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jackson25 03-19-2010 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies (Post 3046055)
Please don't put him in the bed. If he falls off he can get hurt bad or you can roll over on him and kill him. He is so small you would never know until you woke up. Don't expect it to get any better for months. It is just like bring a newborn baby home.

:thumbup: He is just like having a new baby at home! He misses is momma as well, as he is TOO young!

celstu1 03-19-2010 06:47 AM

Crate him. Its safer for him and you in the middle of the night with how small he is. I crated my boys until they were almost 6 months old. Use a crate, cover with a blanket, put a blanket in with him so he's warm, and feels safe. He should sleep through the night, but yes he'll cry at first, you'll have to ignore it and he'll stop. Its hard but worth it for your sanity! :)

mommadog1 03-19-2010 07:13 AM

Crates on the bed
 
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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3046120)
Why would you put the crate on your bed? It could fall off!!! Good luck at the vet today. Hope all goes well with your little one.

Hehehe fall off? Sorry, that just made me chuckle ;) I have been raising puppies this way for a very long time and I have never had a crate fall of the bed. Think about it, it's just not likely to happen:)

This is something I actually recommend to people who either have gotten a pup from me, or anyone who asks.

It really helps the puppy to feel safe and calm, and not alone. It gets the puppy used to its new home, family and calms them. So, it helps you to get more sleep;)

I usually only have to do this for the first few nights and then I move them to the nightstand. But for me, I have a hubby and a couple other dogs in my bed so I usually put them on my nightstand right by my head.

Pennie is still on my nightstand in her tiny crate (big for her though..lol), she is 6 months now and has been sleeping there since 8 weeks and she has never fall off there;)

To give the idea of the size of her crate....I don't have a big nightstand..but I have my lamp, phone, clock, and Pennie's crate all on there. Sometimes I knock the lamp off..hehehe

Another kind of crate that is great for this is the soft sided kind, like Sherpa carriers. And you wont roll over on these.

Princes mom 03-19-2010 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3046265)
Hehehe fall off? Sorry, that just made me chuckle ;) I have been raising puppies this way for a very long time and I have never had a crate fall of the bed. Think about it, it's just not likely to happen:)
This is something I actually recommend to people who either have gotten a pup from me, or anyone who asks.

It really helps the puppy to feel safe and calm, and not alone. It gets the puppy used to its new home, family and calms them. So, it helps you to get more sleep;)

I usually only have to do this for the first few nights and then I move them to the nightstand. But for me, I have a hubby and a couple other dogs in my bed so I usually put them on my nightstand right by my head.

Pennie is still on my nightstand in her tiny crate (big for her though..lol), she is 6 months now and has been sleeping there since 8 weeks and she has never fall off there;)

To give the idea of the size of her crate....I don't have a big nightstand..but I have my lamp, phone, clock, and Pennie's crate all on there. Sometimes I knock the lamp off..hehehe

Another kind of crate that is great for this is the soft sided kind, like Sherpa carriers. And you wont roll over on these.

Wow...it could very well happen. It depends on the placement of the bed. If the bed has one side against a wall, and the crate is placed on that side, then it probably wouldn't fall off;however, if the bed is in the middle of the room, then there is a strong possibility that it could.

mommadog1 03-19-2010 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3045716)
Ohh my goodness I need sleep. This little guy has kepted me up so much!!! Every 2-3 hours he wakes me up and I feed him and make sure he is ok. He has been sleeping in the bed with me because if I put him in his play pen he will whine and cry. Do you think I should just make him sleep there?? The play pen is in my room but he still crys and wants to sleep in bed with me...He whines to be put down on the floor in the middle of the night because he wants to play so I do and he ends up peeing and pooping all over the floor. ANy suggestion on what I should do and if I should make him sleep in play pen of in bed with me?????

You need to IGNORE his cries!! Yes it is hard, get some ear plugs, that's what I do..LOL Every time you remove him from the play pen (get a crate instead) when he fusses he is getting rewarded, so he is going to keep it up.

So you give him a few nights and he wont fuss any more and will sleep most of the night. Sometimes just saying "shhh" calmly helps, but no other talking to him. It's really just a command your giving him, and they catch on fast. some pups it only takes 1 night.

mommadog1 03-19-2010 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Princes mom (Post 3046275)
Wow...it could very well happen. It depends on the placement of the bed. If the bed has one side against a wall, and the crate is placed on that side, then it probably wouldn't fall off;however, if the bed is in the middle of the room, then there is a strong possibility that it could.

I didn't say it couldn't happen, anything is possible..it's not probable... I stand by what I say.

I have my bed with both sides of the bed open. You put the crate next to you and either wrap the other side of the blanket over it or placing a pillow on the other side of the crate if a person would be worried about it.

Even with the crate right next to me with nothing else on the other side of it, there is still 4 ft of bed on the other side.. How is it going to roll off? And FYI, I have a queen size bed:)

mommadog1 03-19-2010 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cathys (Post 3045803)
I'll just tell you what I did with my little girl when she first came home. She was 12 weeks old, but still didn't want to sleep alone. I put her in a small kennel and then put it on my bed so she could see me, but be safe. When she would wake me, I took her to a small bathroom and let her use a puddle pad and have a drink, then it was right back to the kennel. She did better with this. It wasn't long before she made it though the night. Now she sleeps with me and if she needs to use a pad, she justs walks up and down on me until I wake up and put her on the floor. She will use her pad and come back to be picked up. I hope this helps.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

mommadog1 03-19-2010 07:52 AM

Home made warm sleeping buddy
 
This is so easy and cheap and it took someone else giving me this tip when Pennie was so little and losing heat.

Take tube sock, or a mans sock so you end up with something the size of a brick or a little smaller. Fill the sock with RICE, regular rice. Tie a knot at the opening. then place in the microwave until it is really warm, almost hot. I start of with about 45 seconds.

Knead it to mix hot spots. Then place under a blanket in their crate, they will cozy up to it. And the thing stays warm for several hours.

Works like a charm!!;)

Britster 03-19-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3046120)
Why would you put the crate on your bed? It could fall off!!! Good luck at the vet today. Hope all goes well with your little one.

I put the crate on my bed when Jackson was a pup. Never had any issues. It worked for us. We only used a crate for a few weeks tho. I have a king size bed and it's only me in it... so there was plenty of room.

mommadog1 03-19-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jennxling (Post 3046031)
You need to crate him. You need to get a small crate just big enough so he doesn't feel cramp, but small so he can separate a spot for pooping.

You should never encourage a puppy to go poop in it's crate. Take it potty as much as needed, but then right back in the crate.

And if your going to have such a little one you NEED to keep food in it's crate at all times. That way they don't get hypoglycemic. and that can happen very fast.

mommadog1 03-19-2010 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jennxling (Post 3046032)
Since he is so young, he can't hold his pee and poo in very long, so bring him to the pad every 30-45 minutes. at night, 1-2 and maybe 3 hrs. I wouldn't try to stretch it to 3 though...

Bodily functions slow while you sleep so they don't need to go that often. I think 3 hours is good.

Ichabob 03-19-2010 08:07 AM

my two guys sleep in there crate next to my side of the bed, when storms comes through are for whatever reason and they cry out I can put my fingers through the wire Wicket will lick them and then settle right back down, they are like kids they need to feel safe. Teddy just needs to hear my voice and he will settle down.

mine also have a nite light by there kennels.

hugz4all4 03-19-2010 08:11 AM

Im going to disagree ONLY with the fact that he whines because he too young. Every puppy I have brought home whined at night for weeks after bringing them home. Ive had them at 6, 7, 9, 10, and 14 weeks old.. EVERY one whined at night. I agree its because they miss their momma's and litter mates. They are lonely. When they started to whine I would take them out to potty, offer food (always kept it in their crate anyways, when they are that young they need food every few hours) gave them hugs and kisses and back in the crate they went. I did it every night untill they got use to it. It did take about 2/3 weeks before the whining every 2 hours stopped, about 2 months before they slept through the night entirely.
It did help to bring the crate in my room and put it right next to my bed. So they knew I was right their with them. I also kept a few soft blankets in with them along with a meduim sized stuffed animal (one that can be washed easily) that they could curl up next too. I agree that you shouldnt let him run around at night while you are in the bed, he could easily get hurt. I would continue to offer him food every couple hours and taking him to potty as you have. Puppies are really no different than newborns. Eventually he will settle down at night, but it will be a few weeks..
good luck..:)

mommadog1 03-19-2010 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3046161)
I would put him in a playpen in another room. JMO but you are setting yourself up for a long time of getting up with him if you keep doing this.

Make sure he has 20 to 30 minutes of good exercise before bed to get him good and tired. Leave food and water and a pee pad in the pen, put him in another room and close the door.

I personally don't agree with making a new puppy sleep in another room alone, especially such a young, little one.

But I don't think dogs should be made to sleep in another room anyhow, especially my own.

Nancy1999 03-19-2010 08:45 AM

The problem is you are getting too much conflicting advice. Many of us got our dogs older, and we placed them in crates by our beds, or on a nightstand next to our bed. I did this because I wanted Joey to wake me up every few hours, so I could housebreak him. Your dog is too young for that. I agree with those who say put him in an x-pen with pee pads, and let him use the pads overnight. You can use lots of pads, so he's sure to hit one. Just so he has a dry place to sleep. You do not have to start house breaking or crate training till he's older, and if you are consistent at that time, they will learn very fast. Right now, you want your dog to feel safe, and protected, worry about house breaking later. I wouldn't start house breaking until 12 weeks, at that point it takes a couple of months of waking up every few hours, until they can hold it all night, why rush it?

Mardelin 03-19-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3046381)
The problem is you are getting too much conflicting advice. Many of us got our dogs older, and we placed them in crates by our beds, or on a nightstand next to our bed. I did this because I wanted Joey to wake me up every few hours, so I could housebreak him. Your dog is too young for that. I agree with those who say put him in an x-pen with pee pads, and let him use the pads overnight. You can use lots of pads, so he's sure to hit one. Just so he has a dry place to sleep. You do not have to start house breaking or crate training till he's older, and if you are consistent at that time, they will learn very fast. Right now, you want your dog to feel safe, and protected, worry about house breaking later. I wouldn't start house breaking until 12 weeks, at that point it takes a couple of months of waking up every few hours, until they can hold it all night, why rush it?

I agree with you 100%. This pup is a very young age and definately prone to hyperglycemia....at this point my main concern is that he's being fed frequently.

My mom's usually do the pee pad training...the serious training of going outside I don't begin until 16 weeks of age, too much is going on with their little bodies (and that's dependent on weather conditions)....they are teething and everything hurts, so their little attention spans aren't there.

yorkie_mama22 03-19-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3046381)
The problem is you are getting too much conflicting advice. Many of us got our dogs older, and we placed them in crates by our beds, or on a nightstand next to our bed. I did this because I wanted Joey to wake me up every few hours, so I could housebreak him. Your dog is too young for that. I agree with those who say put him in an x-pen with pee pads, and let him use the pads overnight. You can use lots of pads, so he's sure to hit one. Just so he has a dry place to sleep. You do not have to start house breaking or crate training till he's older, and if you are consistent at that time, they will learn very fast. Right now, you want your dog to feel safe, and protected, worry about house breaking later. I wouldn't start house breaking until 12 weeks, at that point it takes a couple of months of waking up every few hours, until they can hold it all night, why rush it?



I agree with you 100% too. I think this is the best advice given for a pup this young. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

NatNatt 03-19-2010 10:02 AM

Sold!!! I just bought it off the website. I just came from the pet store and nope nothing.


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Originally Posted by HarleyHOO (Post 3046165)
I don't believe so as I looked at local pet stores and never found anything like this. You can buy a simple heartbeat pillow @ Petsmart, but it won't have a warmer in it. I think that the cuddly bear thing would be better and almost like a big pillow for him to snuggle up under. I'd order off of their website if I was you.


NatNatt 03-19-2010 10:12 AM

Yes, I am getting way to many different answers. I need to know if I should put him in his crate next to my bed or in his playpen?? Or playpen in another room. Ahhhh you all are confusing me.

DvlshAngel985 03-19-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3046493)
Yes, I am getting way to many different answers. I need to know if I should put him in his crate next to my bed or in his playpen?? Or playpen in another room. Ahhhh you all are confusing me.

We all did it differently, so that's what we share. The best advice here would be read it all, take it all in, and go with what is possible for you to do. If he has that cuddle buddy I posted, you could definitely do the ex-pen. He'll have something to keep him warm and keep him company so it'll be like cuddling up to you but in the safety of a pen. If you saw the measurements and you think it'll fit in his crate, then you can do that also. Either way you're going to be getting up often at night to check on him and you'll have piece of mind because he's safe. Personally, I wouldn't put him in another room. I would want him where I can get to him as quickly as possible in case he needs anything. I'd keep food, water, and nutrical within arms reach.

Jennxling 03-19-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3046078)
Thanks for everyones advice, it is very much appreciated because I do want to take care of my baby the right way. I will put his create on my bed and get a warm bottle and put it in his create and make sure I put him in his playpen every 2-3 hours where his puppy pad is to go to the bathroom. I have noticed with him he WILL NOT poop or pee on my bed or when I am playing with him. He waits until he gets on the carpet to do it. He wont poop on the puppy pad and he pees SOMETIMES on it. I guess I wont let him on my carpet anymore until I am watching him 100% and wont take my eyes off him.

I know it can be hard to tell an adorable pup that that he cant cuddle up in my arms. He likes to sleep in my arms and on my neck it adorable...but I wont do it anymore until he is trainned fully like you all said. I have also noticed that when he cries/whines in his playpen/kitchen it stops sooner and sooner everytime because he is getting use to it and knowes I wont let him out just because he is crying/whinng.

I am bringing him for a check-up in a few hours so I gotta run and get ready. Ill keep you posted on how it went.

If you can suggest anything else...please post because I am open to hearing you all out

Don't let him off the potty pad UNTIL he goes. say something like "go potty" when he's on the pad. When he goes, REWARD him. and let him play. If he doesn't go after A LONG time, then put him in his crate and then bring him to the pad awhile later. this way, he knows going pee/poo on the pad will get him reward + play. It will be hard and it takes A LOT of patience. Thanks goodness I have my bf who is very patient...or else I wouldn't have been able to do it

viviansnickers 03-19-2010 11:09 AM

Hello!! Seems like you've got your hands full. Puppies are A TON of work and yours being "premature" and so young, you've really got you're work cut out for you.

1) You're not going to be getting any sleep until the baby is about 16 weeks. Until then, I would be up every 2-3 hours to take the pup to potty.

2) PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE PLAYPEN IN ANOTHER ROOM. Your pup wants to be with their pack and now thats YOU!

3) I would not advise you have the pup sleep with you--TOO LITTLE, too many dangerous things could happen. I personally would get a small crate, put it on the bed with you (as long as the bed is large enough-next to a wall & as long as you are planning to have the pup sleep with you later after potty training) and as soon as the pup whines, take him out and put him on the pad. If he does nothing, put pup back in crate and that's it. If you don't plan to evetually allow your dog to sleep with you, I would keep the crate in your room, and on the floor, in the xpen/playpen.

Good luck!!! Also, be sure the pup is getting enough food if needed through the night being as young as it is.

Snick & Viv

spiritwings1202 03-19-2010 11:21 AM

I kept the ex-pen in the living room where we were during the day and at night I had a crate for Pixie right by my bed so I could hear her if she had to pee.
To keep it quiet I kept the sides of the crate coverd with a blanket and I left the back open so I could watch her. When we went to bed at night I would put the blaket over the sides of the crate and front of the crate. I always left the back open so that she could see me and I could see her.
She started going to the back of the crate to wake me up when she had to pee. I would bring her to the living room in her ex-pen and put her on her pad and tell her to go pee pee. after she went she got a cheerio and back in the crate until morning.
I always warmed her bed before bedtime and kept fresh water and a lil kibble in there for her. I also had a comfy dog bed in the crate with a fleece blanket.

jmdt 03-19-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3046153)
ok ill get it today. You think I can get it at a pet store? If so Ill be able to runb by there today and grab it with heat packs.

Its just me in bed and its a very small kennell so it wouldnt fall off the bed I would def have enough room if for some crazy reason it didnt i have a table I can put it on next to the bed.

Have you thought of maybe putting the crate on the floor???

jmdt 03-19-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3046265)
Hehehe fall off? Sorry, that just made me chuckle ;) I have been raising puppies this way for a very long time and I have never had a crate fall of the bed. Think about it, it's just not likely to happen:)

This is something I actually recommend to people who either have gotten a pup from me, or anyone who asks.

It really helps the puppy to feel safe and calm, and not alone. It gets the puppy used to its new home, family and calms them. So, it helps you to get more sleep;)

I usually only have to do this for the first few nights and then I move them to the nightstand. But for me, I have a hubby and a couple other dogs in my bed so I usually put them on my nightstand right by my head.

Pennie is still on my nightstand in her tiny crate (big for her though..lol), she is 6 months now and has been sleeping there since 8 weeks and she has never fall off there;)

To give the idea of the size of her crate....I don't have a big nightstand..but I have my lamp, phone, clock, and Pennie's crate all on there. Sometimes I knock the lamp off..hehehe

Another kind of crate that is great for this is the soft sided kind, like Sherpa carriers. And you wont roll over on these.

Sorry I still don't agree with putting the crate on the bed. I say it again... It could fall off

Why not put a newborn baby in a carrier and put it on the bed with you?? Oh it might fall off ???

I've had 4 children and 4 puppies and my common sense tells me not to put them on the bed!!

Sorry... jmo

yorkie_mama22 03-19-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3046871)
Sorry I still don't agree with putting the crate on the bed. I say it again... It could fall off

Why not put a newborn baby in a carrier and put it on the bed with you?? Oh it might fall off ???

I've had 4 children and 4 puppies and my common sense tells me not to put them on the bed!!

Sorry... jmo


Anything is possible and it's better to be safe then sorry! I personally wouldn't do it either. I always put them on the floor next to the bed.

red98vett 03-19-2010 03:18 PM

one more thing to think about - keep him warm - and I don't mean in clothes...most wouldn't fit a dog this tiny and you don't want him getting all caught up in something -

and like everyone said - don't count on sleeping more than a few hours at a time. I think you knew this but it's true - they have tiny bladders - miss their moms and will take a while to get on your schedule so don't sweat it - it really IS like having a real baby when you have a puppy this young with the small breeds. There's so many things to think about and so many things that can go wrong

Nancy1999 03-19-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3046913)
one more thing to think about - keep him warm - and I don't mean in clothes...most wouldn't fit a dog this tiny and you don't want him getting all caught up in something -

and like everyone said - don't count on sleeping more than a few hours at a time. I think you knew this but it's true - they have tiny bladders - miss their moms and will take a while to get on your schedule so don't sweat it - it really IS like having a real baby when you have a puppy this young with the small breeds. There's so many things to think about and so many things that can go wrong

Great reminder, breeders take extra care keeping puppies this age warm.

MorkieMomii 03-19-2010 04:05 PM

My first Yorkie(a boy) I raised from 6 weeks, my present baby(a girl) I raised from just shy of 12 weeks. My experience was the same for both. Both required the same effort. Both slept crated, but right next to me. Both woke in the night whining to go potty. Both would not soil their crate, it was amazing both times how smart they were. The one I raised from 6 weeks actually potty trained faster than Eva, though she trained very well too. I don't think age matters(JMO) if you are consistent. So regardless of what advice you go with, be consistent and follow through and you will have success. Also, though it is tiring, it is very rewarding and really is over so fast. By the fall you will be fondly remembering these sleepless nights. Enjoy every minute.:)

joeyandtanksmom 03-19-2010 05:42 PM

my boys sleep in their kennel on the floor next to my bed, and they do totally fine...I would suggest not putting the kennel on your bed, simply because you probably won't want to sleep like that for the next 14 years or so, and you'll probably want to get DJ used to something like that as easily as possible - like, only change things you need to, you know? it'll be less stressful for him.


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