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2Morkies 07-13-2010 08:12 PM
I wonder the same thing. I had mine fixed as soon as my Vet would do the surgery...which was at 6 mos. I have brother and sister Morkies. The last thing I'd want is a litter of "Inbred F2 Morkies." How could I even advertise that??

Cares4Dogs 07-13-2010 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Morkies (Post 3198672)
I wonder the same thing. I had mine fixed as soon as my Vet would do the surgery...which was at 6 mos. I have brother and sister Morkies. The last thing I'd want is a litter of "Inbred F2 Morkies." How could I even advertise that??
"rare" puppies for sale..."inbreforkies" hahahaha :D

Cares4Dogs 07-13-2010 09:46 PM
I've been researching and researching to no end about responsible breeding practices. I've learned sooo much but I still feel that I need to re-read and re-research to refresh...etc. It terrifies me the thought of having a litter with birth defects and I'd end up raising them all because thats my responsibility because thats what "I" created. But do thoughtless BYB worry about this?? Does the thought even cross their minds?? probably not. They cant afford a spay/neuter or C-section or proper vet care, but they think they could handle a sick puppy?? or a sick momma??

I think YT should put a sticky about the subject in every section of YT so that everyone has an opportunity to see it on this forum. Granted-not everyone will read it...but it would be easily seen for anyone skimming the forums.

I realize nobody is perfect but to come to YT looking for help for a dog thats whelping pups or a few days from it--thats even stupider!!! Most of us on YT know exactly where babies come from and how to prevent it if we really dont want babies.

Rachael x 07-14-2010 02:38 AM
Well said!

BamaFan121s 07-14-2010 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zoesmybaby (Post 3198647)
no. it's not an excuse to get sympathy..........there are ppl behind the posts.
And there are dogs who suffer as a result of their carelessness. Given the person behind the post vs the dog...I'm going to side with the dog.

maggiesmom_2007 07-14-2010 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs (Post 3198720)
I've been researching and researching to no end about responsible breeding practices. I've learned sooo much but I still feel that I need to re-read and re-research to refresh...etc. It terrifies me the thought of having a litter with birth defects and I'd end up raising them all because thats my responsibility because thats what "I" created. But do thoughtless BYB worry about this?? Does the thought even cross their minds?? probably not. They cant afford a spay/neuter or C-section or proper vet care, but they think they could handle a sick puppy?? or a sick momma??

I think YT should put a sticky about the subject in every section of YT so that everyone has an opportunity to see it on this forum. Granted-not everyone will read it...but it would be easily seen for anyone skimming the forums.

I realize nobody is perfect but to come to YT looking for help for a dog thats whelping pups or a few days from it--thats even stupider!!! Most of us on YT know exactly where babies come from and how to prevent it if we really dont want babies.
:thumbup:

For awhile I have been reading these posts and shaking my head. I am trying to figure out the concept some people have. I love my dog and I would do anything for her, but in the next breath they breed her to anything that is available and then want to ask for help. So what happened to loving the dog and doing anything for her. In my opinion if they loved their dog they'd have gotten it spayed/neutered. But that's just my opinion. I just find it totally irresponsible to come on a public forum and ask for help when the dog is days from whelping and then get all righteous when the answers you want aren't given. Get over it, The advice isn't bashing or being mean it's just straight honest bluntness. My Mom used to always say "If you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen"

katy-yorkie 07-14-2010 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3198828)
And there are dogs who suffer as a result of their carelessness. Given the person behind the post vs the dog...I'm going to side with the dog.
I have never bred and never will, but yes, there are dogs who suffer as a result of the carelessness of some breeders. Too sad. I read on here somewhere, can't remember where, that if you are breeding to experience birth, you should also go experience euthanasia. Wish I could remember who posted it.

Mardelin 07-14-2010 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zoesmybaby (Post 3198647)
no. it's not an excuse to get sympathy..........there are ppl behind the posts.
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3198828)
And there are dogs who suffer as a result of their carelessness. Given the person behind the post vs the dog...I'm going to side with the dog.
:thumbup:

And those same people own the dogs that have put their lives in jeaporady. Again animal cruelty in another form.

I don't believe these people come on and post these things for sympathy, they are seeking affirmation for what they have done. For whatever reason (I haven't been able to figure out yet), they get upset when they don't recieve it and call the advise that is given as abussive or bashing. But, what bothers me the most is the chiming in from some people; breeders and non breeders.

Dzbabykel 07-14-2010 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3198863)

And those same people own the dogs that have put their lives in jeaporady. Again animal cruelty in another form.

I don't believe these people come on and post these things for sympathy, they are seeking affirmation for what they have done. For whatever reason (I haven't been able to figure out yet), they get upset when they don't recieve it and call the advise that is given as abussive or bashing. But, what bothers me the most is the chiming in from some people; breeders and non breeders.
So true! :thumbup:

megansmomma 07-14-2010 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3198863)
:thumbup:

And those same people own the dogs that have put their lives in jeaporady. Again animal cruelty in another form.

I don't believe these people come on and post these things for sympathy, they are seeking affirmation for what they have done. For whatever reason (I haven't been able to figure out yet), they get upset when they don't recieve it and call the advise that is given as abussive or bashing. But, what bothers me the most is the chiming in from some people; breeders and non breeders.
I agree with everything that has been said previously. The one thing that sticks out the most is when other jump on the we are so mean bandwagon. Maybe if we all just posted congratulations they would then be all happy as clams. :rolleyes:

Some of the things that I have read in the breeder forum make me want to just cry. :( Last night it was the General Forum that was had me so upset. Dogs in a shed! I just cannot get past that even today. It's just sick.

Woogie Man 07-14-2010 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3198863)
But, what bothers me the most is the chiming in from some people; breeders and non breeders.
.....and there's the rub.

bamawife 07-14-2010 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3198059)
I like to look over all the sections of the board, including the breeders section. Not because I ever intend to breed, but just because I want to know everything I can about my pups, including the perilous journey they made to get here in the first place.

I just don't understand all these "accidental" litters. Hello! It's basic facts of life, people. If you have an unspayed female and an unneutered male running around your home, sooner or later it's bound to happen. It's like getting in your car after drinking every Friday night and then being "surprised" when you have an accident or get arrested for a DUI.

I know common sense isn't common, but come on! I've had dogs in my life for my entire life. Never once did we have a litter, accidental or otherwise. Why? Because we spayed and neutered all of our pets as soon as they were old enough. It's not rocket science. It's called being responsible.

[Ok, ending rant]
Same here! We have had rat terriers but we only allowed 2 litters. Period.

jltwigg10 07-14-2010 09:28 AM
I read through all 3 pages of post. I was amazed at some but fine with most. The only people who should breed are those that understand all that it takes to breed (including the whelping, the dangers and the sleepless nights). These are the people who have taken the time to "learn" their breed and their dog.

Sadly I lost a little girl when she was about 6mos old because of a genetic defect. Her breeder owned a pair and bred them. When I got my registry papers I found out that the parents were related. They shared the same dad. She died from an enlarged liver shunt but she suffered multiple seizures before she died. We were at the vets every week to every 2 weeks. It took a few test to rule out what could be to what was the problem. The vet was talking about surgery when she died. :cry:

Now I have learned all the questions to ask and the paperwork to make them show me.

DvlshAngel985 07-14-2010 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jltwigg10 (Post 3199125)
I read through all 3 pages of post. I was amazed at some but fine with most. The only people who should breed are those that understand all that it takes to breed (including the whelping, the dangers and the sleepless nights). These are the people who have taken the time to "learn" their breed and their dog.

Sadly I lost a little girl when she was about 6mos old because of a genetic defect. Her breeder owned a pair and bred them. When I got my registry papers I found out that the parents were related. They shared the same dad. She died from an enlarged liver shunt but she suffered multiple seizures before she died. We were at the vets every week to every 2 weeks. It took a few test to rule out what could be to what was the problem. The vet was talking about surgery when she died. :cry:

Now I have learned all the questions to ask and the paperwork to make them show me.
I am so sorry for your loss. If only people would think ahead, like reputable breeders do, and think about their dogs, AND the people they will be affecting before they breed. People suffer too.

Rhetts_mama 07-14-2010 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jltwigg10 (Post 3199125)
I read through all 3 pages of post. I was amazed at some but fine with most. The only people who should breed are those that understand all that it takes to breed (including the whelping, the dangers and the sleepless nights). These are the people who have taken the time to "learn" their breed and their dog.

Sadly I lost a little girl when she was about 6mos old because of a genetic defect. Her breeder owned a pair and bred them. When I got my registry papers I found out that the parents were related. They shared the same dad. She died from an enlarged liver shunt but she suffered multiple seizures before she died. We were at the vets every week to every 2 weeks. It took a few test to rule out what could be to what was the problem. The vet was talking about surgery when she died. :cry:

Now I have learned all the questions to ask and the paperwork to make them show me.
I'm sorry for your loss. Stories like yours just exemplify why breeding should only be undertaken by those who really know what they are doing. No reputable breeder would have ever done something so reprehensible. It causes too much pain, both for the pups and the people who bring them in to their lives with the intention of loving them for years and years.


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