Can not take it anymore unable to house break
 

I have a 7 month old female Yorkie I can not house break. She doesn't have any problems holding herself all not, but during the day she pees/poops in the house, in her small kennel. I take her outside she comes back in to do her business. I have a new house and a 5 yr old male who is totally house broken. I have had dogs my whole life and have NEVER had this problem.

I told my husband to find her a home where someone is home all day. I HAVE HAD IT WITH HER. But I feel like bad mom.

Advice...

i found that yorkies are really hard to train and that it is an ongoing process. I have three who are pee pad trained and outdoors also. and my male is strictly an outdoor trained. It took me 9 mos. with all to get them trained, but I still will find surprises every now and then with my two young females. Especially carpets! And yes, I am home all day. I believe alot of it is out of spite. I notice when they do have their accidents, it's when I go out for the day and when i get home I will let them out and as soon as I let them in one of them will go in the house.

Thanks for your posted. I am just frustrated. I have never had a dog that as not trained by 7 months.

My 16 month old Joey and 11 month old Tank still have the occasional accident, as hard as we try to be perfect. They are alone about 6 hours per day, during which they are locked in one of our bathrooms. They sometimes pee or poop in the bathroom, but I really can't expect them to hold it so long, so they don't get in trouble for that. I just have to mop the bathroom almost every night. when I was having lots of trouble getting them to stop pooping in the house (they don't pee unless they're locked in the bathroom - odd), I got a few comments on here that have really helped my husband and me to get the boys better potty trained.
I've been told that they could be getting so excited to be outside that they forget they have to go, then when it hits them that they do in fact need to go, they don't have time to let you know. If you take them out once for 15 to 20 mins, then again about 15 mins after you go inside, you can generally catch it. It took about 2 weeks of this with my boys until we drastically cut down on the pooping in the house. They now do it maybe once to three times per week, but we are continuing to work on it. I wish you and your little one the best of luck!

That is true...probably should have mentioned that...I've read in many places that they are one of the hardest breeds to housetrain. Very good point, Couver's mom!

Dogs can hold it all night because urine production slows down at night, don't use the same schedule during the day as you would at night. Do you keep her in a kennel all day and expect her to hold it? This is not going to work. I really feel badly for the dog, because they hate too poop and pee in their kennel and have to be in dire need and pain before they will do it. Most people who leave for the day, put the dog in an x-pen with a pee pad, and allow them to relieve themselves when necessary. You can build up to 8 hours a day in a kennel, but that's not much of a life for a dog. It sounds like you need to figure out exactly what you want and how much time you want to invest in reading about training techniques. Basically you have taught her that the kennel is where she must relieve herself. To reteach her you will have to do several things such as cleaning the kennel thoroughly, with a special enzyme cleaner, making the kennel small enough so that there is only room enough to stand up turn around. The most important step is to take her out of the kennel every couple of hours and place her in the spot where you want her to poop and pee. Then she would be allowed free time, where you watch her closely, and then back in the kennel. This usually trains them in a week. It sounds like you are expecting too much if she is to wait all day. At this age she could probably hold it 4 hours, but she hasn't been trained to do that yet. I think this is a great site, and it has step by step methods. Free House Training for Puppies and Adult Dogs - No More Accidents Starting Today!

Imagine how she feels
 

Has something changed in your household? You mention a new house, could that be it? I had finally trained my girl and she was house broken for months. I was so happy and sure she would never do it in the house again. Through pouring rain, hot-mosquito filled days, snow storms and all in between she would wait and do it outside. I was so surprised that even as a baby she would hold it ALLLL night.

Well...I had a great idea one day, a brother for my little girl! Along came my baby boy Nicky. Nini (my girl), DID NOT think my idea was so great and she let me know it by pooping and peeing any where, all over inside the house and IN FRONT OF MY FACE! Yes, while I watched in disbelieve and in total shock.

It took me about 3-4? weeks of letting her know that a new brother does not mean she is not my princess any more. It took patience and retraining. I know how you feel, it's frustrating. I wanted to scream and would get so angry with her and myself. But, what helped me breath normally again was to realize what she means to me, that a carpet can be cleaned and most of all, that she was FEELING too. Feeling scared, confused, unloved?

Remember that they know when you're angry, but can't understand why. Instead of getting angry at Nini when she went in the house, I would not let it get the best of me, clean it up and forget it. Then, I would wait until she did it outside (not because she meant to, but because she happened to be outside when the urge came) and I would celebrate it by kissing, hugging and playing with her until she starting going outside exclusively again.

Is a work in progress (she can relapse) because she's still jealous of her brother, but it's getting better every day.

So, Pleeeease, pretty please, figure out what happened that made your baby so unsure of herself that she's seeking your attention in that way. And be patient:aimeeyork

I swear, Nancy, you find the BEST links! That one is great..thank you! :)

Excellent advice.
I do not sell to people that work all day no one home longer than 5 or 6 hours. Different work shifts can work if everyone is on the same page.
I also think people have to realize these are small dogs, small bladders and bowels. GEtting them to hold it too long can do irreparable damage. Ever think of that? Try drinking a couple of cups of coffee and locking yourself out of the bathroom for 8 hours, see how you would fair.
I would much prefer Nancy's suggestion of an xpen with wee wee pads, bed, some water, food, toys.
Keep them in a crate all day while at work they get to look at four walls of a tiny crate. Heck of a way to spend a day after sleeping in the crate all night.

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CouverMom - I have had 4 Yorkies in my life I know the breed very well.

She is alone about 4 hours then is let out and out again within about 3 hours. She is the only dog I had tried keep puppy pad trained and outside trained because at times it would be easy for her to use the pad because we RV, but I think it has confused her.

We did move recently and I know she could be confused, but you would think she would take clues from my other male Yorkie who goes on command.

I don't know the answer....I hate being so frustrated with her.

Thanks for the link Nancy!

I feel your frustration... When you let her outside after you get home maybe you just need to go out with her? Just stand there and don't say anything then when she pee's give tones of praise. Remember you only have to stand there about 4 seconds longer than she can hold it :p

Also buy yourself a great cleaner, I find I'm less frustrated when I know that my house is clean... so if I know that after puppy has pee'd and it's clean clean I can move on. (we doggie sit and have lot's of dogs/puppies that are stressed, or even sometimes not trained)

Yes Yorkies do have a reputation of being difficult to house train BUT... they have tiny pee's and poops:p

I was just going to post, about Shay (7months also) falling off the wagon, so to speak..lol..we were sailing along, using the peepads, doing awesome, then......ugggggh! feel like we are back to day one, he actually, walked by the liter box, with fresh pee pad in it and continued to look at me and pee in front of the fridgerator, this afternoon...

I work from home, so no problem there, we have a nice large kennel in kitchen, with an exercise pen, that when I am here all day I just put accross door way in kitchen, when I go out, I move the pen and make his lil area, so he is safe....in evenings we bring him in the living room with us and have our play time and some more cuddle time (we get in alot of cuddle time during the day too)..lol..well last night when I feel he may have to go, I took him back to kitchen (open floor plan so he is where I can see him practically anywhere)..he walked into his kennel and proceded to look at me and pee all over his pillow...

I think he is trying to making a point, just not sure what it is...maybe to much attention? not enough? (not sure how that could be, since I am here talking and cuddling during the day)

Okay I am winded, and your thinking STOP already..lol..but HELP!

Sorry to hear of your frustration but do know what you are going through.
I have had 3 yorkies and never had any problems housebreaking my first 2.
This one, Abby, however is quite another story. She is doing better now though still has an occasional accident. The one thing she does do is she will pee in her crate if I put her in and go away for a while. For instance, I take her out before I go away so she can pee, she does her duty, I bring her back in, put her in her crate, leave and might be gone an hour or two, come home and sometimes she has peed in her crate:eek:. I don't know but it seems as though she is getting back at me for leaving her. I know dogs probably don't do that but it sure seems that way:).
Well, I hope things start to get better for you and your little one. Just have to have a lot of patience.:)
Take care.

Ooooh. I guess I have company.
With Abby it seems to be one step forward and 2 steps back.
She will be doing good for quite sometime and then we take 2 steps back:( I hope she "grows" out of it.:)

lil Abby is simply adorable!!! I am hoping Shay grows out of it too! with going up North, this weekend, I so wanted him to have it all down pat, my parents are older and not really dog ppl, but I know they will fall in love with my lil Shay, well ummmm until he has an accident on there floor...ugggh!

Thank you loveshay.
Your little Shay is adorable!

I can feel your frustration, trust me I was there last Winter with Sophie Kate. She was around 7 or 8 months old and still not getting the potty training routine.

I know in my case it was mostly my fault, I was not being consistant with her. The members of Yorkie Talk all gave me really good advice and I followed it all and finally about a year old she got it. I almost was like a bell went off in her head and she got with the program.

Here are some of the things I learned.

1. Be consistant, take her out at the same time every day and stay outside until she goes. When she did "go" we would have a mini celebration full of YAYS and good girls.

2. I "Cheerio" trained, or as we call them "Good Girl treats", when she went outside she got a Cheerio (which she loves). I learned that Cheerios are only given for potty and not a special treat for anything else (that was rough).

3. The Crate is her "hangout" or her bedroom when we are gone. I never leave her in the crate for anylonger then 4 hours without taking her out of a potty break (when I am gone I have a dog walker come over and take her for a walk).

4. If I caught her going in the house I would pick her up, say "Outside" and take her out. Trust me she would stop the minute I picked her up and she would finish outside. This one confused me with the Cheerio reward but if she finished outside she got a Cheerio and all the praise.

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, the crate is Sophie Kates kingdom (or queendom), she now woulld never consider going in the crate unless she is sick (it has happened but it was a sign and I knew something was wrong).

I am sorry you are frustrated, I know the feeling and as you know it will get better but riding it out is trying at times.

Good Luck, I hope it works out for you.

My little girlie, Zhoie, is now 9 mos old and trained. Not to say there isn't an occasional accident and I'm sure there always will be an "OOPS". However, she came home at 12 wks from an excellent breeder who pre-pad trained. It was wonderful, then when she was 5 .5 mos she simply stopped using the pad for an entire day. Not one time, so the next day we started out fresh, took us her pad/frame, put it all way and started going outside for her business. She fell right into it and goes strickly outdoors now. Keep in mind, if we are in bed, she will whine if she needs to go out, but during the day, I must read what she is telling me......or who's mistake is it....mine. Do you have an area where you can try using only outdoors?

I am going to try the formula you received from the forum, I do well with instructions..lol..
Only thing is I cannot take him outside, we live on a MT. and so many animals roaming..the BIRDS (and I mean BIG birds like hawks and vultures) when I had him out on the deck this summer with his lil harness and leash, they were circling over head...NICE, huh?...NOT!..so outside is not something I feel comfortable with. So I use pee pads in a liter pan, that has a lil opening for him to be able to jump into.
He never went in his kennel before now every day...I have tried the seperator like the breeder had, that cuts kennel in half, but Shay chews on it..I have tried all sorts of materials, but am afraid he will get hurt chewing on wood, or the heavy plastic..may try steel, or whatever it is that is like the kennel...

chester took about 8 months and still will be a burger some times, dont give up on her. I know they can get frustrating, I have been there.

Just wanted to tell you that Joey didn't like the pee pads when I placed them on a small tray with a small lip, he was really fussy. I did have great success with washable pee pads, he took to them very easily. At first I placed him in the larger kennel for overnight, but he peed in it , so I placed him in a soft sided smaller kennel that was next the bed. I think night time training can be so helpful, because they can hold it longer, and you should place them on the pad, first thing in the morning, (or during the night, depending on their age). Don't allow them to walk to the pad, at first, carry them there. Dogs are creatures of habit, they like routine, so establishing a good routine is important. Those who don't have an x-pen just block off a bathroom or kitchen and place several pee pads, in addition to food and bedding and playthings. At first, most of the floor is covered and later on, you cover less and less until they are finding the pad themselves.

calculated thoughts
 

I have been working with a trainer and she said that dogs do not calculate.

OMG, This link is great!!! Thank you so much for sharing!!!:D

Don't give up on your little baby! Consistency is the key! They can't be expected to hold it all day in the kennel. When we were training Sophie, we kept her in a pen area with her kennel door open, her bed, and a pee pad. When we got home, we let her out of her pen area, brought her out each time she ate/drank. Now she very rarely uses the pee pad at all. Keep working with her!!!!

Don't feel bad. You are being honest. I sent you an email.

Wow after reading all your stories on training I sure am blessed.
It took me less than 6wks for Buddy to be fully trained. I knew nothing
about pee-pads but he was crated, with me coming home on my lunch
hour, 24mi round trip, for six weeks. He was 14wks when I got him so
at six months he was completly trained. When I was home I took him
out every 2-3hrs, weather he ate or not. If I saw him sniffing or walking
a circle I picked him up so fast and ran down the steps and outside.
Then did the poopy dance for all to see when he went outdoors:p
I did use a little piece of liverwurst as his treat and that was the only
time he got it immediately following going potty. A trainer told me to do this and it worked like a charm.
He loved that liverwurst but never saw it again once he was trained.:(
Has not had an accident in the house since, only when he had a stomach problem twice, and I'm gone 9hrs Mon-Fri. He's a big boy now at 5(16lbs) but has been able to hold it since he was 6lbs at 6mos. Don't give up, they really want to please you. I would follow the instructions on the site Nancy provided. That's pretty much what I did. Good luck to you. I know it must be so frustrating but hang in there once your baby "get's it"
she won't forget. It's so important to watch that body language and
get her out before she squats.

I have two dogs, two different breeds. My bigger dog has more accidents in the house then my yorkie. I would also think the one dog would get the clue from the other. But what do they know? lol

My girls are both 1 year old. We just moved in Sept to a new house and the first few weeks we had LOTS of accidents with both!. Keeping them confined to a crate while your out of the house and not able to give them your attention has HELPED SOOO much with my bigger dog.

With my yorkie, I usually have to go outside on the grass with her so she goes. She has been doing so great lately with the occasional poop in the house after she comes in. But I am thankful she is catching on. Frustration doesn't help I know this because I had a yorki poo who would not house break. I tried for almost 10 months and she would not train to go where I wanted to her, working and going to school I was forced to find her a new home. I regret it after terribly but guess what, a new house with someone home more and no kids and she caught on fast.


7 months is STILL young don't give up yet, push your self a little more, put her in a crate and take her out RIGHT away. When she goes, you have to cheer as loud as you can and reward her for going pee pee.

My moms girl turned 1 in Aug and she still has accidents often, my mom is like you sometimes she wants to throw her out the door but how can you when they love you so much :p