Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2924285)

Yes but there is very few dogs that could take on a pitt and win. Maybe he dosent even leave them alone together I dont know never said he did but even if your there and a pitt or other dog with like jaws decideds to go for your dog one bite could kill them weather your there or not.

Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2924542)

My impression from watching the show is that the dogs are mingling together throughout the day, but I think there is staff and/or Cesar there. Then when it's sun down, he brings the little ones indoors. I'm not sure what he does with the larger dogs at that point, but I have seen all the tiny dogs in their crates/beds indoors. I would bet that his pack is never left unsupervised because there are almost always dogs there that are being rehabilitated.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2924555)

Yep! I've seen lots of times where the smaller dogs are in a separate gated off section from the larger dogs. You always see staff working there, too. And actually, the woman who owned the "evil" Chi named NuNu (very first DW episode) now works as part of his staff! I don't know if you saw that episode.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2924436)

I think you have to know your pitt bull. and know that he wil not react violently no matter what.

Not all can be trusted, but not all "can't be trusted either.

I know or an incident where one yorkie killed another. they got into a fight the owner was gone and they fought to the death.

Imagine how horrible, to come home to that.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2922809)

I dont know really anything about him. My mom loves him but I looked at a family picture of him and his family and pets and he has a pitbull and I'm sorry no matter how good or a trainer you are I dont think you should have a young child and a pitbull. I think its just asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2922809)

I dont know really anything about him. My mom loves him but I looked at a family picture of him and his family and pets and he has a pitbull and I'm sorry no matter how good or a trainer you are I dont think you should have a young child and a pitbull. I think its just asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by C101Yorkie (Post 2924628)

Yep, they're always separated when no one's there to supervise.

And Tina (NuNu's owner) doesn't work for him anymore. She started her own business walking dogs. :)

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2924812)

WOW:eek::eek::mad:
I get SO ANGRY at this type of stereotypical response. That is the basic type of thing that I heard when I was looking for my Yorkie. "Oh No WAY!! You have Greyhounds!! They kill everything small and fuzzy!!"

Ahh, ya, whatever!!

People need to do their research before sticking their foot in their mouth.

Let me say this for some of you all real slow... **sorry not all** just a figure of speech

D*O*G*S* LIKE PEOPLE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES!! Some are mean, all breeds,just like races, have a lot of problems, just some are worse than others...***OH MY** I just saw a white person with a bald head..I know he is with the skin heads..** Please...just makes me ashamed to think that someone that is into their dogs and care enough about their dogs to belong to a forum, about their dog, would be so closed minded.

I have Greyhounds. My three littles are in a crate when I leave. NOT because I worry about the greyhounds getting them, I worry about the owls and coyotes.

Believe me, the littles keep the Greys in line.

About Cesar: He is a basic good trainer. But his method of training is more for the bully breeds. I would be hard pressed to out a Grey in a submissive back roll. The grey would be emotionally scared for life. They are just to gentle for that. Remember that you have to take into consideration that not all of anyones methods are for every situation. You have to use some uhhnghum,**throat clear** common sense.

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2924810)

WOW:eek::eek::mad:
I get SO ANGRY at this type of stereotypical response. That is the basic type of thing that I heard when I was looking for my Yorkie. "Oh No WAY!! You have Greyhounds!! They kill everything small and fuzzy!!"

Ahh, ya, whatever!!

People need to do their research before sticking their foot in their mouth.

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2924812)

D*O*G*S* LIKE PEOPLE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES!! Some are mean, all breeds,just like races, have a lot of problems, just some are worse than others...***OH MY** I just saw a white person with a bald head..I know he is with the skin heads..** Please...just makes me ashamed to think that someone that is into their dogs and care enough about their dogs to belong to a forum, about their dog, would be so closed minded.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2925071)

Seriously. Sorry that you cant see that I am doing what I think is best for my dog and me. There are several people on this board who feel the same way about pitbulls! Its not cuz omg all pitbulls are evil and mean. Its because pitbulls have strong jaws and even when playing can really injure a smaller dog by even a play bite. Dogs nip when playing sometimes and a big dog nip on a little dog is going to be worse then a big dog nip on a big dog.

Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2925283)

How about a little dog nip on a big dog? I had a cocker spaniel tear my Rottweiler/Black Lab's back leg APART 14 yrs ago resulting in an 1,800 dollar surgery. Her leg never was the same. Ya know...that woman didn't even apologize for what her dog did? All my dog was doing was walking through the park on leash, her's was off leash and decided to attack for no reason.

I really think that we have to be cautious of ALL unfamiliar dogs around our pets. You can't just say "only big dogs", or "only pitbulls". I went to pet a 3 lb yorkie at my son's school the other day. That dog bit me 10 times in about 3 seconds flat. Yes, he did break the skin. If you don't know a dog and it's temperament, be careful!

I've known one pitbull personally in my life. If any pit should have been unruly, it would have been that one. It's owners were very irresponsible and didn't take very good care of him (or themselves), BUT that dog was the sweetest little lovey dove ever. He LOVED people, especially children, and lived with me for a few months. At that time I owned a bird, a lizard, a hedgehog, a cat, and 2 dogs. He was great!

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2925071)

Seriously. Sorry that you cant see that I am doing what I think is best for my dog and me. There are several people on this board who feel the same way about pitbulls! Its not cuz omg all pitbulls are evil and mean. Its because pitbulls have strong jaws and even when playing can really injure a smaller dog by even a play bite. Dogs nip when playing sometimes and a big dog nip on a little dog is going to be worse then a big dog nip on a big dog.

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 2922817)

well i now give him Two :thumbdown:thumbdown because of the pitbull + yorkie + child dynamic he apparently has going.

Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2922837)

I worship the ground Cesar walks on, and I'm not afraid to admit it. :D

If anyone could have a pitbull around children (or a yorkie), it would be Cesar. His pitbull "Daddy" is the best :thumbup: You really can't ban the breed ...

"One of Daddy’s remarkable traits is his extreme tolerance for smaller dogs. He allows them to do whatever they want to him"
Daddy | Cesar Millan

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2922947)

Where did you hear he has a yorkie because Ive never heard that

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2923055)

I like Cesar because I think he has a great balance. He has NO issues allowing a human to treat a dog like a baby or a human, as long as you treat him as a dog first, then breed, then human. He doesn't think letting dogs sleep on the bed is a problem (Victoria usually treats this as a huge no-no in episodes I've seen). His dogs clearly love him and it's very noticeable on television. Dogs don't "act" on TV and fake showing him love. He views his dogs as part of his family but he gives them structure at the same time. Just like raising kids... you should be their parent first, then friend, and they need discipline. It's no different. I think people take the term "dominate" the wrong way. The definition of dominate is exercising influence or control. Simple as that.

He generally speaking works with dogs that have some major issues, whether it be guarding, aggression, fear, etc so he's not aiming to teach the typical sit-stay-down behavior. People say he's all negative but it's just not true. Every dog is different for him and he never only uses ONE method. He never comes in and tries to dominate a dog that's terrified of everything for example. I've seen plenty of episodes where he uses food as a method to make something positive.

I, for one, have raised Jackson on a lot of Cesar's simple methods. Exercise, discipline and affection in that order. Jackson's honestly a great dog and I'm not just saying that. He hardly ever causes any trouble. He loves every dog he meets, never has growled, bit, showed his teeth, or done anything of the sorts to me or anyone because he knows better. He walks right beside me on the leash with no issues, he can walk past a dog and care less, a lot of issues I see in other dogs, he just doesn't have. He's very shy with strangers which I've been working on but if people just ignore him and follow Cesar's "no touch, no talk, no eye contact" he's absolutely fine. In general, I owe his behavior to Cesar because I started watching his show the week before I got him.

Bottom line -- I think that every single dog is going to be different and a method that works for one dog may not work for another and he knows that. Nobody is ever going to agree on how to raise a dog, or how to raise a kid, and I think the only thing we can do is agree to disagree and do the best we can. :thumbup:

I don't think anybody can deny he's a good person, cares deeply for his dogs and every dog, he seems like a wonderful father and husband, and he's helped out thousands of dogs from euthanized, he's supported rescue organizations and aimed to stop puppy mills. He's done a lot for the dogs of the world and I don't think anybody can deny him that.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2923605)

It’s a golden summer morning in California, and the dogs are getting restless. I can hear the kids giggling in the yard, and a symphony of swallows outside the kitchen window. Like every other day for the past 15 years, I am making Daddy’s breakfast.

He watches as I knead the gloppy mixture with my hands: warm chopped beef from the farm down the road, a handful of fresh herbs from the garden, and some boiled green beans, sliced into thirds. It takes me a while, but it’s a ritual I try not to rush.Knead the beef, add the greens, sprinkle in the herbs—knead, knead, knead. Make it soft, make it easy for him to eat.

Daddy is an old, old man now. He can’t do stairs anymore, and he’ll pretty much only eat his food if I prepare it. When his breakfast is ready, I take it over to him on the floor where he’s been eyeing me. I do my “come and get it” dance, whisper the words only he and I know, and place the bowl in front of him. He raises his head slightly, sniffs the air, and thumps his tail a few times, but otherwise stays put. Clearly, he wants more dancing. But it only takes a few moves before he’s on his feet, slopping away.

I have never had a dog like Daddy. During our decade and a half on this earth together, I’ve been astounded by his intuition, consoled by his affection, and awed by his silent empathy. Somewhere along the way, he helped my sons learn to walk.

I know there’ll be a morning sometime soon when I run through all my familiar routines, except one.

But it won’t be today. For now, the sun is shining, the kids are laughing, the swallows are singing, and Daddy is watching over us all.

-Cesar Millan


(Just thought it was a really sweet article. Pits are peoples pets, too, just like our Yorkies. And I think we should respect that.)

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2924810)

WOW:eek::eek::mad:
I get SO ANGRY at this type of stereotypical response. That is the basic type of thing that I heard when I was looking for my Yorkie. "Oh No WAY!! You have Greyhounds!! They kill everything small and fuzzy!!"

Ahh, ya, whatever!!

People need to do their research before sticking their foot in their mouth.

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2925522)

I am not sure where my reply went, I hope I didn't just miss it.

I think that you are being very judgmental. Sounds like a form of segregation.

I have to watch my Jack Russell so she does not hurt the Greys. JR's are also known as being so hyper. I have nothing but great things to say about this breed, when there was so much negativity on them not so many years ago. Her only problem is she is TOO SMART!!

Many years ago: about 25, Cocker Spaniels were known for being the the worst dog bitters. They at the time put it off to the ratio of Cockers that were owned as pets. Wonder what the ratio of pittys as pets is compared with the bite ratio?

I am not in any way saying that ALL pittys are bad. Sure just like any breed there are bad and GOOD!

If you took about half of the Yorkies and left them outside, all the time, unsocialized, they might end up in as bad of mental shape as the pittys!

But because of the PRICE of a good Yorkie, most will take better care of them than that. Yorkies are not a dime a dozen at the pound like the pitty...

If you are "scared" when you meet one: THEY WILL SENSE IT!

All I ask as a DOG LOVER, is that you refrain from making blanket statements. How many pittys have you come in contact with that you can say that you would never have that dangerous dog? How many pittys have bitten you/yours? That was the problem that I had with the greyhounds. NO!!!! My Greys do not eat anything little and fuzzy...They all get along well. The littles love them and they love the littles.

Am I the alpha? No, but I am in charge. I have 11 dogs around here at any given time. I have to be in charge.

Check in the actual biting force of a German Shepherd. Last I read, their jaw force was more than the pitty.

I will look and see if I can find that research.

Originally Posted by Lula-Mae Famous (Post 2925918)

[F was thinking the same thing about greyhounds. When walking greyhounds we would to warn each other “SMALL WHITE DOG!” … talk about trained to kill.

ANY large dog could kill your little baby with one bite. ANY!
You could also die in a car accident or get struck by lightning tomorrow.

Sure you could stay indoors all day and have all the irrational fears you want. Perhaps you could even draw a little mustache on your top lip and have all the pitbulls of the world euthanized by perpetuating their “killer” reputation. It doesn’t effect you any, so why would you care?

I used to assist in a pitbull foster home. These dogs were not taken out of good homes with good owners. These dogs came in so terrified of people due to severe abuse that they would rather starve than step foot by a human with food. I never for a second hated these dogs; I can assure you that I have nothing but contempt for their previous owners.
It infuriates me that you could hate the breed just as racists and bigots infuriate me.
Have you ever stopped to think that by perpetuating the reputation as killers you are encouraging the “bad owners” who would want such a dog to seek one out. Do you think Mr. Thug down the street wants a soft cuddly couch potato? No, he wants a bad ass killer. But it doesn’t effect you at all….
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[F as for Caesar, some like him and some don’t. I do not have cable so I have only seen a couple of shows online. I have not seen any of this Victoria lady’s show. Either way these two people are bringing together pets with owners that are on the edge of giving up. I can’t condemn either for that.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2925986)

Everybody is judgemental about something and I just dont want to take the chance. But I'm not found of german shepherd to much either but with reason (when I lived with my parents) we had one and she dug into the goat pin killing one of our baby goats and injured another and she used to mouth my wrists and stuff all the time. I guess I have an anxiety about all big dogs because of strength and knowing that at least a smaller dog is weaker then me and I could defend myself if I had to. I am not saying all are evil I know lots of big dogs who are great but there is an anxiety there with most.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2926004)

I don't mean this offensively, but obviously you guys didn't take the time to teach the GSD not to mouth, bite, etc. They're working dogs who require a ton of mental stimulation, training and exercise or they're going to find other things to do with their time. I know because we as a family owned a German Shepherd for 3 years and didn't understand the breed at all, she ended up being put down because she attacked a stranger who unexpectedly came onto our property. Huge mistake on our part -- not the dogs fault by any means. I don't think you can blame the breed for humans mistake.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2926008)

I am not blaming anyone we feel a lot of guilt on us because of that and we didnt know anything about the breed a family at our church adopted her and didnt want her anymore and neither did anyone else so my mom being very animal loving took her in.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2926037)

I totally understand, because as I said, we made the same mistake. But I don't dislike German Shepherds because of OUR bad experience with one which was purely our fault. You had stated "But I'm not found of german shepherd to much either but with reason" but I don't think that's a good enough reason. On the other hand, I totally get where your coming from because a lot of people have a fear of big dogs and certain breeds. I don't think there's anything wrong with that per say. You can't change what your afraid of. I just don't think it's fair to state your not fond of the GSD breed because you had one that mouthed you and killed your goat. Your supposed to give a German Shepherd pup 100+ positive experiences a day for a puppy and they require extensive socialization. I wish we had known that prior to getting our GS pup but unfortunately, we didn't do our research. She was a wonderful family dog and super smart and I so wish we would have trained her properly. I miss that dog.

My aunt's pit is 8 years old but was socialized highly as a puppy and adult. She always made sure to put her hand in his bowl as a pup, getting him used to it, he's wonderful with children and all people, he's great with dogs. A socialized Pit makes all the difference in the world. When you own such a powerful breed, you've always gotta be on top of them. You truly have to be their LEADER and can't ever let them take control. That's why I'd never own such a powerful breed, I don't think I'm strong enough mentally. You've gotta build trust and respect.

Originally Posted by greyacresmom (Post 2925522)

I am not sure where my reply went, I hope I didn't just miss it.

I think that you are being very judgmental. Sounds like a form of segregation.

I have to watch my Jack Russell so she does not hurt the Greys. JR's are also known as being so hyper. I have nothing but great things to say about this breed, when there was so much negativity on them not so many years ago. Her only problem is she is TOO SMART!!

Many years ago: about 25, Cocker Spaniels were known for being the the worst dog bitters. They at the time put it off to the ratio of Cockers that were owned as pets. Wonder what the ratio of pittys as pets is compared with the bite ratio?

I am not in any way saying that ALL pittys are bad. Sure just like any breed there are bad and GOOD!

If you took about half of the Yorkies and left them outside, all the time, unsocialized, they might end up in as bad of mental shape as the pittys!

But because of the PRICE of a good Yorkie, most will take better care of them than that. Yorkies are not a dime a dozen at the pound like the pitty...

If you are "scared" when you meet one: THEY WILL SENSE IT!

All I ask as a DOG LOVER, is that you refrain from making blanket statements. How many pittys have you come in contact with that you can say that you would never have that dangerous dog? How many pittys have bitten you/yours? That was the problem that I had with the greyhounds. NO!!!! My Greys do not eat anything little and fuzzy...They all get along well. The littles love them and they love the littles.

Am I the alpha? No, but I am in charge. I have 11 dogs around here at any given time. I have to be in charge.

Check in the actual biting force of a German Shepherd. Last I read, their jaw force was more than the pitty.

I will look and see if I can find that research.