I'm sooo confused!!!

OMG!! What a very special thing to offer to someone you don't even know!!! I really appreciate the sweet gesture more than you could ever know, BUT...I could never accept that. The way I see it is that if I can't do that on my own right now, then perhaps this is what's meant to be. It could be a sign. But thank you....your offer made me cry!

This lady IS the new owner, not a foster at all. Believe me, I understand where she's coming from and exactly what you're saying. I know it would be confusing for Savannah. I've never had to do this before in my life. I've always had my little ones with me no matter where I had to live in order to keep them. They've ALWAYS come first. If we moved and the place I wanted to live in suited me, but didn't allow pets?....Guess what? I kept looking! You have no idea the places that I've had to go for the sake of my furry companions. I've sacrificed more than anyone will ever know for them. If it came to a choice of me eating or my babies eating, you can bet that they would have the full belly as I was smiling at their content. So, to make a choice such as I have had to face, after all I have endured for them out of the deep love and commitment I have for them......well, it would bring anyone to their knees in sobbing pain. And to sit back wondering if that person is doing all you would do for them and loving them the way you did, is not asking for much considering all the years you have invested in love for the animal. If you didn't worry and fret over it, lose sleep and not be able to eat until your questions were answered, you'd have to ask yourself if you ever REALLY loved them at all. I don't know how to find this out for myself without seeing them together.

And no, nothing has been signed. She would still be considered my dog.

Lori, I am so confused now about your reasons for giving Savannah up after reading your post from July:

Ok well, for all of you that are shaming the woman that started this post with the 'have patience' comments. I have 2 yorkies. My oldest is 14, going on 15 and the youngest is 12. It took me every bit of 2 yrs to house break both of them!!! Even tho they are house-broken, they will still pee and poop in the house if they need to. BOTH have regressed to being unbroken..as tho they aren't trained at all. This is mainly due to the youngest potty habits. I don't want ANYONE to bash me and tell me that it's something that I'M doing wrong because they WERE broken!!! This breed is by far the most stubborn when it comes to housebreaking of any breed I have ever owned. The youngest of the 2 is a complete and utter tyrant that has destroyed every place I have ever lived with her nastiness. I am getting ready to have to move yet again only this time it will be without her. I have come to the conclusion that I will never have anything or be able to live a 'normal' life as long as she is sharing my dwelling. I have had all the patience anyone could possibly have while going thru this. I have trained, re-trained, and re-trained in every method ever written and some I concocted on my own. She WILLLLL lay in it, sleep in it, heck, she even eats her own poop as well as the other dogs poop! It's absolutely the grossest dog I have ever owned. I have put up with this for, as I've said, 12 years for the sake of her. She's at an age where no one will or would take her now. The no kill shelter here wont take her. So I have 1 alternative and that is to have her put to sleep. I am beyond disgusted with being forced to do such a thing when I have fought long and hard to keep her. 12 years!!!!???????? It comes a time when a person has to look at how they have to live for the sake of an animal. One such as what I have. Believe me, I love her as much as I hate her sometimes and I am not the kind of person to do what I have to do. I've cried my eyes out at the thought of this but I really have no choice left. I cannot live this way anymore. My home reeks of urine and it's just not fair! So, to the woman that is having the difficult time.....you have a long road ahead of you and chances are pretty great that potty training will never completely be done! Everyone I know with yorkies complain that they are the HARDEST to break and are rarely fully broken. They're just sneaky enough to hide the evidence well. They are beautiful, sweet companions but the down-sides to them out-weigh the good!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:rolleyes:

Sounds to me like she is where she needs to be to get the medical attention that she needs.

Maybe now that everyone sees the "the rest of the story" they will advise differently.

:thumbup: I agree. I don't think it would be right for you to ask for her back. This woman has put quite a bit of $$ out for a her and she obviously has a big heart because she took her knowing she had health issues. As you said, you do not have the means to pay for her medical. You have two other dogs too, they are older, what happens if they get sick, then you'll have three you cannot afford. Don't mean to sound harsh but I think you did the right thing and should let it lie. Elaine

You have had absolutely nothing positive to say and then you look for more to hit me with. To make things perfectly clear, go back to ALL of my posts before you pass judgement. Perhaps the one dated just this month when I updated everyone on the 'potty training nightmares'. Savannah tho I DO love her, was a tyrant, but she was MY tyrant! All the things about them that you once found to be so annoying you find hard to get past once they aren't there. I don't expect anyone to understand another's frustrations. In July, I was living in squaller because having my babies with me meant more to me than NOT having them. It's also true that potty training them was a complete and utter nightmare! At the time, I was working the worst shift 4:30p-12:30am. It would take me 30 mins to get to work and 30 mins home. Due to having the dogs with me, the only place I could find to live was way in the middle of no where, crossing a toll booth both ways!!! I had to pay twice the amount of rent for the place AND pay toll everyday! By the time I would get home...at 1am, I would walk in the front door to the smell of pee and poop. Open Savannah's crate and find that she had gone all over it and laid in it. Now I had to get all of them outside, come back in give her a bath, put her bedding in the washer and clean the crate. This happened EVERY night. She refused to be penned up all night. She would whine and bark all night long. Having not gone to bed until 2:30-3am I would walk them all once more before going to bed. I'd be back up by 8am-9am and find she had used my living room once more as her potty pad. You have NO IDEA what I have had to go through. I, as I've said, trained and retrained and never had any success with her. I'm sorry if everyone thinks that one night of utter FRUSTRATION constitutes me as some ogre that hates her animals. I've proven that I didn't and don't by the anguish that I've been enduring over separating from her. Did I have her put to sleep or is she in a happy home??????????????? Wow! I'm amazed that you even threw that in my face! After that post and right after that post, I ended up taking her with me to allow her to use my new home as her potty pad and she lived here happily for yet another 5 months! Once my job ended in August I was able to spend more time with her and got her where she needed to be on that. My giving her up had not ONE thing to do with my frustration that night. Does anyone else want to pass judgement now? No one on this forum has EVER been frustrated??

Wow you guys!!!!!!!! Read my update post, will ya? and read my response to the lady that so happily felt the need to throw me under the bus and made me look like such a BADDDDDDD PERSON!!! Sorry I'm not as perfect of a mommy as you all are! Considering I'm the only one here that has ever been THAT frustrated. Do any of you work????????? How were things when you had to potty train them, work, AND be the only person to look after them???? How were things then? Successful??????? No frustration????? Right! It was just me! Irregardless of what you think of me it's only obvious that I love my babies with all my heart. I didn't go thru this many years with all of them because I hated them. I didn't do as I threatened to do back in July. (nor could I have!!! In a million years! I was what they call VENTING! That's all!) So if everyone wants to pick me apart, go ahead. Whatever you want to do.

UPDATE!!!!!

Lori63;2924519]This is an update on my 12 yo. I kept her afterall but ended up finding her a good home just 3 days ago. We did move and I brought her along. She surprised me and did well here, at least as best as she could. As it turns out and after many trips to the vet, I found out that she was having an issue that was causing her to pee the way she was peeing. She had a UTI twice! Her health began to deteriorate and after having tried to give the vets in my area chance after chance to fix her so that I could keep her and we could all be happy again, they failed us both. Miserably!! I spent all that I had to get her help. I've been unemployed for almost 5 months now and there's no one hiring anywhere near me. Living on a measly unemployment check to pay it all. Savannah needed health care. She was going out and doing her business and I would praise her and give her treats and it became a game to her. She knew if she went out and even dribbled she'd go in and get a treat. But I'd find dribbles in the floor and the towel in her box soaked. Her urine reeked of cat urine. The vet told me she had a high ph in her urine and that was it!!!! She had also developed a cough that the vet told me not to worry about! Yes! they were horrible people!!!!!! You go looking for answers and these are the answers you get!!!! Right now she is with an older lady that has nothing but time, money and patience. I am immensely heartbroken, having cried for the last 3 days virtually non-stop. I miss her more than I ever imagined I would. I've said this before but I've never had an animal test me to the limits she tested me. In the end tho, I did all that I could to help her and keep her with me. She was a very loving part of our family and was worth all that I endured. I will always, always miss her!!!

From reading your posts, I feel that you did the right thing for your baby, she is now getting the medical attention that she needs. I know it has to be hard for you to let her go, but you need to let her go. She is getting the care now that you were unable to provide by no fault of yours. Think of her and the benefits she will get from this, not how your heart is hurting. In time that will get better. If you take her back is she going to be anybetter off than she was before you rehomed her? She needs the medical attention and it will only get worse as she ages. Please take comfort in knowing you did the right thing by finding her a new home. Have a Merry Christmas!!!

It sounds to me like your financial is still not good. But you said the two you have left also have health issues that you cannot afford. Have you taken either of those two in to the vet yet?

You did what WAS and still IS best for her.

If I were the one that took her in, I would not give her back to you either.

I have compassion for your situation, but for you to hassle this woman about getting her back, that is where I draw the line with my compassion.

It's Christmas day....alone and up early and just read this whole thread. First - I want to commend Ging444 for her generous offer. That was so so sweet ....

2nd - As bad as I was feeling for you - I have to say the post above seems to explain more than this thread. I'm sorry you had such a bad time with your yorkies but - it now seems you did make the right decision. I know you feel bad but I also feel your frustration may have played a role in the behaviour plus the fact that many older dogs DO have potty issues. IT could have been illness or stress they were feeling your frustration. If I were you - I think I'd wish all the best for her and hopefully she has a few more years of love in her life. I don;t think the downsides of having a pet outweighs the good. If you felt that way then ....she really is in a better place....

All the best to you - Merry Christmas

This is what I don't understand. So many people come on YT wanting advice, but when they get it they lash out on the other people for being "rude". These YT members are giving you their honest, truthful opinion. If you wanted a sugar coated answer then I'm sorry to say, but you are posting on the wrong website.

And how you believe that someone with a love with animals is not a REAL person? ..this makes no sense. :confused:

I didnt mean it that way, I told you I DO feel bad for you - I had almost posted to you that I was in your same position after my husband died - not because my girls did anything that upset me but I worried day and night if I could provide the care and financial things they needed. It's not a good feeling I know.

I am NOT judging you - I just feel you had some underlying issues going on .... I do wish you all the best and also your pets. There was nothing mean in what I said - just an opinion and only because it did seem you had some major frustrations going on. It still doesn't change the fact that you're missing her. I can totally understand that.

My guess is, the woman you gave her to is not going to let you just waltz in and take her back.

When one loves their animal, they do what is best for the animal. Giving her to someone who colud afford to take care of her was good, wanting to take her back, not so good.

Remember she is still going to have the same issues when you get her back, the same reasons that you gave her away. your financial situation has not changed. You still hve two other dogs that need to see the vet.

Why not focus on doing what is best for them. And be greatful to this other person for giving your girl a nice home

ps. I am NOT a stupid person.

I did read your whole thread.

Matter of fact it crossed my mind to send you something because I HAVE been in your situation financially - still am ...but not to the degree I was when I lost my husband.

The reason I bolded some of your comments in RED is because those were the statements I didn't understand. I love my girls and HAVE gone without eating to keep them taken care of ....but taking them to a shelter or putting them to sleep is an option that never in a million years would even cross my mind.

There are always alternatives and while not everyone can deal with the issues you dealt with - those are the 2 that I found deplorable even if you did say it out of frustration. So again - you did the right thing.

all the best to you. I hope you find peace in your decision whatever it is.

Just out of my own sick curiosity, I found myself back on here to see how many people would or would not see that some of you have attacked me and see that I had the right to defend myself. I found your post and since it was that of [U]some[U] compassion, felt I would respond. The woman that has Savannah DID, in fact tell me that I was welcome to come and get her if I felt i needed to. So, yes, i CAN just waltz in there if I want....not to say that I will. All I ever needed from all of you were your opinions, given all that you were able to read from ALL of my posts. It's fine that my post from July was brought into this. Though I am, most assuredly ashamed that I allowed myself to get that flustered to say the things I said that night. I cannot take it back once it's been said. I am only human and we all have said MANY, MANY things out of anger, frustration, sadness, grief, any and every emotion we could feel that we later regretted. We have also done things out of love that we were not wise or down right stupid that we have also regretted. It was words. Words and that's all. Words typed on a keyboard. She has always known that I loved her above everything! Listen, I made it clear even in my updated post that Savannah tested me to my limits more times that I can even count. She did. She did some of the most disgusting things that sent me hurling out of my home more times than I could count. For example: She would go outside and poop and the other 2 would be out there as well. She would turn right around and eat hers and then go and eat theirs if I didn't manage to stop her in time. Then later on inside she would begin to vomit and she vomited liquid (thick) poop!!! It looked as tho someone had just crapped in my floor, carpet or whatever she did this in. There are many utterly disgusting things I could share but why?? You all would never understand this unless you have endured it. This is one event that happened that night in July to me. So in saying that, I did and do love her despite it all. She was mine! and disgusting habits, hardships or good times I loved her for all that she was to me, and meant to me and the joy that she DID give me. My 'hate'/love comment concerning her was a deplorable thing to say as well as the fact that my only alternative was to put her to sleep. Though I could and would never do that, makes it that much of a horrible thing to say. That was indeed wrong and I can understand how all could be confused. But as I said, it was a moment of frustration when I said the wrong thing. I NEVER hated her. It was a poor choice of words at a bad moment.
Jeanie, thank you for your advice. You told me all that I needed to know in the above post and I appreciate that you smoothed your words this time. Everyone has good advice and all valid. I'm sorry that I made anyone think I needed a soft sell to get thru to me. It wasn't that at all. I just wish all of you could understand how I feel and understand that it is Christmas. It's already a crappy one for me being laid off with money issues- so NO Christmas for me at all. But then, I'm having to deal without her and it's all just over-whelming. Thank you all for your advice good or bad, hateful and kind. I appreciate you all taking the time to help me.
Merry Christmas and many blessings to everyone!!!!

I never understood why people post these types questions...my dogs are my responsiblity..I ask God to guide me in making wise choices regarding them...then I make the decision..I do consult a vet or dog friends for medical advise...but all other decisions are mine and mine alone. People can not and do not know your life and situation..and no one can know your heart and emotions..?

Why care what others think if you think you have done what is best for your pet..and if you have not done what is best..then learn from the mistake and do not make it again...

Crappy Christmas is a state of mind...people had wonderful Christmas's before Walmart,K-mart, Macy's and the mall...
Best wishes...

:thumbup::thumbup:

I feel bad when people believe that it takes money to make a good Christmas.
Here in the midwest we are having a blizzard, Many families, including my own have had to change their plans.

I have a refrigerator full of food, and a beautiful table set, and no one is able to get here. But I was able to talk to them all and I am happy that they are all safe and well.

I could moan and complain how Christmas was ruined, but what good would it do. They will all make it here eventually Christmas is in your heart, not in a package under the tree.

[QUOTE=JeanieK;2927759]:thumbup::t

"I have a refrigerator full of food..."

Half the world would love a full belly today, let alone food for the week..Nothing else needs to be said....

OMG!!!! Do you all stop for 2 seconds before assuming what I do and don't mean before you begin to type????????????? I just said it was crappy. I couldn't care less if there are presents under my tree. It's not and never was about what I was or wasn't getting for Christmas!!!!!!!!!! How could you be soooo cold and on CHRISTMAS none the less!!!??? I do NOT have a refrigerator full of food so to the last lady that posted....I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE!!!!!! I don't have a beautiful table set for myself let alone anyone else!!! I still took the time to thank everyone for their advice and wished you all a wonderful and blessed Christmas and what did I get for that? More blood thirsty, unthoughtful, cold and shallow people who want to tell me what Christmas means to them?????????????? And shame on me for not being able to find joy in this!!!??? Well, ya know what? I would rather sit here with the heart that I possess than to ever be as cold and ruthless as some of you. The truth is, you last posters don't understand the meaning of Christmas at all!!!

I understand about the decision making. I wont ask you all again for anything. As far as YOUR interpretation of what I meant about a crappy Christmas. You are wayyyyyyyyy offff on that one! I've responded to it. Not doing it again.

I am new to this forum so I do not have any pre-set ideas about you, but seriously, if your dog was constantly eating poop, throwing up, etc. that means she needed to see a vet then. That is not normal. She wasn't doing it just to squick you out. You sound like you were mad at her - why? It wasn't her fault at all.

Sometimes we have to ask ourselves is what we really love is the animal (which would be a selfless love where you want what's best for the pet, even if that isn't you and your home) or if we what we love is the emotions we get from having the pet around (where you want the animal with you no matter what and it's about yourself, not the pet). If you truly love the animal, you're happy if they're with someone who can provide them with top notch care as well as love, even if you personally do not like the person, or the person is not nice to you.

This is getting almost funny that I have to keep explaining WHAT I MEAN every 2 seconds on here!!!! I did NOT even insinuate that I was mad. I simply said I was sent hurling out of my house by the look and smell of it. MEANING: I have a weak stomach and I can't stand the smell or looks of runny crap! Didn't say she MEANT to gross me out, just said it grossed me out. 2: Since when is coprophagia a symptom of a disease? Every wild animal has eat their own poop!!!! They're animals, they do those things!!! Could they get ill if they eat the poop of a diseased or sick animal???? Heck yeah! But she ate hers and my other 2 dogs poop. They aren't sick and diseased and believe it or not, she was fine other than having a UTI infection. Not due to that. She was to the vet and she HAD been seen! I never said she did this all the time. She went thru spells where she did it on occasions and other times she would do it for days, but then she'd stop. And as for your comment that dogs that eat poop isn't normal, you don't know a whole lot! Check your facts before you give false information! It's very common!

If I were in your situation, and I know that it could happen to just about anyone ( Right now I am on disability and would be in bad shape if it were not for the help of my BF ), I would leave Savannah with the lady who can afford to take her to the vet and give her the care she deserves, even though it is difficult and you miss her, that would be the unselfiish thing to do and in the best interest of the dog. You have 2 other dogs that are getting up there in age and all animals need vet care regularly, let alone the extra expensive you may have to incur with an elder pet who might one day need more involved vet care.

First I am sorry you are so heartsick. I have had to give up beloved cats due to hubby and dtr being allergic so I have felt the pain.
I did want to note coprophagia can be a symptom of a disease. From
Coprophagia | Cat and Dog Behavior and Veterinarian Care

"When adult dogs begin to eat stools, it may also be due to malabsorption of nutrients or nutritional deficiencies. In addition, any condition that might cause an increase in appetite or an unusual appetite, such as diabetes, Cushing’s disease, thyroid disease, or treatment with certain drugs such as steroids may lead to an increase in stool eating. Dogs that are placed on extreme calorie restricted or poorly balanced diets may also begin to eat their stools"

I am no means saying these were the probs but just be aware. I personally feel the dog is in a better place now. If I took in a dog for someone and bonded I would have a hard problem giving it back, esp if I thought the same problems were still there. I have 3 dogs now, the oldest at 3 yrs. Luckily with hubby and I both working and credit cards (and family) we have the money to get any help our dogs need. With Gypsy's joint problems I fear it will get to be a large amt. This is in a time when we are asking our dr for generic drugs cause we can not afford some of the newer meds. You have to do what is best for your animals even if it means heartbreak for you.

Thank you, Darlene for your thoughts on it. It's very much appreciated.
Merry Christmas!

Lori, we are all concerned with the health of your puppy. The best thing that you did was to relinquish the pup to the vet. If you had kept your puppy and were not able to get the proper care for the puppy, what do you think would have happened? Your puppy would have died. Now your puppy has a chance to get the vet care that it needs. Yes, I can understand your anger and frustration in not being able to get the puppy back, but you did the right thing. You will at least be able to take comfort in the fact that the puppy did not die. And someone will adopt Savannah and give her the medical care that she needs. I'm not one of those do-gooders or someone who knows-it-all. I am just a person who cares dearly for my pets and if something ever happened to one of these dogs and I couldn't afford the treatment, I would in heartbeat give them up so they can get the vet care that they need. I would be devastated and miss them with all my heart, but I would know that they would be getting the care that they needed.

Please try having a happy holiday and give hugs and kisses to your puppies.

Cyndi

Happy Holidays to you as well! I wish you knew how much I meant that at this moment :).

I'm going to close this thread both because I see a lot of miscommunication going on...and I think that bodes badly for more miscommunication....and bc I don't really want there to be anymore hurt feelings over this situation...especially today. I hope everyone understands.

I sincerely wish you the best.