Just HAVE to get this out!!!!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by kate07

A teammate of my fiance's has a border collie and she LOVES the garage. It's a luxury garage though and I don't blame the dog. The garage is accessible through the kitchen and the border would spend hours in the garage even as a puppy! My fiance's friend and wife would leave the door open and NOPE she liked the garage wouldn't even budge even on command to come inside! The puppy still was provided care and attention and tons of mental stimulation and tons of time was spent with it. Obviously the garage was at the time and obviously still is clean of any chemicals, is heated and has AC, it's never too hot or cold or drafty, it's ventilaed and has a fresh clean water (actually a luxury puppy faucet that you people wouldn't believe) and a soft warm bed, a large screen TV, a bar, it's well lit and they also installed a doggie door leading into the kitchen. Because this room was their pride and joy's favorite part of their property they updated it to the max - I won't even tell you how much money they spent in renovating it and making it a true puppy palace. Let's just say they spent more than 2 million dollars on the garage. I'll have to get a picture of it, so everyone can see and tell me if they would like to spend their time in their too or not!! Now I'm not saying that the OP garage is like my fiance's teammates or anywhere close to it, but what if it's nice. What if it's like another room in the house. What if it's accessible to the house with a doggie door leading into the house? What if it's an appropriate temperature. What if it's safe - no cars or chemical and well ventilated and so on and so on.....I see no problem with that whatsoever! In addition what if the OP still provides mental stimilation to the dog, plays with it when it gets home from work or before leaving for work. What if they have a pet sitter too or a dog walker. Are they still evil? Are my fiance friends evil too?

But here's the thing. You talk about one person who spent $2 million to build a luxury garage. You have to realize most of the population doesn't have that kind of money to turn a garage into a puppy palace. I don't even have a job right now (I lost my job in Dec), so does that make me a bad yorkie mom? It is a one in a million chance to have that kind of $$ to spend so lavishly on a garage conversion, and to assume that someone has the capacity to instantly switch the garage into an addition to the home is also a bit far fetched. Let's switch gears, let's talk about a more modest garage conversion, with just AC, heat, and insulation. It still isn't a room I would want to go into. Concrete floors just aren't appealing to me. All the little things that would bring a garage up to par cost money, and the cost starts to build up. Not everyone would be so inclined to do a garage renovation. I'd rather spend that money renovating a room inside the house that I actually use.

You also seem to have jumped over the age of poor Chloe. She is 8 weeks old, no dog walker or pet sitter is a good idea at this point in time. She does not have all her shots, she does not have full immunity and taking her out is putting her health at risk. Someone coming in, like a dog sitter, can also endanger her. They work with dogs all day and they can bring in diseases that could make Chloe sick. So really, those two things are just not options for little Chloe's case.

You talk about how we don't get it, but your missing that to me you don't get it. I would love to live in a world where everyone had that kind of money to provide their babies (fur, skin, or carbon fiber) with every luxury. Sadly we don't.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by kate07

YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ.

They received more love and care then you would ever know as obvious with your rude words, and stupid ways of jumping to conclusions and not being able to fully read things.

Originally Posted by kate07

What makes me angry is that before being so nasty and opinated and saying such terrible things about anyone one should factor into consideration and into their statements that it is based on an assumption so the conclusion of their statements may be in error. Of course one can judge the accuracy of ones fact and the probability of the accuracy of ones assumptions, and this should be factored into conlcusion when ascertaining the probability of accuracy of said conclusion. However, I didn't see any comment posted on here doing that at all. As someone who has 6yrs post ivy leaque education in psychology assumptions are the operating principle behind self-fulfilling prophecies and those with low levels of emotional intelligence and ultra egos.

The real problem here is not that a dog is kept in a garage (provided it's a safe garage and all), but by the sounds of it the person is away from home for too many hours. A life of solitude and isolation is cruel.

Maybe your "6yrs post ivy leaque education in psychology" didn't properly teach you how to address people with respect? Jodi is a long-time, well respected member of YT who is also extremely active in yorkie rescue. You have no idea the abused pups she's dealt with or the horrid environments they came out of. Your "ultra ego" is getting in the way of recognizing that others have opinions - well founded, justified opinions. Your rude, insulting comments, your calling others stupid and uneducated while repeatedly mentioning your own education (which means absolutely NOTHING in this discussion) may make you feel better and more important than others here - but it shows others how small minded and judgmental you truly are, as well as your "low level of emotional intelligence." Those who must build themselve up while putting others down are to be pitied for their low self esteem and need for attention and reassurance. And before you go bashing my intelligence and education - let me assure you that I, too, have an excellent college education and hold a very respectable professional position. But when it comes to dogs and those who truly care for their best interests - Jodi is right at the top of my list of those I truly respect for their knowledge, compassion and hard work!!!

Her main concern, as is mine and the others who've posted on this thread, is always the best interest of the pup. And here, THAT is what matters!

[ladyjane]

OK...the above mentioned place is not what *I* call a garage.

Everyone was responding to the OP with regards to a super young puppy that should not even BE away from it's mom and littermates being kept isolated in a garage. Clearly the OP was upset and worried about this puppy....age is totally wrong and treatment even worse imo.

To say that all of the responses are wrong because it could be a multi million dollar garage is just in my opinion not logical. How many of those do you see? And, would most people call that a garage???

Again....I hope and pray the OP gets this puppy from these people who should probably only have stuffed pups.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kate07

As someone who has 6yrs post ivy leaque education in psychology assumptions are the operating principle behind self-fulfilling prophecies and those with low levels of emotional intelligence and ultra egos.

Excuse me? Are you talking about people on YT? I certainly hope that I am misinterpreting this because it sounds extremely arrogant to me.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by kate07

Most people were making assumptions when they clearly did not have sufficient facts about the owners and the way they care for their new yorkie or don't care for it in that matter as well as the conditions of this persons garage and true sound facts as to if it is safe to keep small animals in a garage or not under all kinds of circumstances (working, training, extended periods of time, heated, air conditioned, so on and so on).The first post from the OP was vague and lacked details, but yet all these assumptions were being made unfairly may I state.

... As someone who has 6yrs post ivy leaque education in psychology assumptions are the operating principle behind self-fulfilling prophecies and those with low levels of emotional intelligence and ultra egos.

The real problem here is not that a dog is kept in a garage (provided it's a safe garage and all), but by the sounds of it the person is away from home for too many hours. A life of solitude and isolation is cruel.

Did you not read where the OP came back and stated that these non-deserving new Yorkie owners told her they basically don't care and that poor puppy will be living in there? A Yorkshire Terrier is not meant to be living in a garage, cage, or without human companionship and guidance. They are the ultimate lap and companion dog breed. Anyone who thinks it's okay putting one in a garage, outside (unless it's herding sheep, cattle, or etc. type of animals ), or cage for 20 hours or more out of a day...DAILY let me remind you... is unworthy and does not need to own a Yorkie or ANY DOG for that matter. This is NOT judgement. It's common sense. Did that Ivy League education forget to give you that? Not trying to be rude but having an Ivy L education doesn't mean anything when it comes to humanity.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Let's switch gears, let's talk about a more modest garage conversion, with just AC, heat, and insulation. It still isn't a room I would want to go into. Concrete floors just aren't appealing to me.

I don't even allow my dogs into the garage (I carry them when loading into the car), there is just too much there they could get into. It is neat and well-maintained and clean, but we store things in there that no innocent child or animal should be around ... motor oil, solvents, insecticides, fertilizer, antifreeze, etc, all in their own containers but you never know if something might start leaking. I can smell some of those things, and if I can, you know that to a dog nose those odors are VERY strong.

The OP has already stated that the garage doesn't have climate control. Further, it is safe to assume (and I don't think I am jumping to conclusions at all) that this is just a regular garage that isn't fixed up in any way. Being that the OP said that the new pup owners were putting the pup in the garage because "they are tired of the messes and her laundry room smelling like dog," that means that messes and odors in the garage are a better option to them, so it is likely that it is just a regular garage or they wouldn't want mess or odor in there, either.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Being that the OP said that the new pup owners were putting the pup in the garage because "they are tired of the messes and her laundry room smelling like dog," that means that messes and odors in the garage are a better option to them, so it is likely that it is just a regular garage or they wouldn't want mess or odor in there, either.

Excellent point! Anyone who was offended by the smells a dog leaves, surely would not want their mult million dollar garage to smell either.

[kate07]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

But here's the thing. You talk about one person who spent $2 million to build a luxury garage. You have to realize most of the population doesn't have that kind of money to turn a garage into a puppy palace. I don't even have a job right now (I lost my job in Dec), so does that make me a bad yorkie mom? It is a one in a million chance to have that kind of $$ to spend so lavishly on a garage conversion, and to assume that someone has the capacity to instantly switch the garage into an addition to the home is also a bit far fetched. Let's switch gears, let's talk about a more modest garage conversion, with just AC, heat, and insulation. It still isn't a room I would want to go into. Concrete floors just aren't appealing to me. All the little things that would bring a garage up to par cost money, and the cost starts to build up. Not everyone would be so inclined to do a garage renovation. I'd rather spend that money renovating a room inside the house that I actually use.

You also seem to have jumped over the age of poor Chloe. She is 8 weeks old, no dog walker or pet sitter is a good idea at this point in time. She does not have all her shots, she does not have full immunity and taking her out is putting her health at risk. Someone coming in, like a dog sitter, can also endanger her. They work with dogs all day and they can bring in diseases that could make Chloe sick. So really, those two things are just not options for little Chloe's case.

You talk about how we don't get it, but your missing that to me you don't get it. I would love to live in a world where everyone had that kind of money to provide their babies (fur, skin, or carbon fiber) with every luxury. Sadly we don't.

I fully understand that not everyone has millions of dollars to spend on a garage or not everyone has beautiful garages. Believe me I really do! And of course not having a job doesn't make you a bad mom - not sure how you concluded that or came up with that reasoning...which by the way I'm very sorry you lost your job. I'm not assuming that one has that type of money whatsoever or can easily do something like my friend did. What I'm ASKING AND QUESTIONING is whether or not we know for a FACT what exactly the garage looks like or the conditions of the garage. How do you know that the garage of this owner has concrete floors, how do we know whether or not it's attached to the house or not - lots of garages are and a lot of people update their garages these days too and make it like a family/play room and rooms which people would spend time in. I like you can't imagine shoving a puppy in a cold, dark unsafe garage and I truly hope that's not the case here. I just think before making such awful assumptions about people one needs to ask questions. What if we find out this owner has a gorgeous safe garage and just feels like using it as a safe place, so the puppy is safe and doesn't have free roam of the house to go potty everywhere. I don't think anyone likes coming home to an entire house stinking. We don't know who bad this puppy is with potty training. I understand fully it takes lots of time and patience with a puppy potty training and so forth, but maybe this isn't as bad as people are making it out to be? There is an article on Cornell Universities website regarding safe proofing your garage to put your puppy in as an alternative to having it have free roam of your house when not supervised 100% and to use with puppies with severe potty training issues. If a renowned behaviorist vet is writing this article then really now how awful is it to keep a puppy in a nice safe garage when it can't be supervised?

Regarding the age of the puppy. I thought the owners got her when she was 8 weeks old. Hasn't it been a while a few weeks they've had her? Are you sure she's only 8 weeks old as we are speaking? Also, yes 8 weeks is too young IMO to bring a puppy home even though some breeders say it's fine. Another discussion in and of itself.

Puppies are usually fully vaccinated and by 16 weeks old and are safe to go outside. And in their own yards at 12 weeks old (assuming they have had at least 2 rounds of shots covering paro and distemeper) as which was confirmed from my Vet. A pet sitter is fine. I'm def. not saying it has to be one that is constantly sitting for other dogs. I would hope not especially if going to be dealing with a puppy. It could be a friend. I'm not suggesting or saying a dog walker like one that makes a living out of it. In those cases where one hires a professional dog walker or sitter almost in ALL cases dogs need to be current on all required shots. And must have rabies, DHLPP and Bordatella or else services won't even be rendered! What I'm talking about to clarify is hat maybe there is a friend or a neighbor or someone who let's it out in the backyard to go potty or trains it or comes to check up on the dog while the owner is away and working.

Also, I'm not talking about people not getting it at all. I'm talking about making assumptions before getting all the facts and saying someone is evil or not a good pet owner when the details aren't known. I guess I'm just someone who tries to give people the benefit of the doubt and refrains from saying such nasty things before knowing everything. Just basic etiquette IMO and politeness. That's all.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Excellent point! Anyone who was offended by the smells a dog leaves, surely would not want their mult million dollar garage to smell either.

Cerise and I both would be living in that garage with Mimosa's daily for breakfast and a gorgeous clean up guy, to wait on us hand and LOL

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Cerise and I both would be living in that garage with Mimosa's daily for breakfast and a gorgeous clean up guy, to wait on us hand and LOL

hahaha no kidding!

[BonBon]

[QUOTE=kate07;3086269]Also, I'm not talking about people not getting it at all. I'm talking about making assumptions before getting all the facts and saying someone is evil or not a good pet owner when the details aren't known. I guess I'm just someone who tries to give people the benefit of the doubt and refrains from saying such nasty things before knowing everything. Just basic etiquette IMO and politeness. That's all.[/QUOTE]

I guess I've completely missed the real you - all I've seen is an outpouring of insults, rudeness and complete disrespect.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

I don't even allow my dogs into the garage (I carry them when loading into the car), there is just too much there they could get into. It is neat and well-maintained and clean, but we store things in there that no innocent child or animal should be around ... motor oil, solvents, insecticides, fertilizer, antifreeze, etc, all in their own containers but you never know if something might start leaking. I can smell some of those things, and if I can, you know that to a dog nose those odors are VERY strong.

The OP has already stated that the garage doesn't have climate control. Further, it is safe to assume (and I don't think I am jumping to conclusions at all) that this is just a regular garage that isn't fixed up in any way. Being that the OP said that the new pup owners were putting the pup in the garage because "they are tired of the messes and her laundry room smelling like dog," that means that messes and odors in the garage are a better option to them, so it is likely that it is just a regular garage or they wouldn't want mess or odor in there, either.

OOPS!! that line you quoted should say "It's still a room I would not want to go into" I really need to spend more time proofreading. Thanks for catching that for me.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kate07

Also, I'm not talking about people not getting it at all. I'm talking about making assumptions before getting all the facts and saying someone is evil or not a good pet owner when the details aren't known. I guess I'm just someone who tries to give people the benefit of the doubt and refrains from saying such nasty things before knowing everything. Just basic etiquette IMO and politeness. That's all.

OK...I simply have to ask you if that is what you think you are doing when you refer to your education and others supposed lack thereof?

Did you feel you were following basic etiquette or being polite?

I *get* your *argument* but seriously this op was upset about a yorkie being mistreated and everyone was supporting her. We don't even KNOW this person with the garage...and I hardly doubt that it is a multi million dollar garage. No one is insulting anyone about that garage...simply answering the OP. Stick around YT for a while and you will see many such posts. If you are going to be *angry* as you said you are over something like this post, I think you are in for some rough days.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

OK...I simply have to ask you if that is what you think you are doing when you refer to your education and others supposed lack thereof?

Did you feel you were following basic etiquette or being polite?

I *get* your *argument* but seriously this op was upset about a yorkie being mistreated and everyone was supporting her. We don't even KNOW this person with the garage...and I hardly doubt that it is a multi million dollar garage. No one is insulting anyone about that garage...simply answering the OP. Stick around YT for a while and you will see many such posts. If you are going to be *angry* as you said you are over something like this post, I think you are in for some rough days.

I agree. This has been a very lighthearted discussion compared to others I have seen on YT. Go into one that discusses genetics. I don't even last more than a day in those and I love talking genome and phenotypes!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I agree. This has been a very lighthearted discussion compared to others I have seen on YT. Go into one that discusses genetics. I don't even last more than a day in those and I love talking genome and phenotypes!

Oh NO, I avoid those like the plague.