Defamation, dishonesty and untruths

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I'm sorry your pup and you had to go through this but didn't you say that the pup was ok once you switched brands of dog food? Sounds like it was due to an allergic reaction to what he was eating?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/248448-post19.html

"The vet start him on Phenobarbital that didn't stop them and he had to add Potassium bromide. I also changed his dog food from royal caine to puppy chow. His seizures stopped. I think you said you were feeing your the royal caine and it also make me wonder if this is some kind of reaction to the food as well. It took about 3-4 day after I stopped feeding the royal canie for the seizure to stop. The vet said scooters were unknown but he also said it could have been from the breeder, breeding a half brother/half sister together too."

I wouldn't interpret that as saying the food was the cause of the seizures at all. Just that the meds were changed around the same time as the food and the seizures stopped. Since meds take several days to reach a therapeutic level, the timing could be coincidental.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I'm sorry your pup and you had to go through this but didn't you say that the pup was ok once you switched brands of dog food? Sounds like it was due to an allergic reaction to what he was eating?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/248448-post19.html

"The vet start him on Phenobarbital that didn't stop them and he had to add Potassium bromide. I also changed his dog food from royal caine to puppy chow. His seizures stopped. I think you said you were feeing your the royal caine and it also make me wonder if this is some kind of reaction to the food as well. It took about 3-4 day after I stopped feeding the royal canie for the seizure to stop. The vet said scooters were unknown but he also said it could have been from the breeder, breeding a half brother/half sister together too."

It took 2 different meds before they were under control.
The breeder had him on royal caine for 5 months.
The seizure started when he was 7 months.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by jackson25

I did notice that the op states that Scooter is being used for breeding. Close line breeding is not uncommon.

Yorkie states that the dog was placed as a pet in another home. The OP doesn't show any pedigrees that show him as being used for breeding.

[jackson25]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Yorkie states that the dog was placed as a pet in another home. The OP doesn't show any pedigrees that show him as being used for breeding.

Yes, I read what was posted, that is why I said the op "states" the dog is being you for breeding.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

It took 2 different meds before they were under control.
The breeder had him on royal caine for 5 months.
The seizure started when he was 7 months.

Could have been a bad batch of food, we hear about things like this all the time. Is Scooter still on the seizure meds?

[yorkiegirl2]

He was never used for breeding.
I place him with someone free.
They had him neutered and had the resources to keep up testing and meds.

[Rhetts_mama]

The OP states that yorkiegirl2 was defaming her.

Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm

I don't see anything that rises to the level of defamation. Was the puppy having seizures: Yep, that's proven by the video. Was the puppy inbred? Yep, the pedigree proves that. Whether that is common practice or not, it's still a true and accurate statement.

Yorkiegirl2: I'm glad the puppy was placed with someone who had the sense to neuter him and was able to continue treatments.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by jackson25

Yes, I read what was posted, that is why I said the op "states" the dog is being you for breeding.

I think the first pedigree posted is of the dog Scooter, the other pedigrees are of yorkiegirl2's other dogs who all have the same line that Scooter has through Champagne Wishes Bam Bam. You'd think if someone felt a line had hereditary problems, that you'd probably want to steer clear of those lines?

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I think the first pedigree posted is of the dog Scooter, the other pedigrees are of yorkiegirl2's other dogs who all have the same line that Scooter has through Champagne Wishes Bam Bam. You'd think if someone felt a line had hereditary problems, that you'd probably want to steer clear of those lines?

There is a small percentage of those dog in my lines.
I've never had a problem but then again I don't inbreed.
And if there was a problem I'd stop breeding the dogs who produced the problem and make things with the buyer. NOT JUST TURN MY HEAD !

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

The OP states that yorkiegirl2 was defaming her.

Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm

I don't see anything that rises to the level of defamation. Was the puppy having seizures: Yep, that's proven by the video. Was the puppy inbred? Yep, the pedigree proves that. Whether that is common practice or not, it's still a true and accurate statement.

Yorkiegirl2: I'm glad the puppy was placed with someone who had the sense to neuter him and was able to continue treatments.

Obviously if the OP is posting this after her 5 year ordeal, it has caused her to suffer harm. Wether it's mentally, emotionally, financially or what ever, she's been affected by what her buyer has posted. It's claimed (from the posted links) that the OP is a bad breeder and that the pups seizure was Possibly caused by the half brother/sister breeding, this wasn't proven and seizures even ended after changing foods, but the OP is still being called a bad breeder?

My guess if the OP felt that she was at fault, she would just ignored the situation but by coming on her to defend herself it seems that she's just had enough.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

There is a small percentage of those dog in my lines.
I've never had a problem but then again I don't inbreed.
And if there was a problem I'd stop breeding the dogs who produced the problem and make things with the buyer. NOT JUST TURN MY HEAD !

No, you're line breeding and if you were concerned of flaws in that line, you should be outcrossing.

So you'd stop breeding the two dogs who produced the problem based on what an unhappy customer says without any proof from the vet? Seizures can be caused by many, many things and not just for genetic or hereditary
reasons ...

You didn't answer my earlier question, is Scooter still on the two prescribed medications Phenobarbital and Potassium bromide to control the seizures?

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Obviously if the OP is posting this after her 5 year ordeal, it has caused her to suffer harm. Wether it's mentally, emotionally, financially or what ever, she's been affected by what her buyer has posted. It's claimed (from the posted links) that the OP is a bad breeder and that the pups seizure was Possibly caused by the half brother/sister breeding, this wasn't proven and seizures even ended after changing foods, but the OP is still being called a bad breeder?

My guess if the OP felt that she was at fault, she would just ignored the situation but by coming on her to defend herself it seems that she's just had enough.

But why come on and bring up a 4 year old post? The latest post that she offered up as an example is from 2007 and was an update on how the dog was doing with the new family. If yorkie was still posting things about the breeder, then yes, she should have the right to defend herself. But it just seems like a moot point to be dragging it back in to the spotlight now.

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative about this. It just doesn't make sense to me to rehash this publicly now. Does she have the right to have her feelings hurt because of what was posted? Of course. But calling it defamation when an opinion is expressed is just as hurtful (In MY opinion, of course )

[puppylove11]

I have to state I am disgusted by the video of the poor boy! How could anyone stand there and give a play by play of his seizure and not hold and comfort him? I could never do that to one of my kids even if I was mad at their breeder! All creators big and small God made them all and as far as I am concerned they all deserve to be loved! Shame on both of you in my opinion.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

But why come on and bring up a 4 year old post? The latest post that she offered up as an example is from 2007 and was an update on how the dog was doing with the new family. If yorkie was still posting things about the breeder, then yes, she should have the right to defend herself. But it just seems like a moot point to be dragging it back in to the spotlight now.

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative about this. It just doesn't make sense to me to rehash this publicly now. Does she have the right to have her feelings hurt because of what was posted? Of course. But calling it defamation when an opinion is expressed is just as hurtful (In MY opinion, of course )

Maybe we don't know the whole story but it appears that they both live in Missouri, maybe they know the same people and maybe what was said about this breeder of 30 years, has caused her unnecessary fear (of what's being said and talked about behind her back) as well as, shame and humiliation.

As for Defamation, would you liked to be labeled something, solely based on someone's unproven opinion? The vet's opinion was that the seizures could have been caused by the inbreeding (but it also could have been caused by a dozen other things too).

It's terrible that this happened to all involved (especially Scooter) but I hope he's doing well where he is now.

[spiritwings1202]

OMG the video of that poor baby just breaks my heart!!!!!
The fact of the matter is that is or was one sick pup. If I had to watch my puppy go through that I would be upset as well.
I hope the pup is doing ok now.