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tjdmom 07-11-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3194959)
I can honestly say that I would NOT have done the same thing and the reason is, I just plain do NOT step foot into any store that sells dogs.
I know if I did, then I would probably find myself wanting to do the same thing.

I just can't bring myself to go into stores, shelters, etc.. I just want to rescue them all and it breaks my heart.
Lucky for me I really don't shop at stores where I have to walk by pet stores and be tempted or to hear people talking about breeding the animals they just saw in the store!

I know what you mean - I try to stay away as well but all of the malls around here have pet stores in them so at some point, I usually have to walk by a pet store. Do your malls have pet stores too or is that just a New York thing?

Sweetlips6 07-11-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3194576)
I understand exactly what you felt. We all understand not supporting puppy mills and bybers. But, I probably would have done the same thing. When you have a love and compassion for these dogs, it's darn if you do and darn if you don't. At least this little guy went to a responsible pet owner.....

I agree! And even though the OP knows she did something to support a puppy mill, and something most YT'ers do not agree with, she had compassion and moved on that compassion. She took a little innocent pup into her home, and will give it a great life.

The only way to stop pups in pet stores is to stop the breeding. If any here are so passionate - do what you can in your state to stop these mills and byb's.
But first, go back and read Ann's post on compassion, and having compassion on our fellow YT'ers.

To the OP: congrats on your new baby - post pictures soon:)

Sweetlips6 07-11-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tjdmom (Post 3195140)
I know what you mean - I try to stay away as well but all of the malls around here have pet stores in them so at some point, I usually have to walk by a pet store. Do your malls have pet stores too or is that just a New York thing?


Here in Tn and N. AL, we use to have pet stores in the mall all the time. But I have not seen a pet store in the mall in years. I don't know why though.

DvlshAngel985 07-11-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieProud (Post 3194987)
I think it is wrong to support puppymills as well, but I do feel that she has prevented a repeat process with him. He was going to be purchased for the purpose of reproducing and making money. If we look at it this way, what she did was shut down a BYB before they had the chance to do further damage. Good luck with your new baby and I think "Clearance" would be a good name for your baby.

I agree with all the other posters and I would not be looking for my next pet from a petstore. However, I cannot guarantee that I would have walked away from a similar situation. How could I knowing that pup was going to live a life as a baby making machine instead of a happy family member? I do think Clearance is a wonderful name for this pup. It would be a great way to educate others about just how much PetLand and all the other pet stores really care about the animals. Imagine how many will inquire about the origin of the name. It will be an invitation to educate others. :)

Reese1 07-11-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tjdmom (Post 3195140)
I know what you mean - I try to stay away as well but all of the malls around here have pet stores in them so at some point, I usually have to walk by a pet store. Do your malls have pet stores too or is that just a New York thing?

Our main malls do not have pet stores in them. There are a few strip malls around town that have pet stores, but I don't really shop at them.
There is a big Petland store in with this huge grocery store here called Jungle Jims that is like the largest grocery store on the planet, but I rarely shop there and I've never entered that part of the mall.

Ute White 07-11-2010 11:31 AM

I wish you all the best for your new baby and hope you will post pics soon. You did the right thing in your heart and rescued this one from either being used and abused for money purposes or being "cleared out".

shoefelmeyer 07-11-2010 11:32 AM

Congratulations on your new puppy! Looking forward to seeing photos of your new "baby".

I will say, I hate to read others posts bashing someone for giving a puppy a good home.

This sweet little puppy now has a home where he is loved and very much wanted. Not as a dog to start a breeding program or worse. Those girls parents may not have allowed them to have this puppy, once it was brought home. And then where would the puppy end up? Things to think about BEFORE bashing someone for basically "rescueing" this little puppy from that type of future.

jenn1381 07-11-2010 01:06 PM

So, rescuing a puppy is only "ok" when it's done through a rescue organization? Because as I see it, this pup was RESCUED.

I honestly don't know why some people feel the need to be so rude around here lately. It's my way or the highway, right? Do as I say, not as I do?! It's ok for me not to listen, but the second someone else does something they know isn't exactly "right" (and who defines whether or not this situation was right or wrong anyways? Were you there???) we think it's ok to bang down her door with chainsaws in hand. Give me a break! I would have done the same darn thing without even thinking about it. This boy needed an angel, and he got one. Can't we rejoice that this dog will have a loving home with a family who is ready and willing to deal with any issues that may pop up? Yes, it's bad to put $$ in the hands of the evil - but would it have been ok to allow those kids (or lord knows who else) buy that pup and breed it to death? Could you have walked away? Would you have? Some of us know we would not have - some people would like to think they would have, but in the end, I bet many of you would not. I hope that if you're ever caught in a situation such as this that you get a better reaction when you post saying "oops.. I couldn't leave him behind".

This was not a case of the OP going in to the pet store and getting sucked in. She knew what was going to happen to that boy and couldn't let it happen. She rescued him plain and simple. If you can't see that, then I feel for you.

terlis 07-11-2010 01:16 PM

Congratulations on your new addition. There is a petland in the city where I work and they do sell animals. I do not shop there. I did go in a couple of times and yes it is hard to walk away from these poor souls destined for a life of who knows what. You saved this little one in this circumstance. This pup would have been sold and probably to someone with not such good intentions. So thank-you for freeing this baby from such a bad situation.

dkgraves 07-11-2010 02:06 PM

I would have done the same thing...I just can't stand to see a poor baby like that. Yes, my mind hears and understands my responsibility...but my heart just breaks for those little furbabies!

Patti 07-11-2010 02:48 PM

I just hope that anyone who is so passionate about this subject are doing things to help solve it or help on the other end by supporting rescues and shelters either by time or money or just spreading the word. I would love to see pics of your new baby.

jfalz73 07-11-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mom2Kobe (Post 3194442)
I almost never go into petland unless I have my kids, they talked me into going in there after TJ Maxx. So while in TJ Maxx I walk by a group of ppl in their early 20's talking about a 4 month old yorkie in the pet store for $480. And that if they pull money together they should get him, breed him and start making money. Maybe even get a female too down the line. As far as them let's just say I really embarrassed my kids going off on these youngsters.

So we go into petland and I'm now curious about the pup and don't want to see him end up with them. He's a cutie and 2 lbs @ 4 months, and the sales guy notices me looking and tells me that this morning he went from $480 to $180 because they need to make room for the new "shipment " on Monday (I almost slapped him). But how could I not get him at that price knowing that there are BYB dying to vet a pup and a price like that.

I hope you guys aren't too mad, and he is with my BFF until kobe is recovered from his neuter.


To the OP....i have to be honest here.....if i had been in your shoes i know i would have done the exact same thing! God Bless you for giving that baby a good home and i will keep you and him in my prayers for a happy, healthy life! The thing i would not have done was come on here and tell everyone where i got him from....that is no ones business and you do not deserve the rude criticism that you received for being honest! Some people need not be so rude...thats just wrong! In my honest opinion! Good luck with your little one and i also look forward to pictures!! God Bless!:D

sherrijmkassie 07-11-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jfalz73 (Post 3195463)
To the OP....i have to be honest here.....if i had been in your shoes i know i would have done the exact same thing! God Bless you for giving that baby a good home and i will keep you and him in my prayers for a happy, healthy life! The thing i would not have done was come on here and tell everyone where i got him from....that is no ones business and you do not deserve the rude criticism that you received for being honest! Some people need not be so rude...thats just wrong! In my honest opinion! Good luck with your little one and i also look forward to pictures!! God Bless!:D

I couldn't have said it better myself Jeanne! Good Luck with your new baby, am looking forward to seeing pics and updates.

Ringo1 07-11-2010 03:08 PM

Awww. You thought with your heart and not your head. We've all done that a time or two in life, I'll bet!

Congratulations on your new puppy; I'm glad you gave her a shot at a good life.:)

This is exactly why I know I can never, ever go into a pet store. All those poor babies in cages just waiting for someone to love them. I'm a softie too.

And, look at it this way, your thread gave YT another chance to educate people on the puppymills behind the petstore.:animal-pa

megansmomma 07-11-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Patti (Post 3195449)
I just hope that anyone who is so passionate about this subject are doing things to help solve it or help on the other end by supporting rescues and shelters either by time or money or just spreading the word. I would love to see pics of your new baby.

Excellent point Patti :thumbup: If everyone did a little ~ a LOT could be accomplished. Finger pointing and argue will get us nowhere but making an attempt to get the word out will get us all far.

As for another post that said rescuing is only alright if done through a rescue that is also a loaded question. There have been a few recent stories where a single person was not able to fulfill their commitment to the pups that were rescues. The difference between a private rescue and an individual that rescues are huge.

I'm glad the OPer is able to financially take care of her new puppy and will give him a forever home. But private people have failed horribly in the past to be able to follow through with their commitment. If good rescue will NEVER take on a pup without a 100% forever commitment. Whether it is for a week, month or even years. Once that dog is in a rescue organization they do not turn their backs on the dogs in their care and provide a forever home if necessary.

I can speak as a member of YHR and how it works with our organization and I will use Truman as an example. Before I even drove to pick him up it was fully agreed upon and understood that NO MATTER WHAT he would be with me until an appropriate home was found. I would nurse him back to health and I would screen any applications along with an YHR mentor. There are steps in place and checks and balances within the organization to ensure that all rescues are adopted by high quality forever homes. The applications are accessed for the dog and not whether someone just wants to adopt. Their personality is known by the foster home and that is how decisions are made. Some of the rescues are adopted quickly but others might take time. But we go into the foster with the understanding that is could be long term.

Other organizations have dogs that are called "forever fosters". Usually those are the dogs that are considered "unadoptable" due to health, behavior issues or some other factor. There are even rescue that will not take dogs that would fall into this category and will pass taking them in. :( With YHR all our fosters are on the site as adoptable. There are NO forever fosters with YHR and it is written in our bylaws that "all dogs should be given a chance at a forever home". I know for a fact there have been several that it took years to find that perfect home but once they were adopted they were very loved. :)

So I guess what I am trying to say is~private people who rescue need to be fully aware that by taking in a dog there might be medical issues, behavior issues or other factors involved after the initial rescue that need to be considered. If a 100% commitment can be made for the life of that dog then taking on a private rehome is great :)

Ivy Lucille 07-11-2010 03:32 PM

I don't normally post in these kinds of threads but I have been absolutely fuming all day about it. Not because Kobe's Mom had a heart and felt compassion for this dear little guy who appeared to be heading for a life of harsh reality but because she came here for support and was blasted first off. It just sickened me. I have typed a post a couple of times today to this thread but deleted them until I gave myself a chance to cool down. One is very naive to think that if the puppies don't sell, there won't be room for more---------seriously??? Sure, maybe in a rose colored world but I have news for you honey, older puppies "disappear" and it ain't pretty. I agree that this was definitely a rescue. I would have done the exact same thing. Kudo's to the OP! There have been a lot of supportive posts in this thread and for that I am grateful. That is what YT is about... should be about. My prayers go out to "Monday's shipment :("

So congrats on the new baby!!! I can't wait to see pictures of your new little angel!!!!!

DvlshAngel985 07-11-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivy Lucille (Post 3195504)
I don't normally post in these kinds of threads but I have been absolutely fuming all day about it. Not because Kobe's Mom had a heart and felt compassion for this dear little guy who appeared to be heading for a life of harsh reality but because she came here for support and was blasted first off. It just sickened me. I have typed a post a couple of times today to this thread but deleted them until I gave myself a chance to cool down. One is very naive to think that if the puppies don't sell, there won't be room for more---------seriously??? Sure, maybe in a rose colored world but I have news for you honey, older puppies "disappear" and it ain't pretty. I agree that this was definitely a rescue. I would have done the exact same thing. Kudo's to the OP! There have been a lot of supportive posts in this thread and for that I am grateful. That is what YT is about... should be about. My prayers go out to "Monday's shipment :("

So congrats on the new baby!!! I can't wait to see pictures of your new little angel!!!!!


I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

Nancy1999 07-11-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3195533)
I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

:thumbup:

Great post!

RachelandSadie 07-11-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3195533)
I have to disagree with you on two fronts.
1) The negativity is coming from both sides. I went back and counted 52 posts were supportive of the op, and 10 were heavily opinionated that what she did was wrong. There are some that are neither here nor there also. Just because you're supporting the OP doesn't mean you're not being negative also. Just something to think about.

2) Yes, by buying from a pet store you are just supporting puppymills and acknowledging that what they are doing is a-ok by you. When someone is selling something, any type of product, by purchasing you are creating a demand. By creating a demand, you are telling them to produce more to meet that demand. So yes, purchasing from a pet store is adding to the problem. If we don't create a market for puppy mills and pet stores to exist, they won't be there. Simple supply and demand. Yes it sucks to be speaking about living, breathing creatures as products, but that's what they are in the eyes of millers, pet stores, and greedy BYBers.

Having said that. I would have done the exact same thing as the OPer if in the exact situation. I would have taken the pup, and re-homed it probably. (I can't afford a second at the moment) One thing is for sure, I could not just sit back and let some stupid kids pool their money together to buy a baby making machine. They were not purchasing a pet, or adding to their families, they were purchasing a product.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: and i wanted to add that if you look into this thread you will see that even I, though i do not agree with the choice, do support and thank this person for taking on this puppy and caring for him. he needs her and she's going to be a good mommy to him. he is in a better place. what i am trying to make people realize is that if all of us walked into every pet store in this nation and felt sorry for a puppy or overheard someone wanting to give a puppy a less than desirable home, and bought these poor babies in the pet store windows, then we aren't stopping them from refilling their stock, we are adding to their customer list. i can't say i wouldn't break down and get him out of there either. maybe I would...but you know what i wouldn't step foot in front of, near, and defin. not inside a pet land EVER. i hate that place so much, walking by it in the mall makes me sick inside and i just don't understand the logic of even going in there at all. it doesn't teach anyone around you that you hate pet stores, everyone in the store that day thinks that you support pet stores and are just another puppy shopper...so now that you have him, spread the word about pet stores. tell them why you got him out of there and tell them how awful petland is...don't allow the situation to be that you were a pet store buyer, turn it around and show the world why you had to rescue him and what kind of things go on in those stores and where the puppies come from. and for others out there. just don't go inside those places. fight all you can to shut them down forever, then we don't have to worry about our hearts leading us to purchase and rescue puppies from pet stores, but rather we shut them all down forever and stop the need to supply them.

wemple2 07-11-2010 06:03 PM

Wow, there sure are a whole lot of passionate people here on YT, me included. I am too soft hearted to take a chance and even step foot into these types of stores. I know myself well enough to know that I too would want to "save" them all, which I know is not the right thing to do. I just cringe when I hear someone say they got their new puppy from a pet store, or even worse from someone selling them out in the parking lot. But I don't know what to say to these people, they are thrilled with the newest member of their family, who am I to make them feel guilty about their purchase. So I meekly act happy for them and try to change the subject. On the other hand I am the first to tell a prospective buyer to beware, know who they are buying from and to not support BYBers and puppy millers. I guess I sound two faced, but what's done is already done...and what is not done yet can be prevented.
That being said, now that you have already bought this little guy, I wish you and him well. May you have many happy years together and many memories to make.

susan lynn 07-11-2010 06:16 PM

Good for you for saving this puppy from who knows what. I pray this puppy will have a healthy long life. I could have never walked out of there without this puppy especially knowing kids were going to buy him for breeding to make a quick buck. This baby has probably always been in a cage and now has a loving home.

Ringo1 07-11-2010 06:21 PM

I just want to point out that the vast majority of posters DID offer their support and congratulations to the OP, and acknowledged that they might feel the same way in that situation.

terlis 07-13-2010 06:27 PM

All animals are living beings
 
I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.:confused:

Ringo1 07-13-2010 06:39 PM

I hear what you are saying. I guess I just try not to think about it. I get so mad at my guy friends who are hunters but, in actuality, they are probably a lot less cruel than what happens at some meat processing plant.

I don't know a good answer. I'm more opposed to the mass production and the way animals are treated than someone who hunts and then eats the meat.

DvlshAngel985 07-13-2010 06:42 PM

Ringo that's a great way of putting it! Terlis, you might want to start your own thread to get more answers to your specific question.:)

RachelandSadie 07-13-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by terlis (Post 3198532)
I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.:confused:

I come from a family of hunters and my own father is a full-time state and federally licensed taxidermist. I can tell you the God's honest truth, we may be meat eaters and we may hunt and kill our food, but that doesn't make me any less of an animal lover. I know for a person in your shoes who feels that strongly about not killing/eating/using ANY animal that there is nothing I will ever be able to say to make you understand my point of view no different than anything you say to change mine, but i did want to say that for our family, without the ability to hunt and farm, we would have a lot of hungry winters. We don't make much money and just about everything on the dinner table at my house was home grown or hunted. We can't afford to buy all of our food in the grocery store.

As for hunting, we repectfully take the life of each animal and we use every part of it's meat when we take it. My father taught me that if you cannot make a clean kill in one shot, don't shoot. Basically we take our food in the most humane possible way.

I am from the standpoint that people ARE meant to eat meat and that certain animals were put here by God for our use. Biblically humans have always eaten meat and that is how I believe it was meant to be.

As for mass production chop house and slaughtering, that I'm not so in agreeance with. I hate seeing those videos of tortered animals. There is no reason to be cruel to an animal in the last few seconds of their live. Make a clean solid kill and use the product in every way possible without wasting. But i hate those that mass kill and are torturing in the process that is NOT ok. Local farmers don't act like that and i think mass producers are taking away from the respect and the livelihoods of many small town farmers who raise and slaughter with respect their livestock.

that's my two cents on this topic which is far from the original topic, but i had to counter your opinions with my own.

terlis 07-13-2010 07:05 PM

Sorry for taking this off topic. Mod could you please move my posting to another thread if possible. Didn't men to highjack.
I completely understand about having to put food on the table in any way necessary. I did eat animal products most of my life and came from a family of hunters myself. Didn't mean to offend anyone if I did. Sorry again.. Please do not respond to my post in this thread. :)

nana911 07-13-2010 08:12 PM

Gotta say, had I overheard the same conversation in the parking lot, and saw the price of that little guy, I would have done the exact same thing.
I'm pretty sure that Kobe's mom wouldn't even have gone inside the pet store if she hadn't heard them talking about the puppy.

Anyway. Congratulations on your new rescue baby. Hope all is well when you get the vet check up.

YorkieMother 07-14-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by terlis (Post 3198532)
I appreciate everyone being so passionate about shutting down puppy mills. I am vegan and am wondering if anyone has given any thought to any of the other animals that are bred and sold for slaughter to put meat on the table. Pigs, cows, chickens and other animals are brutalized, tortured and slaughtered so millions of people can enjoy their t-bone or McDonalds hamburger. People do not require meat for survival. My own family, and most of my friends are not vegan or vegetarian. It is hard to get away from animal products when you have spent most of your life being told you need those things for your health. An outright lie by the way. Don't want to start a war here, so please don't take this the wrong way.
I am just curious about how people can feel so passionate about only some animals and how they justify it.:confused:

You may want to look into the work done by Temple Grandin on working with animals raised for meat and just how we all that work for with them bust our tails to keep them comfortable as we can all the time even in death.

So if we do not raise them to eat and take care of them in the process what do you think we should do with them turn them loose for them to do what?

JL

PandaGirl 07-14-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by susan lynn (Post 3195705)
Good for you for saving this puppy from who knows what. I pray this puppy will have a healthy long life. I could have never walked out of there without this puppy especially knowing kids were going to buy him for breeding to make a quick buck. This baby has probably always been in a cage and now has a loving home.

I absolutely understand why you feel this way, but it's not saving a puppy, it's making room for a new one. It's called perpetuating the suffering of animals . I know maybe she does not or did not mean to do that, but that is exactly what WE do when we buy from pet-stores.


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