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craigernlee · 02-22-2005, 07:42 PM

My yorkie is right at 4 months old. He is completely out of control! It seems he does not love us, he would much rather be on the floor playing, if you pick him up all he does his lean his head over and stare at the floor. if you put him in your lap all he does is whine to get down. when we put him in the bed he tries over and over to get out.he is completely wild all the time. I cannot teach him to potty in the litter box. he shows no interest in us whatsoever, unless it is to run around and bite us or fetch something. Unfortunately I have our first yorkie to compare him too which we lost. Our first dog was very loyal, affectionate, smart, potty trained, and was completely obsessed with being around us all the time, loved affection and attention, and this was at 3 months old.
wow, what a vent.
anyhow, a friend at my school who breeds yorkies said sometimes they come out unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes, is this true???

we are almost to the point of getting rid of him but at the same time want it to work out. please let me know what you guys think, i appreciate your time...

princecharlie10 · 02-22-2005, 07:52 PM

I'm sorry you are going thru this, My nemo has his days sometimes all he wants to do is be on my lab or in bed with me, other days he just wants to do his thing, maybe your pup is go thru some stage and hopefully it will go away soon. I'm sorry for what you are going thru, I hope your baby comes around and changes, also remember he is a pup ( like toddlers) they would much rather explore their surrounding than be held. I hope this is what's going on to your doggie. I hope everything works out. Sorry I have no solutions

Gypsy Rose · 02-22-2005, 07:58 PM

I may be wrong but I suspect that you are still grieving for your previous yorkie? This could be why, at the moment that you are not bonding with your baby. There is nothing to be ashamed of in this - we lost two yorkies at age 14 plus and the one in particular was the love of our lives. We finally got Gypsy Rose (she is no 19 months). Well, it took time, I felt guilty because eveen though I loved her, I just didn't have that closeness that I had with Gizmo. She won me round I can tell you..!! I absolutely adore this little girl... but it didn't quite happen overnight. Your baby is young and his little personality hasn't quite come out yet. He is playful and doesn't have time for anything, life is very exciting for him... when he is sleepy, give him a quiet gentle cuddle, he'll soon get to like it. I suspect that you'll look back at the way you are worried now in amazement when in a year or so you'll look at the loving little yorkie in your arms! How long have you had him? Ana xx

ldenise · 02-22-2005, 08:37 PM

gypsy rose is right....
i felt the same way about Ahia when we got her. i compared her to our adult (buckeye). she seemed like she was way out of control for me and i was not 'bonding' with her the way i had with Buckeye. She wanted to just play and bite at us. she did her own thing. I would try to love on her and she would be evil. while buckeye was giving me hugs, she would be trying to drag my hand across the room with those sharp teeth. when we would try to sleep for the night, she would jump out of bed and go searching for something to get into. i was constantly putting her back in bed.
and now.... she is loving and wonderful to me. it took a little time. just within the past few months has she gotten really close to me. I loved her and couldn't immagine life around here without her with us. it was difficult with having one so active and the other layed back. to put it in a nut shell ...she got on my nerves like a brat child would!
unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes? probably not. just being a puppy with a lot of interest. he is learning life and trying to enjoy it.
i had to finally come to the conclusion that she enjoyed exploring and playing rather than just laying on my lap. as i would if i was her.
as far as the potty training goes... that can be a challange. just be at attention at all times for a while and it will fall into place. i gave treats each time they went potty. i know others don't use that method but it worked for me. i took them out side and as soon as they would potty i would say "good potty" then give a treat. (just small one). it dont take them long to learn. they are smarter than you think.
i know this is long but hope it helps you. good luck

Oscar's Mom · 02-22-2005, 08:55 PM

Oh my! This is hard, but not really. I think your puppy is trying to find out who he really is. Oscar is exactly what you describe. He is 5 months old today and is just now beginning to truly want our attention. He is wild most of the time, grabbing his toys, playing alone a lot of the time but sometimes, he brings them to us and asks us to play with him. He has turned into quite the "ankle biter" but this is just his way of saying "hey, do you see me here?!!" He gets excited and it goes off in all directions sometimes. But when he is sleepy, he demands to be on the recliner with my husband! He came in the office to me a little while ago and barked and barked...I picked him up and he just whined and whined...I took him in the living room and gave him to his daddy and he is fast asleep...they both love the Lazyboy!!! They have to find their place and get in a routine...Oscar has never been a "lover"...I think as a breed they are quite independent. I hear they calm down at about 18 months tho!!!

But really, give your baby a chance...and give yourself a chance too to grieve the loss of your other Yorkie and to give your new baby time as well. I hope it works out for you...I don't feel one can replace the other in our hearts, but they sure can make that empty place feel a whole lot better with new happy and joyous memories!!!

Oscar's Mom

orinskye · 02-22-2005, 10:24 PM

wow........ complete opposit problem here....... my toby wants to be in my lap 24-7, i now have to do my homework on the computer with him sleeping in my lap, my fiance says when i leave he whines at the door for like 10 minuits..... he sleeps between me and the side of teh bed so if i have to get up i have to move him and he will go with me.... same thing when i sit on the couch, he is always in a proximity that when i move he will be allerted and follow......... he gets down and plays, but he sure knows who his mommy is...... my fiance says that toby doesnt love him as much as he loves me.... well, given the facts i cant really argue with the truth now can i????

toby is deffinetly a momma's boy...... he has always been this way, since the first day we got him he wouldnt let me out of his sight.... on the downside of this attachment comes separation anxsiety

he would drive us insane because he had a BAD case when he was younger.... he just didnt want me to leave him, (but now taht hes not and illegal alien anymore we dont care if he makes noise ..... but hes better now, it was rocky there for a while though)...
I just lost a dog in september and let me just say that what you are going through is normal, i felt when we first got him that NO DOG can compair to josie (and i still feel that way, but toby is jsut my little buddy) i often wondered those first few weeks if i did the right thing by getting him......

Chelsey · 02-23-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by craigernlee

My yorkie is right at 4 months old. He is completely out of control! It seems he does not love us, he would much rather be on the floor playing, if you pick him up all he does his lean his head over and stare at the floor. if you put him in your lap all he does is whine to get down. when we put him in the bed he tries over and over to get out.he is completely wild all the time. I cannot teach him to potty in the litter box. he shows no interest in us whatsoever, unless it is to run around and bite us or fetch something. Unfortunately I have our first yorkie to compare him too which we lost. Our first dog was very loyal, affectionate, smart, potty trained, and was completely obsessed with being around us all the time, loved affection and attention, and this was at 3 months old.
wow, what a vent.
anyhow, a friend at my school who breeds yorkies said sometimes they come out unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes, is this true???

we are almost to the point of getting rid of him but at the same time want it to work out. please let me know what you guys think, i appreciate your time...

i dont believe that any yorkie is really dumb and unaffectionate... i know they all have their own personalities and the 1 likes to cuddle more then the other, when i had 3 fur babies they were all different and yes u do compare but i loved them all in different ways, dont forget that these babies are very sensitive and they pick up ur temprament and moods, try not to compare him to ur other yorkie coz he is different but, he will show u his qualities soon enough

my friend has a yorkie pup thats the same age as Chelsey and she also doesnt like to cuddle as much as my baby and is in many ways very different, Chelsey is a real little baby and wants me with her 24/7
my advice would be, pick him up wen he sleeps and hold him close, teach him that being close to u is nice and safe but, remember that u have to feel relaxed wen u do and he will learn to enjoy the idea....talk to him!
give him time, hes a little boy and "exploring" his world, i hope it all works out for u...
i can assure u that he is not dumb, but very intelligent in his own way, hes a little chap that knows what he wants .....
plz keep us updated

puppy hugs and kisses from Chelsey

Mandy

schatzie · 02-23-2005, 03:58 AM

You have been given such great advise from the above posts!!

I agree, just give it time and cuddle with him when you can.

He probably will do a big turn around on you and be the love of your life!

Keep us updated on his progress and send pic's if you'd like, we love those.

bld2751 · 02-23-2005, 04:10 AM

I agree too, it's probably a phase. He's still young, so give him time. I think it's good that he'll play on his own. It's good that he's able to keep himself occupied when he needs to. I'm starting to notice that my little guy, who's almost 6 months, is starting to get a little more independence. Just hang in there.

Oh, and welcome to yorkie talk. Hopefully we'll be able to help you through this phase!

sshaw · 02-23-2005, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by craigernlee

My yorkie is right at 4 months old. He is completely out of control! It seems he does not love us, he would much rather be on the floor playing, if you pick him up all he does his lean his head over and stare at the floor. if you put him in your lap all he does is whine to get down. when we put him in the bed he tries over and over to get out.he is completely wild all the time. I cannot teach him to potty in the litter box. he shows no interest in us whatsoever, unless it is to run around and bite us or fetch something. Unfortunately I have our first yorkie to compare him too which we lost. Our first dog was very loyal, affectionate, smart, potty trained, and was completely obsessed with being around us all the time, loved affection and attention, and this was at 3 months old.
wow, what a vent.
anyhow, a friend at my school who breeds yorkies said sometimes they come out unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes, is this true???

we are almost to the point of getting rid of him but at the same time want it to work out. please let me know what you guys think, i appreciate your time...

Totally agree with everyone. I have had 4 yorkies, Tiki, Mischa, Shadow, and Raisin whom I just lost in October. Mischa dies a month to the day and hour that Tiki did. I was just broken! The breeder replaced her with a 6 month old that I named Shadow. She followed me everywhere though neither of us bonded. I totally felt as you do. Sometimes I would look at her and say “ How did I end up with you.” She was very cold and did not like to be held, and did not play much. It was sometime later that I realized that we were both depressed. She missed her previous home, and I missed Tiki and Mischa. It was not till a year an a half later that we bonded. I chained her up to the front stoop on a beautiful day in June. I had just moved into a new house and was painting the office. I heard Shadow barking, and I knew it was a frightened bark, so I looked out the window and saw her backing up and charging forward as she let out these screeches. She had discovered 2 lion statues out on the front steps, which she thought were real. I walked out and picked her up and told her “ Now honey, they are not real. You’re so funny!” as I scooped her up laughing, I leaned her toward the statue as I banged on the head of the lion with my other hand and pushed it with my foot. She again let out a terrible screech, at which point I realized that I had exposed her belly to what she thought had the potential to eat her. It was almost at the same moment that she was so horrified at the thought of being eaten, then realized that mom was facilitating, that she in mid screech stopped and understood that the lion was plastic, as I kicked it over.

She fit her name perfectly. She was afraid of her own shadow and would try to intimidate everything she was afraid of, which was everything! This is one of the reasons I like to get them as young as possible because this behavior was in my opinion learned not genetic. Someone of something had hurt her, and she discovered the best way to deal with this was intimidation. However, it was from this day forward that we bonded.

Don’t give up on him and don’t buy into “unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes”. There are only bad owners! All my little girls in the end, ended up being the same dog. They all had some differences in personality, but they all were so similar I think because of the way I bring them up Just try to be patient with yourself and him, and in time it will all work out. Sometimes it just takes a little longer, for all the reasons previously stated by others.

debi_s · 02-23-2005, 05:28 AM

Ditto all the above posts.....some really great advice. I, too, spend a few days and hours thinking I did not care for Lil Bit as much as I did my lost Oscar......I also was a bit afraid to bond too much for fear she would not make it (too small and fragile).....
But I learned MY LESSON with my 'default' chihuahua.....she was totally wild and out of control..for months!!!!!!
I finally just got in the floor and played and played and just wore her out..(it took a LONG TIME!!!)...she finally crawled up in my lap..(on the floor) and fell fast asleep. Things improved greatly after that when I learned the phrase........."A good puppy is a tired puppy"...worked wonders and is working again on Lil Bit.
Don't feel so down....it will take some time....he is going to be a great little guy!

P.S. The potty thing....My pups stay in a play yard in the house when I am not home.....with a puppy pad in with them.....when I am home I initially watch to see where they like to "go".....then I put puppy pads anyplace they seem to prefer...after a few days and weeks I slowely begin to eliminate some of the pads until we end up with only 2 in very discrete places.
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!

YorkieRose · 02-23-2005, 06:11 AM

Talk with the breeder. Ask the temperment of the parents and sibs. He sounds like he may not have ahd much human contact and bonding before you got him...although he is young and can come around. Some are just so perfect and loving, others are can be a difficult..just like kids. BUT I have a different take then many...if this is not a good match, please find him a home where he will be doted on. It is better for him and you..he will be where he is loved and wanted...I am NOT saying you do not love him...you need a Yorkie with a better temperment towards humans..best wishes.

Iris · 02-23-2005, 09:06 AM

I have the completely opposite problem with Tiko. He's too attached to me. He wants my attention 24/7. When I go out and leave him with dh, he tells me that he won't play much, is contanstly sitting/laying by the door waiting for me. Sometimes I feel frustrated cause I can't do the things around the house that need to be done because of him. It's overwhelming at times. I really would hate to see you get rid of the little guy. Maybe he just needs time. Like someone else already said, try to cuddle him when he's tired he'll probably start liking it. Good luck

YorkieRose · 02-23-2005, 12:13 PM

I call those types, Velcro Yorkies...my Charlotte is like that..difficult at times to live with I know.

craigernlee · 02-23-2005, 07:44 PM

I really appreciate all you guys replying, it has helped so much to know others have gone through and gotten throught this. It has changed my wife and i's outlook on how to handle the little guy. Now that we understand, it already seems things have gotten better. I will keep you updated and post a pic soon, thanks again.

02-22-2005, 07:42 PM	#1
craigernlee YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5	HELP! at the end of my rope! My yorkie is right at 4 months old. He is completely out of control! It seems he does not love us, he would much rather be on the floor playing, if you pick him up all he does his lean his head over and stare at the floor. if you put him in your lap all he does is whine to get down. when we put him in the bed he tries over and over to get out.he is completely wild all the time. I cannot teach him to potty in the litter box. he shows no interest in us whatsoever, unless it is to run around and bite us or fetch something. Unfortunately I have our first yorkie to compare him too which we lost. Our first dog was very loyal, affectionate, smart, potty trained, and was completely obsessed with being around us all the time, loved affection and attention, and this was at 3 months old. wow, what a vent. anyhow, a friend at my school who breeds yorkies said sometimes they come out unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes, is this true??? we are almost to the point of getting rid of him but at the same time want it to work out. please let me know what you guys think, i appreciate your time...

02-22-2005, 07:52 PM	#2
princecharlie10 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 113	I'm sorry I'm sorry you are going thru this, My nemo has his days sometimes all he wants to do is be on my lab or in bed with me, other days he just wants to do his thing, maybe your pup is go thru some stage and hopefully it will go away soon. I'm sorry for what you are going thru, I hope your baby comes around and changes, also remember he is a pup ( like toddlers) they would much rather explore their surrounding than be held. I hope this is what's going on to your doggie. I hope everything works out. Sorry I have no solutions Last edited by princecharlie10; 02-22-2005 at 08:06 PM.

02-22-2005, 08:37 PM	#4
ldenise YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Rancho Viejo, Tx Posts: 2,698	gypsy rose is right.... i felt the same way about Ahia when we got her. i compared her to our adult (buckeye). she seemed like she was way out of control for me and i was not 'bonding' with her the way i had with Buckeye. She wanted to just play and bite at us. she did her own thing. I would try to love on her and she would be evil. while buckeye was giving me hugs, she would be trying to drag my hand across the room with those sharp teeth. when we would try to sleep for the night, she would jump out of bed and go searching for something to get into. i was constantly putting her back in bed. and now.... she is loving and wonderful to me. it took a little time. just within the past few months has she gotten really close to me. I loved her and couldn't immagine life around here without her with us. it was difficult with having one so active and the other layed back. to put it in a nut shell ...she got on my nerves like a brat child would! unaffectionate, insanely wild, and dumb, bad genes? probably not. just being a puppy with a lot of interest. he is learning life and trying to enjoy it. i had to finally come to the conclusion that she enjoyed exploring and playing rather than just laying on my lap. as i would if i was her. as far as the potty training goes... that can be a challange. just be at attention at all times for a while and it will fall into place. i gave treats each time they went potty. i know others don't use that method but it worked for me. i took them out side and as soon as they would potty i would say "good potty" then give a treat. (just small one). it dont take them long to learn. they are smarter than you think. i know this is long but hope it helps you. good luck __________________ Buckeye, Ahia, Tressie, Archie & LDenise Dogs are really people with short legs in fur coats

02-23-2005, 03:58 AM	#8
schatzie *Moderator Emeritus* Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tontitown Arkansas Posts: 4,909	You have been given such great advise from the above posts!! I agree, just give it time and cuddle with him when you can. He probably will do a big turn around on you and be the love of your life! Keep us updated on his progress and send pic's if you'd like, we love those. __________________ ~~~~ Schatzie and Ransom ~~~~

02-23-2005, 04:10 AM	#9
bld2751 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 861	I agree too, it's probably a phase. He's still young, so give him time. I think it's good that he'll play on his own. It's good that he's able to keep himself occupied when he needs to. I'm starting to notice that my little guy, who's almost 6 months, is starting to get a little more independence. Just hang in there. Oh, and welcome to yorkie talk. Hopefully we'll be able to help you through this phase! __________________ Brandi, Hercules, & Athena

02-22-2005, 07:58 PM	#3
Gypsy Rose Owned by Gyps and Gizz Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wales Posts: 629	I may be wrong but I suspect that you are still grieving for your previous yorkie? This could be why, at the moment that you are not bonding with your baby. There is nothing to be ashamed of in this - we lost two yorkies at age 14 plus and the one in particular was the love of our lives. We finally got Gypsy Rose (she is no 19 months). Well, it took time, I felt guilty because eveen though I loved her, I just didn't have that closeness that I had with Gizmo. She won me round I can tell you..!! I absolutely adore this little girl... but it didn't quite happen overnight. Your baby is young and his little personality hasn't quite come out yet. He is playful and doesn't have time for anything, life is very exciting for him... when he is sleepy, give him a quiet gentle cuddle, he'll soon get to like it. I suspect that you'll look back at the way you are worried now in amazement when in a year or so you'll look at the loving little yorkie in your arms! How long have you had him? Ana xx

02-22-2005, 08:55 PM	#5
Oscar's Mom My Little Biker Dude Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,065	Oh my! This is hard, but not really. I think your puppy is trying to find out who he really is. Oscar is exactly what you describe. He is 5 months old today and is just now beginning to truly want our attention. He is wild most of the time, grabbing his toys, playing alone a lot of the time but sometimes, he brings them to us and asks us to play with him. He has turned into quite the "ankle biter" but this is just his way of saying "hey, do you see me here?!!" He gets excited and it goes off in all directions sometimes. But when he is sleepy, he demands to be on the recliner with my husband! He came in the office to me a little while ago and barked and barked...I picked him up and he just whined and whined...I took him in the living room and gave him to his daddy and he is fast asleep...they both love the Lazyboy!!! They have to find their place and get in a routine...Oscar has never been a "lover"...I think as a breed they are quite independent. I hear they calm down at about 18 months tho!!! But really, give your baby a chance...and give yourself a chance too to grieve the loss of your other Yorkie and to give your new baby time as well. I hope it works out for you...I don't feel one can replace the other in our hearts, but they sure can make that empty place feel a whole lot better with new happy and joyous memories!!! Oscar's Mom

02-22-2005, 10:24 PM	#6
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	wow........ complete opposit problem here....... my toby wants to be in my lap 24-7, i now have to do my homework on the computer with him sleeping in my lap, my fiance says when i leave he whines at the door for like 10 minuits..... he sleeps between me and the side of teh bed so if i have to get up i have to move him and he will go with me.... same thing when i sit on the couch, he is always in a proximity that when i move he will be allerted and follow......... he gets down and plays, but he sure knows who his mommy is...... my fiance says that toby doesnt love him as much as he loves me.... well, given the facts i cant really argue with the truth now can i???? toby is deffinetly a momma's boy...... he has always been this way, since the first day we got him he wouldnt let me out of his sight.... on the downside of this attachment comes separation anxsiety he would drive us insane because he had a BAD case when he was younger.... he just didnt want me to leave him, (but now taht hes not and illegal alien anymore we dont care if he makes noise ..... but hes better now, it was rocky there for a while though)... I just lost a dog in september and let me just say that what you are going through is normal, i felt when we first got him that NO DOG can compair to josie (and i still feel that way, but toby is jsut my little buddy) i often wondered those first few weeks if i did the right thing by getting him......

02-23-2005, 05:28 AM	#11
debi_s YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 309	Ditto all the above posts.....some really great advice. I, too, spend a few days and hours thinking I did not care for Lil Bit as much as I did my lost Oscar......I also was a bit afraid to bond too much for fear she would not make it (too small and fragile)..... But I learned MY LESSON with my 'default' chihuahua.....she was totally wild and out of control..for months!!!!!! I finally just got in the floor and played and played and just wore her out..(it took a LONG TIME!!!)...she finally crawled up in my lap..(on the floor) and fell fast asleep. Things improved greatly after that when I learned the phrase........."A good puppy is a tired puppy"...worked wonders and is working again on Lil Bit. Don't feel so down....it will take some time....he is going to be a great little guy! P.S. The potty thing....My pups stay in a play yard in the house when I am not home.....with a puppy pad in with them.....when I am home I initially watch to see where they like to "go".....then I put puppy pads anyplace they seem to prefer...after a few days and weeks I slowely begin to eliminate some of the pads until we end up with only 2 in very discrete places. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!

02-23-2005, 06:11 AM	#12
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pup Talk with the breeder. Ask the temperment of the parents and sibs. He sounds like he may not have ahd much human contact and bonding before you got him...although he is young and can come around. Some are just so perfect and loving, others are can be a difficult..just like kids. BUT I have a different take then many...if this is not a good match, please find him a home where he will be doted on. It is better for him and you..he will be where he is loved and wanted...I am NOT saying you do not love him...you need a Yorkie with a better temperment towards humans..best wishes.

02-23-2005, 09:06 AM	#13
Iris Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 25	I have the completely opposite problem with Tiko. He's too attached to me. He wants my attention 24/7. When I go out and leave him with dh, he tells me that he won't play much, is contanstly sitting/laying by the door waiting for me. Sometimes I feel frustrated cause I can't do the things around the house that need to be done because of him. It's overwhelming at times. I really would hate to see you get rid of the little guy. Maybe he just needs time. Like someone else already said, try to cuddle him when he's tired he'll probably start liking it. Good luck

02-23-2005, 12:13 PM	#14
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pup I call those types, Velcro Yorkies...my Charlotte is like that..difficult at times to live with I know.

02-23-2005, 07:44 PM	#15
craigernlee YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5	Thanks For The Input:) I really appreciate all you guys replying, it has helped so much to know others have gone through and gotten throught this. It has changed my wife and i's outlook on how to handle the little guy. Now that we understand, it already seems things have gotten better. I will keep you updated and post a pic soon, thanks again.