A gentle thread and "Biewers" in the same sentence.. my.. what a thought!!

I went to her page and unfortunately there is already things on it that are stated as if they are fact, when in fact, it is only her (or her clubs) opinion. This is not the way to get Biewer people to UNITE. Until, and unless, there is an honest attempt to really open up and discuss our difference, accept them and understand each other.. having one club or one person out of the picture isn't going to solve the problems facing the Biewers.. I do however like the fact that the page owner has put the "yorkshire terrier" back into the name where it belongs. (my opinion of course)

I totally agree, it would be wonderful for the Biewer people to unite finally.. but having a biased start isn't how it's going to happen.

Diana :animal-pa

I've seen that on other forums here recently....can't recall the screen name, but it's said for the last week "no longer a member". This person made 1 post and it had banned underneath the user name.

I've wanted to ask this for a few days but thought maybe I'd missed something in the rules. :)

My sentiments exactly!

Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Forum
 

This is just my opinion and nothing more. I looked at the forum that "Gail K" referred to and it is clearly for Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Ala Pom Pons fanciers. It does not appear to be associated with the Biewer Terrier group led by Gayle Pruett or any of her associates. It just seems to me that this forum is for those people who believe that the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier standard is the authentic and correct standard and do not believe that the standard set by Gayle Pruett is the true standard. I don't have a vested interest either way but I do think it is a great thing that this forum exist. After all, I'm sure that Ms. Pruett has her own forum and I somehow doubt that hers is unbiased based on what I now know about her (is she really a vet?). I also believe that the YorkieTalk folks would appreciate that the whole discussion regarding the Biewer Yorkshire Terriers vs. Biewer Terriers vs. Parti colored Yorkiets, etc. be discussed in an independent forum. I have Yorkshire Terriers, so as previously stated, I don't have a vested interest but I would appreciate a forum for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrer if I owned one!

It's not the forum that I was speaking about that had biased information but the Facebook page.. the forum is a very recent forum that was just started and your right, it was not started by Ms Pruett but it looks like it was created by a member of another club ..

There are already at least two other biewer forums for people who are interested in talking about their biewers so there is no lack of places for us to yack about our pups .. I disagree however, that YT people would like the discussion of Biewers, Parti's etc moved to another venue.. after all.. we're all yorkies and this is a yorkie forum.. if one isn't interested in learning or contributing, one doesn't have to read, post or contribute to threads discussing "yorkies of a diffrent color".

Most of us started our fascination with the Biewers and/or the Parti's because of our love of the traditionally colored yorkies and I believe there are many others who have come to love these wonderful little souls DIRECTLY due to the exposure they get here on YT.. so, my hope is.. ALL yorkies will continue to be discussed on YT, as well on any other forums that pop up.. the more the merrier..It's just when ones opinion is stated as fact, it doesn't get things started on the right foot.

Diana :animal-pa

I would have to agree with you, the IABCA would not be sending out emails to biewer owners unless they were certain fraud had indeed occurred. The proper step for the IABCA to take now would be to launch a lawsuit, if for no other reason but to protect future owners of the biewer breed.

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Clearly the IABCA should sue but I believe it would take a group of owners, fanciers, breeders, etc. to push for it. I, for one, will be emailing them to ask what their intent is to remedy this situation and to build more trust in the Biewer YT community.

I know some believe that the biewer is a yorkie, some dont but if they put the yorkshire terrier back in the name Hows is that going to work. I cant understand how it can be a yorkshire terrier and a Biewer . If its a yorkie then it cannot be a breed of its own. Color does not make a breed.

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It affects the entire breed in my opinion.... These 2 women have attempted to disasterize the breed from the beginning. Many have suffered their evil first hand and the breed itself suffers.

I would think it would affect people that purchased their pups or members of their clubs' pups, people that show in the IABCA, people that purchased their pedigrees believing they were authentic from IABCA and future owners of the pups thinking they are getting authentic show titles.

Committing fraud and taking in the money for real titles is just such an injustice to the breed in their entirety.

My question is if they can't get a title honestly and defraud the public this way, what else are they falsifying? They also run a registry ya know.

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I have permission from Wanda to crosspost her remarks.

She has made some very valid points on the seriousness of what has happened.

The repercussions are snowballing and effect everyone owning any breed of dog not just a Biewer. This has already started creating distrust among new people interested in purchasing a new puppy. This should not be discounted as a simple mistake. This was a deliberate act to deceive the people and collect the money.

Diana, I can't agree more with you here more that these all started with the yorkies and contine to be related, if not, members of the yorkie familie.

MsTKB Iabca:

Clearly the IABCA should sue but I believe it would take a group of owners, fanciers, breeders, etc. to push for it. I, for one, will be emailing them to ask what their intent is to remedy this situation and to build more trust in the Biewer YT community.

And MsTKB, I hope you have contacted IABCA because right this minute they are open to any and all information and ideas about what to do about this one woman one club who is so experienced at manipulating the truth she thinks she went to vetinary school and somehow has the right to call herself a vet. Someone else might call that a hallucination with the proper credentials.

Oh and the almighty Carl Yocum sings Gayle praises, the last paragraph , he says the Biewer terrier is a cousin to the parti and how Gayle is conducting the Mars testing. What a joke now that we know she is a liar, faked being a DVM and Im pretty sure there wasn't 100 biewers blood samples sent in for the mars Biewer Terrier Markers as she professes. She sent in over and over one of her mixed breeds to get a mixed breed reading in mars so she could get them in AKC.
IMHO The Biewer is nothing more than a parti colored Yorkshire Terrier.
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In any sort of research, you have to have undeniably clean, accurate, data going in .. this was never the case with any of the "so called" research done by the MARS company on behalf of the BTCA in regards to the Biewer Terrier breed.. there was always a question on the authenticity of the samples being sent in, the data collected and the reading and findings disseminated.

The latest escapades of this club and it's officers, just confirms that those who may have had suspicions of prior wrong doings. were most likely not to far off track.

Hopefully, this will finally put to rest the name of BIEWER TERRIER... the entire idea that the Biewer YORKSHIRE Terrier is a mixed breed and is anything but a full, purebred Yorkshire Terrier. This whole episode was nothing more than a fabrication brought about by a very VERY sly "entity" who was driven to get to the top... it has done nothing but cause divisiveness among people and almost total devistation to a beautiful group of dogs. It not only darkened the name of the Biewer Yorkie here in this country, but it reached all the way to the founding country of Germany.. amazing the power that a small group of people can wheeled.

Such an incredibly sad tale for such a delightfully happy dog.

Diana :animal-pa

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BRAVO BRAVO
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they are and will forever be the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon

:bravo: Very well said

Well said Diana.:thumbup:
Ditto!:thumbup:

Too funny. He was wanting the Biewer to not be a yorkie so bad. He trusted the wrong people out of fear of a little tri colored dog. Hey Deb...you should send him your research. Give him the real history of the Biewer and Parti.

I sent a letter to IABCA yesterday about how this whole situation hurt our breed and their show venue. I wanted them to know they had my support as long as they pursued the truth and took action against what has happened. This is the response I got. (I wrote my letter off a forward Corinne had sent me. They thought she sent the letter, but I've cleared that up.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brooke Bridegum
To: babyfacebiewers
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 6:35 pmSubject:
Re: Fwd: IABCA and Int'l Dog Shows: Fraudulent National Title Diploms

Dear Corrine, (me)

We thank you so much for your support. We agree it is a shame to have this happen to such a nice breed. It not only hurts Biewer folks, but it also, as you can imagine hurts us. Even if people believe us, some will be scared away of showing as they want to stay out of the fray. So even though we are completely innocent, and have acted under our duty to the exhibitors by informing them of what has transpired.It is impossible to believe the extent to which this woman will say knowing it is completely false. For instance, she is now saying she sued IABCA over the early Biewer titles that were validated and ratified retroactively by UCI. She is very well aware of the truth as she was part of the problem then. She saw the UCI email stating this titles to be valid. We now say to her, if you have this $30,000. judgement against us as you say you do "prove it" email a copy of this so called judgement to the public. It is public record if there is a lawsuit, if anyone wishes they could check it out themselves. Can you believe she would say something so false that is so easily provable?We do not wish to get into a "pissing match" forgive my language, so I am not sure how many more mass emails we are going to send in response to her lies. It looks like after we gather all information we may be forced to proceed further to stop her actions. We were trying to avoid this and just fix the problem. I believe most people will see through her and see her for what she is. We wish to take the high road.But, we are trying to contact all BTCA members to see what if any the general membership had a role in it. So please feel free to forward this to all you might think interested.

Thank you
Deb Bridegum
IABCA International Dog Shows


I just thought this was interesting.

I am surprised and a bit disappointed to see that kind of response from IABCA. :confused: It sounds/reads as VERY unprofessional. I really can't believe a member of the IABCA would send that out.

I guess you can doubt me if you'd like, but that's the response I got. As you can see I also had permission to cross post. I don't even know the woman, I just hate what has happened here and think justice should be served. I have titles coming from IABCA and don't appreciate the lack of credibility this puts on what my dogs rightfully earned.

I think your last sentence is the way most of us are taking this news!! They truly are wonderful loving caring furkids!

Bamafan... I just read my post and realized I may have been a little harsh. Sorry, I'm really not the kind of person who tries to stir things up. It's been kind of a bad day.:(

No worries. It happens to all of us. :) Just for the record, I wasn't doubting that you were being truthful....I just meant I couldn't believe that an IABCA rep would actually respond in such a manner.

;)TY... I appreciate that!!!!

If Gayle is saying she won a $30,000 lawsuit against IABCA, I for one would like to see proof of service and proof there was a hearing or a trial. I think this may be another one of those fantasies that Gayle likes to put out there when the heat is on her to change the subject.

I think the topic of this thread is that of a club president being unethical, manipulative, lieing, hurtful, to her own club and to the breed. How embarassing to walk in her shoes. And to ask members of her club to do the rotten tasks for her so her hands can look clean.

DITTO Dee I think you are absolutely right --We should all start requesting
proof of all her "claims to fame"--Let's keep this thread dead on the subject.

well like an earlier post said...if it were true it would be easy to prove...cause it would be of public record....anyone who knew what town it was supposedly filed in could get the information if it is there....which of course we all know it is not!!!

Heather, I received a like email from IABCA in response to my email expressing my concern. I was asked, however, if I belonged to the BTCA (which I do not, nor never did). I think they are trying to figure out if this was an act of 2 people, without knowledge of the rest of the clubs members, or if, and who, was also involved. From the email I received, I believe the IABCA will proceed with this matter, I think they are just ensuring they are doing their due diligence in ensuring innocent people are not painted with the same brush.

It's very hard for me to believe very many are envolved with this. Maybe I believe too much in the best of people, but I think most of their membership has to be snowed. I can't honestly make myself believe they would stay if they knew the truth. I think most of us just love our dogs, want to make healthy babies, and share them with the world.:cheer: