This is what the AKC has to say:

What can a breeder do to properly socialize each pup? The starting point is for the litter to be raised within a home environment with frequent human contact, rather than secluded in the yard or a kennel. This is the first step in ensuring that the pups will be prepared for life in a household, with all the sounds, smells, and hustle-and-bustle that this entails.

Some breeders will move a litter from room to room on progressive weeks, to change the scene and familiarize the pups with such varied sounds as those of the dishwasher, television, and washer-dryer. Others like to situate the puppy pen near the home’s center of activity, so the pups are exposed to comings and goings and hear a variety of human voices.

American Kennel Club - AKC eNewsletter

While common sense tells you how many dogs you can care for, I have a problem with government dictating what I can do in my home, as long as my dogs are well cared for. But, maybe laws should be put place as to how many litters you can have , predicated on the number of pups, kind of like China telling how many children you can have.

now here is a person that sounds like they know what they are talking about to me :) i know nothing about breeding dogs, and i don't care to, but it sounds like this person has done their research and :thumbup::thumbup: for them!!

Debra,

You can look at it anyway you want to. But I am now going to add you and many more members here on my ignore list so I won't have to read anything you respond to.

The problem is that many people do not care for their pups properly. I totally agree with you about the government and numbers.
What bugs me is that when you have proof something is awry in a home and report it, nothing gets done!
I know of a hoarder who has been reported many times to no avail. The authorities all want what they call "first hand evidence". Because of the laws, they cannot go and look. Not sure what they mean by first hand evidence as much was given....I think they are just afraid to do anything because they are not backed by laws that protect animals.
The SPCA went there, but AFTER making an appointment to see the home (DUH)..

Ok, now it makes more sense. Thanks for that...and for your wisdom that has come with taking the time to learn:)

good information here!!:thumbup::thumbup:

I went to bed last night and woke up to, I don't know, maybe 5 more pages...yikes! Anyway, can't figure out why you would deter someone from giving valuable information away. You (or Rachel for that matter) can't dictate to Nancy what you would and would not like to read. There are many people interested in the subject of puppy mills and how it relates to registries. I haven't caught up with everything on this thread and I'm not sure I'm going to but I am sure I'm not the only one interested in the topic. It didn't come out of left field...Rachel included the registry in her original post...

YTCA Breeders are also bound by a Code of Ethics and Conduct that states pretty much the same thing.....

We all know that the system is broke.....and any time a law is put into place that they think will stop the Miller, Pet Stores, Wholesales Market and BYBers, the only thing it does is restrict the Reputable Breeder......They haven't realized that the aforementioned people have the finacial resoures to get around these laws....and all the law does is boost up the euthinization numbers.

I'm looking for a article that explains the Canadian System and it works......When and if I find it in my e-mails....I'll share. The sad thing is that it has been shared with local governments in the states....and they aren't buying it.

I truly believe that this thread has run it's course and stirred enough emotion's, but once long time standing members who want nothing more but to help and educate are being disrespected It's time to close the thread!
JMO

Since many of the respected members have been put onto someone ignore list we can no longer be disrespected for our informative posts. :p

FYI~there are 2 ways that a post can be closed. The OPer needs to PM administration with their request or if it has been decided that adm needs to step in and close it.

i don't think anyone has disrespected the older members! everyone has a right to say what they want to say and the same way that the older members have a right to share their knowledge and opinions, the newbie members have a right to say that they don't agree with the approach taken. it's all part of free speech. i'm not complaining anymore and i explained why i was upset to begin with, so i don't know why we are still having the battle of who can say what....

SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY!!! ;):note2::note:

only sing the line 36 times total and you have a John Mayer song! ;)



And i want to add that without SOME of the comments made my older posters, i woudn't have learned as much as i have either, there were plenty of great pieces of advice and information in this thread, i don't think it needs closing because it didn't get nearly as heated as others on this forum have in the past....thanks for the info guys!

Morning Rachel -- I might not have been as clear as I could have in my post. I was making two separate points. I started off with saying "I personally would not want to have more dogs than I could have in my home." This was not part of either of the proposed pieces of legislature I listed. This is just me with my dogs. I don't have large outdoor dogs, so I prefer to keep mine in my home where they can always be socialized and part of the family. I would feel entirely different with St. Bernards I am sure!

I went on to say, "But I know there are many outdoor kennel set ups that are humane and sanitary, where they let the dogs out for daily exercise and personal time with people. " and then listed the laws in the works that go along these lines.

I agree wholeheartedly, that they could not make a law saying all dogs had to be kept in the home. Some dogs would be abused by that treatment and need their outdoor space. Hope that clears up my previous post for you and -- look we are agreeing on topic again. ;)

If you have time, read the bills I mentioned and see if you could support them. If so, I have a post in the AnimalPrtection and Welfare forum that tells more how to help get them passed.

Yup we did agree!! :) i hope you aren't upset with me because i haven't been upset with any of your posts that i can think of so from my end we're still good with each other

i will have a look at those if i can find them.

LAWD ! that's like when they do DUI crackdowns and tell the whole city where the Po-Po checkpoints are going to be......or warrent roundups.... I can see the cops now -

Let's see...we can CALL FIRST to see if the criminal is home lol -

nice system......really nice

Hallelujah -- I love it! No need to censure, no need to close a thread. Read if you want, don't if you get upset. Let everyone feel free to post, agree or disagree, as long as they remain civil -- it's all good!

you have to love it doncha!! tell the criminals the plan so that they have enough time to choose whether they want to get caught or not...great world we live in isn't it!?

I am definitely interested in seeing it!

Yep......utterly amazing. The one investigator actually told me they made an appointment.
I have to say that I was flabbergasted.
What the heck kind of investigation is that?

OH DEAR! an appointment to arrest someone!? what are they thinking truly??

No...an appointment to check on the welfare of the animals on her property.

So then a good breeder would WANT to do this..so why so many that dont?

YOu gave me my first real good laugh of the day lol..thank i needed that

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I just wanted to point out that this isn't true. Our Petland's (and all pet stores) here in Canada (I live in BC too!) DO in fact get their puppies from puppy mills. What "good breeder" or even homebreeder would sell their puppies to a pet store? Our Petland's up here are the same deal as the ones in the states. We bought our pug dog from Pet Habitat @ Brentwood Mall in Burnaby, BC . She is suffering from several genetic defects, one of them being spondylosis. She can hardly walk anymore, and has no control of her bowel movements. I must carry her everywhere she needs to go. This poor dog has really had a life of suffering and will be PTS soon at the age of 8. Do you know where the pet store got her from that sold her to us? HUNTE CORPORATION, which is currently the largest puppy broker in the U.S. If you don't believe me you can watch the link which is an investigation by CBC News on March 6, 2009. The Pet Habitat that they are discussing in their broadcast is the one that I bought my pug from, and the investigation proves that both that store and PJ Pets get their puppies from HUNTE CORPORATION.

How Not to Buy a Puppy | CBC News: Marketplace

Do you know what makes me sick? The Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council of Canada (PIJAC) has their seal of approval on Pet Habitats website. They are interviewed in this news article and are pretty much turning a blind eye to the puppy mill problem. We bought our pug because we couldn't stand to watch her suffer the way she was in that store. We had no intentions of getting a pet at that time, and the PIJAC approves of this place? :mad: What is the Canadian government going to do to stop the sale of dogs from Hunte Corporation from crossing our borders? We have just as much of a problem up here in Canada with puppymills as the states do. Their Missouri puppy mill capital is our Quebec puppy mill capital (just google Quebec puppy mills, and you will see).

I'm sorry to bump such a contraversial thread, but I couldn't NOT correct this misinformation. It is SO important that Canadians know that we have as much of a problem with puppy mills here as anywhere else. Please DO NOT support Petland, Pet Habitat, or PJ Pets by making purchases at these stores.

With hundreds of thousands of dogs born into puppy mills each year, Canada has become a haven for the puppy mill industry—and for unimaginable cruelty against our best friends.



Each year millions of Canadian companion animals are destroyed due to the greed of commercial puppy mills, the ignorance of back yard breeders and irresponsible pet owners. New laws, public awareness & compassion will end the suffering of the voiceless. Please help the animals.







CanadaNoPuppyMills.com

Puppy Mills | Humane Society International

No Puppy Mills Canada

CFHS | Puppy mills

Thanks for reading! :)

thanks lilmissy for all that wonderful information, i'm ok with bumping the thread as long as there is quality information coming up!! :)

i don't understand why governments do not close pet stores and make them all adoption only facilities like petsmarts or petcos, they don't sell the animals they bring in shelters from all over the area to display the animals often and send them home with loving families ready to take on a rescue animal.

selling a puppy in a window for $1000 with supposed AKC registration papers isn't anymore responsible than selling them for $400 with APRI papers. it's disgusting that those babies are cooped up with each other in tiny windows and bothered by thousands of new people every day...i would never buy from a pet store...think of all the germs and things those puppies are exposed to from all those people playing with them and the other little puppies around them...they are way too young to be fully vaccinated and most are way too young to leave their mommys...(I did take that advice and store it away after all :)) i just think it's sad how they are treated in pet stores and yet governments have never passed legislation to close the animal selling part of pet stores.

Over a $94 Billion Dollar Industry...Lobbyists....Do you really think the government is just going to change this? It is up to US (you and me) to get the laws changed. Please go to Prisoners of Greed and see what you can do to help make the change. Just saying poor puppy is not going to do that.

The Petlands here refer to their puppies as "yorshire terrier TYPE" because they aren't able to have the puppies registered, so they must refer to them as "type". The price....$1200+ :thumbdown They will refuse to give you ANY information about where their puppies come from either. Any person dealing with a responsible breeder should be able to show you the paper work without you purchasing a puppy. They even go as far as to post signs in their stores stating that their puppies come from responsible breeders. YEAH RIGHT! :mad: I won't even buy a bullystick from there, it makes me so angry.

We dont have a petland but have an Uncle bills petstore and they say the same thing that their puppies come from breeders but I believe they come from puppymills. I dont buy anything in that store and its too bad for them because I buy alot of fish supplies