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GAOMariposa 10-13-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837890)
The male does not have to be smaller than the female. He can be larger, but 6 pounds difference is a big difference in little dogs. And also the fact that he is so far outside the standard is an issue.

That size is a big issue because As I stated before, oversize is one of the biggest reasons why yorkies end up in recuses.

It is true that you can get an oversized yorkie out of two standard sized parents which is why it is important to look back several generations.

Many breeders like to breed tiny males to 5 or 6 pound females in hope of getting the tiny puppies. Having the female larger means that she can carry and care for larger litters

Thank you for the info. That;s why I love this site. :D

megansmomma 10-13-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837890)
The male does not have to be smaller than the female. He can be larger, but 6 pounds difference is a big difference in little dogs. And also the fact that he is so far outside the standard is an issue.

That size is a big issue because As I stated before, oversize is one of the biggest reasons why yorkies end up in recuses.


It is true that you can get an oversized yorkie out of two standard sized parents which is why it is important to look back several generations.

Many breeders like to breed tiny males to 5 or 6 pound females in hope of getting the tiny puppies. Having the female larger means that she can carry and care for larger litters

Just wondering where you are getting this piece of information? :confused:

capt_noonie 10-13-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2837925)
Just wondering where you are getting this piece of information? :confused:

I think she means when people are sold a "teacup" and they get "too big" they don't want them anymore. :(

megansmomma 10-13-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 2837942)
I think she means when people are sold a "teacup" and they get "too big" they don't want them anymore. :(

It could mean a lot of things.........poor breeding habits, puppymills, not an informed consumer.

Here is a list of 10 reason from the ASPCA on why dogs are given up:

1. Moving — Dogs can handle change, especially if their owners make the change fun. But so many people leave pets behind at shelters when they move. That’s much more traumatic for dogs than riding two days in a car with their friend to a new home.

2. Landlord issues — If you rent, then you must get approval from your landlord to have a pet. Some people lie about these things and then when the landlord finds out they have a pet, they end up getting rid of the pet rather than moving.

3. Cost of pet maintenance — Pets are not cheap to care for. The average cost of caring for a dog is estimated at about $400 a year. That includes food, toys, vaccinations, and an annual visit to the vet. It cost a lot more if your dog gets sick or injured, has special dietary needs, or takes medication.

4. No time for pet — That’s a big excuse that rarely holds water for most shelters. What that means is that the family has gotten bored with caring for a pet.

5. Inadequate facilities — What this means is that the person doesn’t have a fenced in yard or outdoor space to house the dog. Why not bring the pet inside then? The dog was probably an indoor pet at first, but something happened, either with the dog or the dog’s family, and the decision was made to put the dog outside.

6. Too many pets in the home already — This usually is the case when dogs are not spayed or neutered. Sadly, people often take the oldest dog to the shelter because the family wants to keep the most newly acquired pet. Isn’t that sad?

7. Pet illness – All too often, people are forced to give up pets when they can’t afford to pay for veterinary care for a pet’s illness. I sympathize with people on this one, since there is no place for pet owners to turn right now to get help with medical expenses for their pets.

8. Personal problems — Divorce, job loss, major injury, foreclosure on your home are many of the personal reasons people give for giving up pets. This is tough because certainly if you can’t pay your own bills, it may be tough to care for a pet properly.

9. Biting — When a dog bites, he’s usually out of the house. Although I think it matters why he might have bitten someone or if the bite was a real bite or a snap. Dogs that snap are often warning people they are stepping over the line and need some training. Dogs that bite can be a problem.

10. No homes for littermates — Many people refuse to spay or neuter their dogs and the result is a few litters a year. While the pet owner may be able to find a home for one or two of the puppies, more often than not, the remaining littermates end up at the animal shelter.

WV~Yorkies 10-13-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rachel717 (Post 2835617)
I would like to stud my guy 1 time for pick of the litter. We have hosted a beautiful female for the past 3 days who is full into her cycle. They play well together, he is courting her properly and she is very receptive, until he moves into position. She is ready but as soon as he tries to get on she pulls out from under him. Her owner thinks it is because he is too big. They are the same physical size but she weighs 6 pounds and he weighs 12. He is not "fat" he is solid. If you looked at him you would never guess he is that heavy. Is he too big for her??

Yes he is to big for her.

JeanieK 10-13-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2837925)
Just wondering where you are getting this piece of information? :confused:

Do you have information to the contrary?

megansmomma 10-13-2009 07:16 PM

Here is a link the the YHR website of all of our adoptable pups:

Adoptable Pups


Truman is the biggest of all but he is not even a full yorkie. He's a mix so I would say he does not count. IMO

Name: Charlie Girl
Gender: Female
Age: 10
Weight: 3.8
Mammory tumors from breeding

Name: Chase
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 12
Hit by a car owners couldn't afford surgery

Despereaux
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Weight: 7.15
Breeder "discharge" when no longer needed

Name: Duncan
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 6.8
Stray, picked up and never claimed

Name: George
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Weight: 6
Grade 4 Luxating Patella severely neglected teeth

Name: Kirby
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 6.3
Potty training/marking

Name: Marty
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 7.1

Name: Callie
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Weight: 0
She is so new that she has no bio yet BUT from the picture she is adorable and SMALL!

Name: Katie
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Weight: 4.5
Poor breeding and huge medical issues.........too many to list

Name: Lexi
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Weight: 6
Mammary tumors from over breeding

Morgan
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Weight: 0
Brand new and no bio yet but also looks to be within the 5 to 7 lb range

Zoe
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Weight: 9
Missing any eye and over 10 teeth from lack of care in the breeding situation that she was formerly in. :(

Baby
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Weight: 8
After 18 yrs the owner moved and couldn't take her with :(

Chance
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 11
Mange, Heartworm positive~lack of care by previous owner

Name: Comet
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 10
Poked in eye and blinded

Name: Fiona
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Weight: 6
Mammary tumors heartworm positive

Name: Fonzie
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Weight: 8
Owner could not afford to fix his broken leg

Name: Gizmo
Gender: Male
Age: 8
Weight: 8.5 he's a little fatty ;)
Family had a baby and gave him up :(

Isabella
Gender: Female
Age: 6 months
Weight: 10.5
She's is going to be a big girl
Owner had medical issues and was not able to care for a new puppy and she was surrendered

Name: Ozzy
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Weight: 4.2
This little guy was used for breeding...........collapsed trachea, cysts of his eye and right side, BOTH hips were dilocated and replaced.

Name: Tommy
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 6.3


First, I would like you to take a look at all of the pups listed here. Just about every one is within the AKC standard for size other than Isabella :rolleyes:

Just about every one has a serious medical issue that should have been treated by their previous owners. Either they were not able to afford their care or care was just not given and they were used by a BYBer who was out to make a quick buck and did not care about their health let alone what types of genetic defects there were passing along to their off spring. Just because a Yorkie is within standard weight does not mean they should be breed.

This is the reason that we in rescue get so upset when we see people just slapping together any two dogs to make a litter of puppies to sell, give away, barter or trade.

I am not sure where this "idea" came from that all of the Yorkies in rescue are given up because they get "too big".........as you can see that is not the case at all. The majority of rescue Yorkies are just like the one's in the care of YHR right now. If you look at their bios what many of them have in common is that they were used and abused for breeding, with mammary tumors, neglected teeth, heartworm positive, hereditary medical issues passed on most likely to their offspring...........not that they are too large. :( They are the yorkies that are used by people that have no idea what they are doing when it comes to breeding. They are the reason that we come to threads like this one and beg people to not jump into breeding. There stories are repeated over and over.

So if I sounded to "harsh" it is because this is what I see when someone wants to help open a new "Yorkie farm"! :(

JeanieK 10-13-2009 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2837953)
It could mean a lot of things.........poor breeding habits, puppymills, not an informed consumer.

Here is a list of 10 reason from the ASPCA on why dogs are given up:

1. Moving — Dogs can handle change, especially if their owners make the change fun. But so many people leave pets behind at shelters when they move. That’s much more traumatic for dogs than riding two days in a car with their friend to a new home.

2. Landlord issues — If you rent, then you must get approval from your landlord to have a pet. Some people lie about these things and then when the landlord finds out they have a pet, they end up getting rid of the pet rather than moving.

3. Cost of pet maintenance — Pets are not cheap to care for. The average cost of caring for a dog is estimated at about $400 a year. That includes food, toys, vaccinations, and an annual visit to the vet. It cost a lot more if your dog gets sick or injured, has special dietary needs, or takes medication.

4. No time for pet — That’s a big excuse that rarely holds water for most shelters. What that means is that the family has gotten bored with caring for a pet.

5. Inadequate facilities — What this means is that the person doesn’t have a fenced in yard or outdoor space to house the dog. Why not bring the pet inside then? The dog was probably an indoor pet at first, but something happened, either with the dog or the dog’s family, and the decision was made to put the dog outside.

6. Too many pets in the home already — This usually is the case when dogs are not spayed or neutered. Sadly, people often take the oldest dog to the shelter because the family wants to keep the most newly acquired pet. Isn’t that sad?

7. Pet illness – All too often, people are forced to give up pets when they can’t afford to pay for veterinary care for a pet’s illness. I sympathize with people on this one, since there is no place for pet owners to turn right now to get help with medical expenses for their pets.

8. Personal problems — Divorce, job loss, major injury, foreclosure on your home are many of the personal reasons people give for giving up pets. This is tough because certainly if you can’t pay your own bills, it may be tough to care for a pet properly.

9. Biting — When a dog bites, he’s usually out of the house. Although I think it matters why he might have bitten someone or if the bite was a real bite or a snap. Dogs that snap are often warning people they are stepping over the line and need some training. Dogs that bite can be a problem.

10. No homes for littermates — Many people refuse to spay or neuter their dogs and the result is a few litters a year. While the pet owner may be able to find a home for one or two of the puppies, more often than not, the remaining littermates end up at the animal shelter.

I was not speaking of dogs in general. I was referring to yorkies specifically. People buy registered yorkies expecting a dog that does not exceed 7 pounds. When the dog grows to 12, 15 or more pounds, the owners are not happy, so they end up in shelters and rescues. And the owners look for a smaller dog.

Pure bred AKC registered yorkies do not fall into many of the above categories. Most people would not be willing to admit that they no longer want the dog because it got too big. So they give any of the above excuses.

megansmomma 10-13-2009 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2838043)
I was not speaking of dogs in general. I was referring to yorkies specifically. People buy registered yorkies expecting a dog that does not exceed 7 pounds. When the dog grows to 12, 15 or more pounds, the owners are not happy, so they end up in shelters and rescues. And the owners look for a smaller dog.

Pure bred AKC registered yorkies do not fall into many of the above categories. Most people would not be willing to admit that they no longer want the dog because it got too big. So they give any of the above excuses.

Did you take a look at the yorkies currently in the care of YHR ~the rescue that I volunteer with? Just about ever Yorkie that we have currently is a breeder cast off, poorly breed with serious medical issues. You might know breeding but I know rescue. I beg to differ with your opinion of rescues and why they are in rescue. Most if not all go back to poor breeding practices and having medical issues not size and weight. :confused:

JeanieK 10-13-2009 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2838032)
Here is a link the the YHR website of all of our adoptable pups:

Adoptable Pups


Truman is the biggest of all but he is not even a full yorkie. He's a mix so I would say he does not count. IMO

Name: Charlie Girl
Gender: Female
Age: 10
Weight: 3.8
Mammory tumors from breeding

Name: Chase
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 12
Hit by a car owners couldn't afford surgery

Despereaux
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Weight: 7.15
Breeder "discharge" when no longer needed

Name: Duncan
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 6.8
Stray, picked up and never claimed

Name: George
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Weight: 6
Grade 4 Luxating Patella severely neglected teeth

Name: Kirby
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 6.3
Potty training/marking

Name: Marty
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 7.1

Name: Callie
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Weight: 0
She is so new that she has no bio yet BUT from the picture she is adorable and SMALL!

Name: Katie
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Weight: 4.5
Poor breeding and huge medical issues.........too many to list

Name: Lexi
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Weight: 6
Mammary tumors from over breeding

Morgan
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Weight: 0
Brand new and no bio yet but also looks to be within the 5 to 7 lb range

Zoe
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Weight: 9
Missing any eye and over 10 teeth from lack of care in the breeding situation that she was formerly in. :(

Baby
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Weight: 8
After 18 yrs the owner moved and couldn't take her with :(

Chance
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 11
Mange, Heartworm positive~lack of care by previous owner

Name: Comet
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Weight: 10
Poked in eye and blinded

Name: Fiona
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Weight: 6
Mammary tumors heartworm positive

Name: Fonzie
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Weight: 8
Owner could not afford to fix his broken leg

Name: Gizmo
Gender: Male
Age: 8
Weight: 8.5 he's a little fatty ;)
Family had a baby and gave him up :(

Isabella
Gender: Female
Age: 6 months
Weight: 10.5
She's is going to be a big girl
Owner had medical issues and was not able to care for a new puppy and she was surrendered

Name: Ozzy
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Weight: 4.2
This little guy was used for breeding...........collapsed trachea, cysts of his eye and right side, BOTH hips were dilocated and replaced.

Name: Tommy
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Weight: 6.3


First, I would like you to take a look at all of the pups listed here. Just about every one is within the AKC standard for size other than Isabella :rolleyes:

Just about every one has a serious medical issue that should have been treated by their previous owners. Either they were not able to afford their care or care was just not given and they were used by a BYBer who was out to make a quick buck and did not care about their health let alone what types of genetic defects there were passing along to their off spring. Just because a Yorkie is within standard weight does not mean they should be breed.

This is the reason that we in rescue get so upset when we see people just slapping together any two dogs to make a litter of puppies to sell, give away, barter or trade.

I am not sure where this "idea" came from that all of the Yorkies in rescue are given up because they get "too big".........as you can see that is not the case at all. The majority of rescue Yorkies are just like the one's in the care of YHR right now. If you look at their bios what many of them have in common is that they were used and abused for breeding, with mammary tumors, neglected teeth, heartworm positive, hereditary medical issues passed on most likely to their offspring...........not that they are too large. :( They are the yorkies that are used by people that have no idea what they are doing when it comes to breeding. They are the reason that we come to threads like this one and beg people to not jump into breeding. There stories are repeated over and over.

So if I sounded to "harsh" it is because this is what I see when someone wants to help open a new "Yorkie farm"! :(

First of all, I never said that all yorkies surrendered were oversized.

Second this is not what this thread is about. It is about should she breed a 12 pound male to a 6 pound female

Third, we're on the same side of the fence here, so why are you arguing with me?

You didn't sound "harsh" to me. Just a wee bit out of the ballpark.
:confused::confused::confused:

To the OP I guess I was Wrong so go ahead and breed the two.

livingdustmops 10-13-2009 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2838022)
Do you have information to the contrary?

I didn't realize you had been involved with rescue....but I sure would like to know where you get your information from. Size has never been an issue with the rescue I was involved with...dog was never house trained, young people adopted and then had children - so no time for the dog, dog doesn't like kids and bites, dog got old, dog costs to much $$$ and the list could go on....all of my Yorkies are rescue with Bella only weighing 3#'s and the next one is 4#'s, Sassy is 5#'s, and two at 6#'s.

There is a thread on YT where everyone that has a rescue talks about their dogs and they are not ALL large...so unless you have facts please don't assume all rescue Yorkies are given up because they are large...

MauiGirl 10-13-2009 07:34 PM

And how about the ones given up because they were not housebroken.
(oops somebody mentioned that at the same time as me.)

jrsygal37 10-13-2009 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2838022)
Do you have information to the contrary?

I have five rescues. And NONE were given up due to size. From my experience in rescue what I find is that dogs in general (Not just Yorkies) are given up due to change of circumstances, such as a new baby, death of an owner and no one who wants to take the dog, move where they don't want to bring their pet with them for whater reason, impulse buy (someone buys a pup and realizes the responsibility) Potty Training, they cannot train the pup (Yorkies are notorious for taking a long time to train and people who are not famiiiar with the breed do not know this). Other reasons are age. You'd be surprised how many are dumped as seniors. I have not personally seen ANY dumped for being too big. I'm sure that some have but in my opinion and experience very few. I'm not sure who told you this or where you got your information from but I would research more deeply.

Mom to five rescues (none of which were given up due to their size)

Elaine.

livingdustmops 10-13-2009 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2838043)
I was not speaking of dogs in general. I was referring to yorkies specifically. People buy registered yorkies expecting a dog that does not exceed 7 pounds. When the dog grows to 12, 15 or more pounds, the owners are not happy, so they end up in shelters and rescues. And the owners look for a smaller dog.

Pure bred AKC registered yorkies do not fall into many of the above categories. Most people would not be willing to admit that they no longer want the dog because it got too big. So they give any of the above excuses.

Shaking my head...where do you get this from???

JeanieK 10-13-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2838054)
Did you take a look at the yorkies currently in the care of YHR ~the rescue that I volunteer with? Just about ever Yorkie that we have currently is a breeder cast off, poorly breed with serious medical issues. You might know breeding but I know rescue. I beg to differ with your opinion of rescues and why they are in rescue. Most if not all go back to poor breeding practices and having medical issues not size and weight. :confused:

Yup I just looked at the list.

So differ all you want, I still don't see why you are even addressing me. This is not my Thread and it is not the subject of this thread.

So I am just sitting here shaking my head in a state of confusion over your unwarranted rampage towards me.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

The OP has already left the building, which leaves you preaching to the choir..


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