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Mardelin 06-15-2010 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3163911)
OK, I should probably shut up, but I have to say that genetics are complicated. It's possible for a line to carry a recessive gene (say for a protein chain deficiency) and it will not be expressed for many generations. That's because each dog will still have one good gene that overrides a defect.

The line will continue fine until two dogs who both carry it (say half-siblings) breed. Then each of their pups will have a 1:4 chance of not carrying the gene at all, 2:4 chance of carrying the gene and being totally healthy (but now they are both carriers themselves) and a 1:4 chance of getting both copies of the gene and then expressing symptoms.

Plus then there is always the possibility of a spontaneous gene mutation that NO ONE could have seen coming, no matter what the lineage.


I'm NOT saying this is what happened in THIS case. Just that because only one pup out of a litter is sick and the rest are healthy and because this type of thing hadn't happened in the line before now doesn't rule out that there is a genetic component.
What is sadder yet, is there is no genetic marker to tell us whether a dog is a carrier or not.

livingdustmops 06-15-2010 11:40 AM
[QUOTE=Rhetts_mama;3163911]OK, I should probably shut up, but I have to say that genetics are complicated. It's possible for a line to carry a recessive gene (say for a protein chain deficiency) and it will not be expressed for many generations. That's because each dog will still have one good gene that overrides a defect.

The line will continue fine until two dogs who both carry it (say half-siblings) breed. Then each of their pups will have a 1:4 chance of not carrying the gene at all, 2:4 chance of carrying the gene and being totally healthy (but now they are both carriers themselves) and a 1:4 chance of getting both copies of the gene and then expressing symptoms.

Plus then there is always the possibility of a spontaneous gene mutation that NO ONE could have seen coming, no matter what the lineage.


I'm NOT saying this is what happened in THIS case.



I agree and just because one puppy has health issues due to genetic problems does not mean all the puppies do. Look at Liver Shunt. I have never seen a whole litter get LS (maybe has happened I just have never read this) but I do know most reputable breeders will not breed the two dogs together again because of the one puppy.

yorkiegirl2 06-15-2010 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by animal1 (Post 3163871)
To answer your questions JeanieK. Scooter has a full sister whom as of to date now has had NO seizures. Yes Scooters parents were bred to other dogs and none of those puppies ever produced puppies with seizures that I know of to this date.

No I was not given a name and number of Mrs McSwains Vet. No I was never given a Vet statement. I have bought puppies in the past and if the puppy was found to have a problem by my Vet, my Vet would call the breeder themself. I have dealt with several Vets in my lifetime and this has been common practice by all those Vets. I did not receive a call from her Vet.

Mrs. McSwain, would you please share the new owners phone number with me so I can find out for myself how Scooter's doing since you have not been concerned enough to talk with them in the last 3 years?

I in no way come on here to hurt or offend anyone - I'm just here to try to repair my damaged name and felt that these issues needed to be pointed out.
Yes, you did have the vets info !!!

Oh yes,
Your right I had no concern for Scooter.
I did not sit and cry when the poor thing had seizures one after another.
I didn't care enough to spend 4 days/nights at the vet office trying to help him.
I did not sleep right beside him each night to comfort him after the seizures.
I did not spend money on Vet visits, his meds and tests trying to get the seizures his under control.
I didn't care enough once his seizures were under control to screen 30 people and get him placed in the best possible home (FREE).

And now after 5 years your showing concern ???

After you recieve a letter from my lawyer about
returning the money paid for him to go toward his treatment.
What did you send me back ???
A 72 hour contract highlighed
ALL SALES ARE FINAL !!

BellaDonna 06-15-2010 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3162894)
He was never used for breeding.
I place him with someone free.
They had him neutered and had the resources to keep up testing and meds.
I am confused and trying to sort this out but I have 2 questions:

1. If he wasn't used for breeding how come his lines are continued in dogs you now have and breed ?

2. Why would you give him away to someone without neutering him first?

dogbert 06-15-2010 12:57 PM
"Mom to 6 Chihuahuas 1 Yorkie and 5 Cats! Ok...maybe I am a little twisted! :confused:"


This made me laugh.

mojo 06-15-2010 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3163960)
Yes, you did have the vets info !!!

Oh yes,
Your right I had no concern for Scooter.
I did not sit and cry when the poor thing had seizures one after another.
I didn't care enough to spend 4 days/nights at the vet office trying to help him.
I did not sleep right beside him each night to comfort him after the seizures.
I did not spend money on Vet visits, his meds and tests trying to get the seizures his under control.
I didn't care enough once his seizures were under control to screen 30 people and get him placed in the best possible home (FREE).

And now after 5 years your showing concern ???

After you recieve a letter from my lawyer about
returning the money paid for him to go toward his treatment.
What did you send me back ???
A 72 hour contract highlighed
ALL SALES ARE FINAL !!
Ummm, sorry, little confused here, who is it that forced you to sign that contract?
Please everyone be aware of what you are signing.

But I totally agree the o/p did not come on here after 5 years due to a deep concern over this poor dog.

BamaFan121s 06-15-2010 06:26 PM
I have to agree mojo. :thumbup:

It doesn't necessarily make what some breeders do moral, but at some point you have to take responsibility for the agreements you enter, even if you were unaware and unprepared at the time and more knowledgeable now. Just a hard lesson learned sometimes and "I didn't know better" will only go so far.

(Generally speaking.)

JeanieK 06-17-2010 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3163514)
Personally I find this whole thread has other motives and to post something 5 years later is just ridiculous and a lot of mis-information is being given.

I might add a lot of reputable breeders would let the owner keep the dog and pay the vet bills. If someone is only into breeding for the $$$ then they will do anything in their power to blame the new owner instead of stepping up to the plate and admit it might be from their breeding. Someone who is concerned for the dogs first would do this.

I highly doubt this happened because of dog food or a an injury to the brain but that is just my opinion based on a dog that was hit in the head with a baseball bat and if it was dog food the dog would be dead.
It does seem strange that the siezures stopped after they changed dog food. I personally believe there is more to the story than what has been told.

As for a breeder allowing someone to keep the dog and agreeing to pay for the vet bills. That would be pretty risky, like giving someone a blank check, expecting them to use it responsibly. If I am going to pay for the care, I would want to be the one making the decisions about his care.

Mardelin 06-17-2010 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3166808)
It does seem strange that the siezures stopped after they changed dog food. I personally believe there is more to the story than what has been told.

As for a breeder allowing someone to keep the dog and agreeing to pay for the vet bills. That would be pretty risky, like giving someone a blank check, expecting them to use it responsibly. If I am going to pay for the care, I would want to be the one making the decisions about his care.
I know of one pup that was having siezures and when they changed the pups plastic plate to stainless steel the siezures stopped. Yes, there have been occasions of dogs having siezures with food, brought on by a batch of bad food or an allergic reaction.

A reputable breeder would work with the vet, new pup owner to get at the bottom of the problem. If it is diagnosed as a genetic defect, a reputable/responsible breeder would refund the pet fee and let the owner keep the pup. The refund is to assist in the medical care of the pup, that would be a reputable breeders main priority and standing behind ones dogs. Not the money.

shodanusmc 06-17-2010 05:44 PM
For a moment when I looked at the title, I thought it was about me. Carry on!

143julz 06-17-2010 05:53 PM
Where's Judge Judy???

Mardelin 06-17-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3166837)
For a moment when I looked at the title, I thought it was about me. Carry on!
If it was about you, I'd tell you.

BaxtersMommy 06-17-2010 06:02 PM
This thread has gone entirely too long. I am sick of seeing it at the top.

dwerten 06-17-2010 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3166823)
I know of one pup that was having siezures and when they changed the pups plastic plate to stainless steel the siezures stopped. Yes, there have been occasions of dogs having siezures with food, brought on by a batch of bad food or an allergic reaction.

A reputable breeder would work with the vet, new pup owner to get at the bottom of the problem. If it is diagnosed as a genetic defect, a reputable/responsible breeder would refund the pet fee and let the owner keep the pup. The refund is to assist in the medical care of the pup, that would be a reputable breeders main priority and standing behind ones dogs. Not the money.
yes and rosemary in food can trigger seizures if a dog is prone to seizures

What was the final diagnosis of this pup with seizures?

Mardelin 06-17-2010 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3166888)
yes and rosemary in food can trigger seizures if a dog is prone to seizures

What was the final diagnosis of this pup with seizures?
While the subject is a pups health, the issue is more with breeding practices. Or rather breeder's responsibilities.


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