Rachael x

Tell me where she has complained about vet bills? She hasnt because the vet said the pup was healthy.
I would love to know which kind of crystal ball you are using to predict the future of her puppy! Just because she has the puppy young does not guarentee that it will have lots of expensive vet bills and be nothing but trouble.
Plenty of people have problem dogs with expensive vet bills when they take them home 12 weeks +
In England its common for pups to go home at this age, but according to your crystal ball we must all have sick dogs who are nothing but bother to us no?

Furbutt came on here asking for advice on how to care for such a young pup. She is fully prepared with everything she needs for this pup which is more then can be said for some owners on YT.
If you cant or wont help her then why are you here?

EDIT: Just to say I dont condone the breeder giving the pup so young at all, but in England it is very common - this dosnt make it right though because we know its better for them to stay with their mum longer

I thought someone posted earlier that is was actually illegal to sell pups at 5 weeks old. Not trying to start something, I'm seriously curious. I do not think it should be "usual" for pups of any breed to leave their mom at 5 weeks old.

It sounds like Poppy is adjusting & doing well. Eating more is a great sign!

[Rachael x]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

How dare you assume things you don't know! Natasha has never complained about the money - only that she didn't have the fee for the emergency charge after spending over £800 in a couple of days on this puppy. Sure, she takes Poppy back to the breeder to be resold to someone who may not be as responsible as Natasha.

Just because there are problems at this moment because of the puppys age is no indication that there will be future problems.
FYI I took in a 2 week old Lhasa puppy from a breeder that the breeder told me probably wasn't going to live through the night, the mother was ignoring her and had several puppies and not enough milk for them all. I begged to take the Lhasa home with me to see what I could do for it. The breeder reluctantly agreed. I had the vet come to my home, he didn't think the puppy was going to make it. I nursed that puppy for over a week, sitting up at night with her, feeding her with a syringe.
The puppy lived to be 14 years old and the only vet bills I had after the initial care were her check ups and shots.
Obviously you would have told me that I would have nothing but trouble with her and should have left her with the breeder to die!

While I am sure Natasha welcomes all advice on here, I am sure yours is advice she should ignore.

[Rachael x]

Originally Posted by JDS

I thought someone posted earlier that is was actually illegal to sell pups at 5 weeks old. Not trying to start something, I'm seriously curious. I do not think it should be "usual" for pups of any breed to leave their mom at 5 weeks old.

It sounds like Poppy is adjusting & doing well. Eating more is a great sign!

Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act 1999
Breeders who breed four or more litters per year must be licensed by their local authority. Breeders with fewer litters must also be licensed if they are carrying out a business of breeding dogs for sale.
Licensed breeders must:
a) Not mate a bitch less than 12 months old.
b) Not whelp more than six litters from a bitch.
c) Not whelp two litters within a 12 month period from the same bitch.
d) Keep accurate records.
e) Not sell a puppy until it is at least eight weeks of age, other than to a keeper of a licensed pet shop
or Scottish rearing establishment.

This is from the KC website.. Thing is though no all breeders here are licensed.
Some are hobby breeders who just dont bother to get a license or some litters are 'acidental'
This is where it comes common (usually 6 weeks more then 5).
Over here pups are weaned at about 4 weeks and once they are eating dog food they go to new homes, I know its not right and I agree it shouldnt be common but unfortunatley it is.

EDIT: Oh and just to answer your origional question yes it is illegal but unfortunatley still happends.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by JDS

I thought someone posted earlier that is was actually illegal to sell pups at 5 weeks old. Not trying to start something, I'm seriously curious. I do not think it should be "usual" for pups of any breed to leave their mom at 5 weeks old.

It sounds like Poppy is adjusting & doing well. Eating more is a great sign!

Yes, it is in violation of the Animal Welfare Act - unfortunately a lot of BYB's don't even know about the Act, or just chose to ignore it.

[gemy]

Glad the vet visit went AOK and you are settling in with your new pup.

You sound much more relaxed today. Have a fun day

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Yes, it is in violation of the Animal Welfare Act - unfortunately a lot of BYB's don't even know about the Act, or just chose to ignore it.

Unless puppy purchasers report it, these breeders will continue to operate outside the law.

The KC has several other more stringent laws being put into place.

[EarthAngel]

Just wanted to say I am happy to hear Poppy is eating and has had a clean bill of health! She is with Natasha who to me is the best Mom she can have. Try not to listen to people who come onto a post and voice negative things. If or when you want to report the breeder is your business. I am thrilled Poppy is doing so well and for you too. Bet you are having a wonderful time with her now that she is eating, drinking and playing!!

Dyan