Baby Doll Face?

[TammyJM]

I know that some do not like for breeders to use these terms, but I do use it to describe a 'certain' look. I have been told that my Livi has a baby doll face.

Tammy

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by topknot

Breeders should refrain from using any term such as, Teddy Bear, doll faced, teacups, etc... see #8 of Code of Ethics Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics
Reason is they are marketing terms not breeding terms.

Yes, I agree with this, and just want to add, a breeder doesn't need to belong to the YTCA in order to strive to be ethical. A new breeder could follow the code of conduct and code of ethics.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Patti

My Pixie has was is described as a baby doll face. I love it. Even if it isn't what the standard calls for.

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I know that some do not like for breeders to use these terms, but I do use it to describe a 'certain' look. I have been told that my Livi has a baby doll face.Attachment 320477

Tammy

Both Pixie and Livi have that perpetual baby face. They still look like puppies, even though they are grown. Nothing wrong with calling them how I see them. And they are both adorable!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Both Pixie and Livi have that perpetual baby face. They still look like puppies, even though they are grown. Nothing wrong with calling them how I see them. And they are both adorable!!

I'd like to point out that there is nothing wrong with people using this terminology to describe their pets. Lots of people use the word teacup when describing their pets, breeders who use these words on their web pages or to sell dogs are seen by many as unethical.

[Breny]

I don't USE the word TEACUP, just my choice. I prefer the word Tiny. I do use the word babydoll face and see nothing wrong with it and it does NOT make me a bad person for choosing to use it.

Now if I put an ad out there stating I had a Baby doll faced yorkie for sale and price him/her for an outrageous amount...yeah then there would be something wrong. But I use it to describe a certain "look" of the face of the Yorkshire. Another term I tend to use is "more terrier looking".

We are all different and describe our dog different.

So to ME.....Babydoll = short/wide muzzle.

JMO

[Perrella]

I too think my Zhoie has a baby doll face, just using it to describe what her face looks like, nothing more to it for me. And I now understand her cotton is just one of the throws which happens from time to time. And I'm ok with that too.

I do notice when I watch the Yorkies in the show rings, They do tend to have the small face look, not so much the terrier look to them. Anyone know why this is? Is it a look that show people just take to the ring along with all the other qualities that make them a good example of the breed for the ring?

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[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Perrella

I too think my Zhoie has a baby doll face, just using it to describe what her face looks like, nothing more to it for me. And I now understand her cotton is just one of the throws which happens from time to time. And I'm ok with that too.

I do notice when I watch the Yorkies in the show rings, They do tend to have the small face look, not so much the terrier look to them. Anyone know why this is? Is it a look that show people just take to the ring along with all the other qualities that make them a good example of the breed for the ring?

I love this place, you can learn so much on here!

I think of a Silky having more of a terrier face, and a yorkie as having more of a baby doll face or teddy bear face. I think this is one area in which a breeder can use their discretion, and breed what appeals to them.

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think of a Silky having more of a terrier face, and a yorkie as having more of a baby doll face or teddy bear face. I think this is one area in which a breeder can use their discretion, and breed what appeals to them.

Thanks Nancy, I think that really describes it so well.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There's no real definition for the terms. The yorkie standard says about the face:



Some breeds have really long muzzles or snouts, others have a flatter face; I've heard that Yorkies have more of a medium type of snout, but there is much variation. Some people use the term teddy bear to describe a small nose with a very fluffy hair face, much like a stuffed teddy bear. Others describe baby doll to mean short nose and wide set eye, and is often used along with the word teacup, meaning extra small, but this word has no real definition. As I said, since there is no real definition, it has no meaning and I would avoid breeders who use these terms as they are marketing terms not breeding terms. Look for breeders who are not just producing pets, but those who are improving the breed.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think of a Silky having more of a terrier face, and a yorkie as having more of a baby doll face or teddy bear face. I think this is one area in which a breeder can use their discretion, and breed what appeals to them.

I agree with the above, although I think the standard is open to interpretation. For example, "muzzle not too long", but everyone has a different idea of what "long" is, right? It just seems a lot of pet owners nowadays prefer the yorkie with a short snout and short cobby legs. While it is cute, it doesn't seem standard as I read standard to be, although I am not a breeder, so I could be totally wrong on this. It's just been my observation.

for the poster who asked about show yorkies all looking like they have baby/teddy bear faces, I think they way someone does a topknot can really balance out a yorkies face. If it is more forward, it makes the snout look shorter, make the head look bigger and rounder,etc.

As for yorkie puppies, I think they ALL look like teddy bears!

I would just be weary of breeders who use all the tag words, like extreme baby doll face, tiny teacup, micro teacup, etc. Oh also sometimes the super huge head and eyes that looks super cute, is hydrocephalus.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Perrella

I do notice when I watch the Yorkies in the show rings, They do tend to have the small face look, not so much the terrier look to them. Anyone know why this is? Is it a look that show people just take to the ring along with all the other qualities that make them a good example of the breed for the ring?

This is probably best answered by an exhibitor, but I've read that in America the shorter snout is (was) preferred in the ring while in England a more terrier look is (was) preferred. It was in Ann Seranne's book that I read it. Her book was written some time ago (copyright 1980) and from looking at videos of current winning Yorkies it seems that the difference is not so much as it may have been 30 or more years ago.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

This is probably best answered by an exhibitor, but I've read that in America the shorter snout is (was) preferred in the ring while in England a more terrier look is (was) preferred. It was in Ann Seranne's book that I read it. Her book was written some time ago (copyright 1980) and from looking at videos of current winning Yorkies it seems that the difference is not so much as it may have been 30 or more years ago.

As an exhibitor, I'll attempt to answer this. Yes, the America's have gone to a softer head/face and away from the Terrier head.

Let me expand; if one studies the Illustrated Handbook, which breaks down the AKC/YTCA American Standard....the standard is explained more in detail there.

However, to have a pleasing well balanced head...you would measure as follows: The distance from the tip of the nose to the outer corner of the eye, should be the same distance as from outer corner to outer corner of the eyes....

The correct term is a softer looking head. Or a pretty head.....Completely different from a baby doll head; baby doll heads tend to be apple headed.

[Woogie Man]

Hahaha...right on time, Mary. Notice that I did put in the disclaimer that an exhibitor could answer best. I have heard of the measuring the head as you described. I think the over-riding word used in most aspects of appearance is 'balanced' and measuring the head in that way fits that logic perfectly.

[brendarash]

I have been told that Jackie is a teddy bear and Sadie is a baby doll face. I have no clue on how to put pictures on here. The picture I have with thw two in a stroller, Jackie is the biggest one. The one question I do have about The term Tea cup is this, If some people do not like the term teacup ,why is it okay to use the term tea pot? Just wondering.

[Disney]

I really like the look of smaller nose. Not really flat and bug eyes but like some of champion dog I seen on here.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Hahaha...right on time, Mary. Notice that I did put in the disclaimer that an exhibitor could answer best. I have heard of the measuring the head as you described. I think the over-riding word used in most aspects of appearance is 'balanced' and measuring the head in that way fits that logic perfectly.

That is the operative word "balanced".

But, one must remember, the standard being there for every breeder to strive too. This is what the exhibitor uses to guide them what is show/breeding quality. But, there are those adorable pets that are not of show quality but, lil Champions in the hearts of their owners.